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Jaclem wrote:just studied the tape again...and the interval may have been even longer than anyone says here. if you look closely you'll see that at the knockdown cooper is clean shaven, but when he comes out for the next round, he has at least a five o'clock shadow..maybe even a stubble.

terap wrote:" He got up and calmly walked to his corner. He DID NOT look wobbly or hurt. "

Of course.

And the Atlantic Ocean is made out of grapefruit juice.

He did not wobble in any way, shape or form as he walked back to his corner. Have you watched the film recently? Or is this just your memory from years ago?

::The Ali salesman lie---brazenly.::

When was the last time you saw film of the fight? Can you describe how he "wobbled" as he went back to his corner? Did he lurch to his right or left? It seems pretty clear that he got up and walked straight back to his corner.

::They say Joe Frazier never beat Ali.::

I have never heard anyone say that Frazier did not beat Ali.

::Is your copy of the film doctored by Angelo Dundee or Ferdie Pacheco---or any other former Ali employees or shills?::

No.

::Are you sure he didn't do a triple somersault and stand on one hand as he made it back to his corner?::

Yes.

I answered your questions, now why don't you answer mine?

Remember Ali "then Clay"was a young guy at that point, but the bottom line is he won the fight......

terap wrote:Shirley Povich, longtime sports writer for the Washington Post,

covered the Dempsey-Tunney "long count" fight at ringside.

His very lengthy report on the fight taking up several pages in the next day's paper,

contains no mention of a long count.

He does mention that Tunney was "down" in the 7th round,

but not a word about a long count.

That's great. When you have no argument about the actual fight, you just talk about something completely unrelated.

terap wrote:Marciano-Frazier----

It is obvious that you lack the mentality to understand what I am writing about in many of my posts.

Stinking up thread after thread displaying your "problem" accomplishes nothing.

"It is obvious that you lack the mentality to understand what I am writing about in many of my posts."
It is obvious you lack the mentality to pay attention to anything anyone else says, besides skimming over the post and then saying "You are stupid. Go away. You can accomplish nothing, ever, especially if you ever say anything that isn't negative about Muhammad Ali."
I understood you were trying to indicate that commentators on radio broadcasts can't be trusted, but that was in an entirely unrelated fight to the one we were discussing, and has nothing to do with whether the radio broadcast can be trusted or not on an entirely different fight that happened 40 years later, and considering that the long count incident is much different from the Ali-Cooper controversy. Obviously if the commentators weren't sitting there looking at clocks and counting down the seconds that Tunney was down, they wouldn't know the difference of about 5 seconds, beyond the fact that the ref struggled to get Dempsey to go to a neutral corner, delaying the count momentarily, also considering that many counts go longer than ordinary ones- this was just an especially exaggerated break. If they had gone 4 or 5 full minutes between rounds, it would've been on the broadcast. There's no way they wouldn't notice a break 4 or 5 times longer than an ordinary one and not report it. The break between rounds 4 and 5 in Ali-Cooper I was only about 5-10 seconds longer than an ordinary break, much like the extra time Tunney got in the knockdown. A break insignificant enough they don't have to bring it up in the telecast. Of course, the controversy would come up later, but these were just a few guys with no time to study tape or know that this would become a long-standing controversy. Your example is very weak. It's just completely different from what would've happened in a 4-5 minute break between rounds.