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As far as HW's are concerned, outside of Marciano, here's a short list:

Brian Nielsen, went 49-0 before losing to Dicky Ryan

Don Steele, went 41-0-0 with 1 NC before losing to above mentioned Brian Nielsen

Lou Savarese, went 36-0-0 before losing to George Foreman

George Foreman, went 40-0-0 before losing to Muhammad Ali

Muhammad Ali, went 31-0-0 before losing to Joe Frazier

Joe Frazier, went 29-0-0 before losing to George Foreman

John L. Sullivan, went 38-0-1 before losing to James J. Corbett*

Larry Holmes, went 48-0-0 before losing to Michael Spinks

Michael Spinks, went 31-0-0 before losing to Mike Tyson

Mike Tyson, went 37-0-0 before losing to Buster Douglas

Nicolai Valuev, went 46-0-0 with 1 NC before losing to Ruslan Chagaev

Ruslan Chagaev, is currently 25-0-0

Jem Mace, while BoxRec gives him a record of 1-1-0 with 27 NC's and/or ND's, Mace was undefeated from 1863-1890. True, he had losses before that time period, but his streak is the longest I have ever seen.

*If you dont count the vast number of exhibitions Sullivan had during his reigns as the American/World bare knuckle and gloved champion

HomicideHenry wrote: Brian Nielsen, went 49-0 before losing to Dicky Ryan

Don Steele, went 41-0-0 with 1 NC before losing to above mentioned Brian Nielsen

Two incredibly padded records with Nielsen's having some seriously fixed fights. Ive got a bunch of Nielsen fights on tape and lets just say they do things kind of funny over there. Hell, his loss to Ryan is an amazing case in point. He gets knocked out, dragged back to his stool, revived (sort of, he was suffering from some sort illness), and literally pushed off his stool and forced to go back out and fight, at which point he is dropped again and in such agony from his sickness that he tries to roll out of the ring but is comically pushed back in half concious to keep fighting. I have no doubt that had he died in the ring they would have tried to connect marionette strings to him in order to make his dead body finish the fight and win a gift decision.

I have heard the stories on Nielsen. Same for Steele. Let's not forget Butterbean, as he went 15-0-0 before losing to Mitch Rose, and then went had a no losing streak from 1996-2001, going 48-0-2. Sure the opposition was shit, but then again, so was Rose. How many were following a script? Who knows, only one (James Baker) ever admitted to taking a dive against The Bean.

Anyone who wants a hell of a laugh needs to get ahold of Neilson-Ryan. Its up there with Pettway's KO of Simon Brown.

klompton wrote:

HomicideHenry wrote: Brian Nielsen, went 49-0 before losing to Dicky Ryan

Don Steele, went 41-0-0 with 1 NC before losing to above mentioned Brian Nielsen

Two incredibly padded records with Nielsen's having some seriously fixed fights. Ive got a bunch of Nielsen fights on tape and lets just say they do things kind of funny over there. Hell, his loss to Ryan is an amazing case in point. He gets knocked out, dragged back to his stool, revived (sort of, he was suffering from some sort illness), and literally pushed off his stool and forced to go back out and fight, at which point he is dropped again and in such agony from his sickness that he tries to roll out of the ring but is comically pushed back in half concious to keep fighting. I have no doubt that had he died in the ring they would have tried to connect marionette strings to him in order to make his dead body finish the fight and win a gift decision.

Yeah, there is something rotten in the state of Denmark.

In that fight the ref was actually holding Super Brian up at one point. Funny stuff.

There was another strange one around that time on one of those Palle cards. It was a local with an unbeaten padded record fighting an 'opponent' who obviously hadn't read or had forgotten the script and was giving the local hero a bit of an ass-whipping. In between one of the rounds you can see one of the Dane's cornermen has come around to the opponents cornermen and was gesticulating and carrying on. The next round the import suddenly seemed to lose heart and let the local "overwhelm" him. It's amazing how a few hundred dollars in an envelope can alter your outlook...

HomicideHenry wrote:I have heard the stories on Nielsen. Same for Steele. Let's not forget Butterbean, as he went 15-0-0 before losing to Mitch Rose, and then went had a no losing streak from 1996-2001, going 48-0-2. Sure the opposition was shit, but then again, so was Rose. How many were following a script? Who knows, only one (James Baker) ever admitted to taking a dive against The Bean.

Rose actually had an amateur background and gave Esch a good beating.

Eric went back to complete novices after that.

My2Sense wrote:

Martin Sosa Cameron wrote:- 103*Jimmy Wilde (1910-1923)
- 94 Fred Dyer (1908-1912)
- 93 Pedro Carrasco (1964-1972)
- 90*Julio Cesar Chavez (1980-1994)
- 89 Bob Cunningham (1885-1892)
- 87*Jaime Gine 87 (1954-1960)
- 80**Carlos Monzón (1964-1977)
- 76 Ansel Bell (1914-1923)
- 73 Duilio Loi (1952-1960)
- 72***Jimmy Barry 72 (1891-1899)
- 71 Nonpareil Jack Dempsey (1883-1889)

(*) Opening his career
(**) Until the end of his career
(***) All his career

There should be a * next to Wilde's name as well, correct?

Dear My2Sense,

Excellent! Exact observation! You're right! I corrected this fact

Thanks you very much!

Collins2000 wrote:

HomicideHenry wrote:I have heard the stories on Nielsen. Same for Steele. Let's not forget Butterbean, as he went 15-0-0 before losing to Mitch Rose, and then went had a no losing streak from 1996-2001, going 48-0-2. Sure the opposition was shit, but then again, so was Rose. How many were following a script? Who knows, only one (James Baker) ever admitted to taking a dive against The Bean.

Rose actually had an amateur background and gave Esch a good beating.

Eric went back to complete novices after that.

Judging by his record you wouldn't think Rose was shit. He was only 1-7-1 (1) when he fought Esch.

Collins2000 wrote:

klompton wrote:

HomicideHenry wrote: Brian Nielsen, went 49-0 before losing to Dicky Ryan

Don Steele, went 41-0-0 with 1 NC before losing to above mentioned Brian Nielsen

Two incredibly padded records with Nielsen's having some seriously fixed fights. Ive got a bunch of Nielsen fights on tape and lets just say they do things kind of funny over there. Hell, his loss to Ryan is an amazing case in point. He gets knocked out, dragged back to his stool, revived (sort of, he was suffering from some sort illness), and literally pushed off his stool and forced to go back out and fight, at which point he is dropped again and in such agony from his sickness that he tries to roll out of the ring but is comically pushed back in half concious to keep fighting. I have no doubt that had he died in the ring they would have tried to connect marionette strings to him in order to make his dead body finish the fight and win a gift decision.

Yeah, there is something rotten in the state of Denmark.

In that fight the ref was actually holding Super Brian up at one point. Funny stuff.

There was another strange one around that time on one of those Palle cards. It was a local with an unbeaten padded record fighting an 'opponent' who obviously hadn't read or had forgotten the script and was giving the local hero a bit of an ass-whipping. In between one of the rounds you can see one of the Dane's cornermen has come around to the opponents cornermen and was gesticulating and carrying on. The next round the import suddenly seemed to lose heart and let the local "overwhelm" him. It's amazing how a few hundred dollars in an envelope can alter your outlook...

Yeah, another fight like that was Allan Vester vs. Emanuel Augustus/Burton. I believe Vester was a Palle fighter also, but regardless Augustus was doing his usual thing and you could tell he could have easily beaten Vester but the ref kept warning him for everything under the sun. Finally in the last round Vester throws a volley of very weak punches that Emmanuel half slips while pulling way back to negate their power. You can see they have the force of taps when they land but Augustus literally lays back stretched out on the canvas in one of the worst acting jobs Ive ever seen, meanwhile the commentators are going apeshit like its the most impressive KO in history. Clearly boxing in that country is not the sport it is in the western hemisphere, it seems more like professional wrestling.

The fakest fight I ever seen was Tommy Morrison vs Corey Williams. Then after that, I would say the next runner up was Mickey Rourke vs Darrell Miller. The kayo I believe came from a body slap.

HomicideHenry wrote:

Collins2000 wrote:

HomicideHenry wrote:I have heard the stories on Nielsen. Same for Steele. Let's not forget Butterbean, as he went 15-0-0 before losing to Mitch Rose, and then went had a no losing streak from 1996-2001, going 48-0-2. Sure the opposition was shit, but then again, so was Rose. How many were following a script? Who knows, only one (James Baker) ever admitted to taking a dive against The Bean.

Rose actually had an amateur background and gave Esch a good beating.

Eric went back to complete novices after that.

Judging by his record you wouldn't think Rose was shit. He was only 1-7-1 (1) when he fought Esch.

He had been fighting in the amateurs in the big apple with some success. OK, he failed as a pro. But unlike most of the others Esch fought he was a guy who had some decent experience behind him.

Or are you saying I'm wrong about this, Rufus?

It's no secret that anyone who was durable and who could use a jab would beat Esch. So no you are not wrong, in a sense.

HomicideHenry wrote:It's no secret that anyone who was durable and who could use a jab would beat Esch. So no you are not wrong, in a sense.

I'm so relieved, Rufus.

Martin Sosa Cameron wrote: 103* Jimmy Wilde (1910-1923)
- 94 Fred Dyer (1908-1912)
- 93 Pedro Carrasco (1964-1972)
- 90*Julio Cesar Chavez (1980-1994)
- 89 Bob Cunningham (1885-1892)
- 87*Jaime Gine 87 (1954-1960)
- 80**Carlos Monzón (1964-1977)
- 76 Ansel Bell (1914-1923)
- 73 Duilio Loi (1952-1960)
- 72***Jimmy Barry 72 (1891-1899)
- 71 Nonpareil Jack Dempsey (1883-1889)

(*) Opening his career
(**) Until the end of his career
(***) All his career

Thanks to My2Sense, who signed Jimmy Wilde haven't his unbeaten record from the opening of his pro career

Between his losses to Robert Wangila June 12, 1989 to his loss to Kevin Pompey in November 11, 1992 BUCK SMITH had a 107 fight unbeaten streak.

pringle wrote:

Martin Sosa Cameron wrote: 103* Jimmy Wilde (1910-1923)
- 94 Fred Dyer (1908-1912)
- 93 Pedro Carrasco (1964-1972)
- 90*Julio Cesar Chavez (1980-1994)
- 89 Bob Cunningham (1885-1892)
- 87*Jaime Gine 87 (1954-1960)
- 80**Carlos Monzón (1964-1977)
- 76 Ansel Bell (1914-1923)
- 73 Duilio Loi (1952-1960)
- 72***Jimmy Barry 72 (1891-1899)
- 71 Nonpareil Jack Dempsey (1883-1889)

(*) Opening his career
(**) Until the end of his career
(***) All his career

Thanks to My2Sense, who signed Jimmy Wilde haven't his unbeaten record from the opening of his pro career

Between his losses to Robert Wangila June 12, 1989 to his loss to Kevin Pompey in November 11, 1992 BUCK SMITH had a 107 fight unbeaten streak.

Jim Brady's boxing confidential book details some of Buck Smith's opponents, sometimes they'd ben the same guy 3 or 4 times boxing under assumed names. Though to be fair Smith could fight, he came over here and knocked Kirkland Laing out.

Just like Rocky supposedly "lost" a pro bout under an assumed name and went back to the amateurs for another year.

Please get your information correct. Rocky "WON" a pro bout under a assumed name rocky Mack over Lee Epperson. Rocky did go back to the amatuers and lose, but he NEVER lost in the pros.

Hal Bagwell 183
1938 - 1948

Packey McFarland 97
1905 - 1915

Fred Dyer 94
1908 - 1912

Pedro Carrasco 93
1964 - 1971

Jimmy Wilde 92
1910 - 1920

Sugar Ray Robinson 91
1943 - 1951

Julio Cesar Chavez 90
1980 - 1994

klompton wrote:Like I said, I was quoting from memory so Im not 100% certain. That being said J. J. is one of the most knowledgeable boxing historians Ive ever had the pleasure of speaking with. I dont know what mistakes you are referring to and I dont pretend to be an expert on Jimmy Barry but I can say that J. J. grew up in Chicago where he boxed as an amateur, training in Johnny Coulon's gym. He knew a lot of those old timers and much of his knowledge is first hand. Hes forgotten more about boxing history than most of today's supposed experts will ever know. Guys like Bert Sugar, Herb Goldman, and Max Kellerman get their faces on TV and their names attached to books constantly but it guys like J. J. who really know the sport.

Wow! Just think how knowledgeable he would be if he hadn't forgotten so much!

I cant belife no one has mentioned Sugar Ray Robinson who was undefeated in 91 bouts between 1943 - 1951, this was not the stary of his carer but deserves a mention

CERDAN only lost 4 fights in his career, 2 definate robberies to Harry Craster here in England and another to Delanoit, which he immediately reversed and then the "injury" loss to LaMotta - thats only 1 true defeat in 110 bouts.

Giving Cerdan the win over Craster would have placed him at 70 straight victories before his first ligitimate loss to Victor Buttin.

a great and impressive career anyway you slice it.

If not for an absolutely horrendous decision and interference from a referee in South Korea, Nino Benvenuti would have gone 73-0.