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Datsue wrote:Pacquiao was great, no doubt there.

But I am getting somewhat disturbed by the canonising of Manny that's started to go on here, because Hatton ran straight in to him with his head static & hands down by his nipples. Ricky essentially offered him first, second & thirds at twatting him on the chin. It was like hitting a heavy bag.

People are running around screaming that because David Diaz lasted seven more rounds before getting flattened, Pac has improved vastly in the last ten months. This I feel is patently ridiculous. The reason Diaz lasted that much longer was that he had his hands up & his chin down & didn't recklessly storm after Pac-man looking to "prove" something from the opening bell.

I'll get in now -- PBF will beat Manny, & I'd favour JMM again (or again again, if you prefer) to nick their next meeting on points. Great fighter & typically great performance but I saw absolutely nothing new from him.

PBF is not HATTON.
PBF would win on points.

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stujones wrote:So far the majority of the comments on here have been aimed at Hatton. This is unsurprising as it is a British forum. However, I think no matter if you think Hatton is shot since Tszyu, if him leaving Warren affected him, if Ray Hatton is an idiot, Billy Graham should not have been sacked etc etc etc.

Why the excuses, lets just say WOW - the was mighty mighty impressive Manny Pacquiao.

Its just a shame that he doesn't seem to get the credit from his two biggest wins. The lack of credit for the DLH fight was somewhat justified, but it was punch perfect. This was, sorry I think Pacquiao is just too damn good for Ricky... any Ricky, at any time.

Pacman is elite and Hatton is not.

spot on.i have said pacman would would win .even roach predicted that pacman would beat hatton in 3 rounds .good predication. even said the khan would beat MAB. did that.i wonder what he will predicate next for khan.?

stujones wrote:I just remember a the Hatton vs Mayweather 24/7 documentary and Oscar talking to Ricky, and describing the way to beat Floyd and he actually said the words its not hard to figure out and even "its easy".

Whilst Floyd made DLH look silly at times with his defensive work, DLH through his superior (compared to Ricky) skill, jab, workrate and speed dominated the cards early on. Pacquiao will sustain it for 12 rounds. Floyd has a habit of looking amazing defencively, but not "making them pay" with offensive work, and he came within a whisker of losing to DLH. Now, an important factor to consider is weight..... was Mayweather not at his best vs DLH at 154.

Also, look at the two's last opponents, against the same two fighters.... massive difference in their results. Okay, DLH certainly wasn't the same fighter at 147, but Ricky was back at his best weight.

Floyd didn't really let his hands go a whole lot against Haton either. I couldn't definitely see a scenario where Pacquiao simply outworks Floyd.

The biggest thing for me though is the fight actually being made in the first place. I don't really see it happening with Floyd's history with Bob Arum and his financial demands.

I think Pacquiao is gonna face Cotto next or maybe a rubber match with Marquez if he beats Floyd (I hope he does).

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:Pacman is 1 of the greatest of all times. No ones ever gone 112-140lbs before, I'm not sure many have gone up in weight to destroy a linear champ so fast, especially when it makes him a 6 weight champ, amazing. I really don't think he gets his due for what he did to DLH either, Oscar wasnt as far gone as they're saying imo.

I reckon Pacman beats the slower Cotto too, Berto is probably too open for him, Mayweather will likely outbox him, Mosley would probably be too big for him, Williams and Clottey both too big really. Pity there aren't many big fights for him at 140

Looks like Mayweather-Pacquaio and I reckon it'll be a 144 or 142 catch weight, Roach is going to make FMJ come down

A brilliant analysis.

And all true.

Pacquiao goes beyond the elite of his time. He's awesome. I really think, if Mayweather comes down, that Pacquiao might have a chance.

so raising above the usual purile ante hatton shite by ther same old knobheads (i thiought this was a thread bout pac) what have we learned...id say

De la hoya wasnt as shot as we thought

Hatton was more shot than we thought / or less skilled... whatever.

Manny pac is better than we thought.

Awesome performance and one I applauded til he left the ring.

Can defintiley see pac giving PBF fits. WHAT A FIGHTER.

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:Pacman is 1 of the greatest of all times. No ones ever gone 112-140lbs before, I'm not sure many have gone up in weight to destroy a linear champ so fast, especially when it makes him a 6 weight champ, amazing. I really don't think he gets his due for what he did to DLH either, Oscar wasnt as far gone as they're saying imo.

I reckon Pacman beats the slower Cotto too, Berto is probably too open for him, Mayweather will likely outbox him, Mosley would probably be too big for him, Williams and Clottey both too big really. Pity there aren't many big fights for him at 140

Looks like Mayweather-Pacquaio and I reckon it'll be a 144 or 142 catch weight, Roach is going to make FMJ come down

i agree, he's an awesome fighter.

i think some of these asian fighters drag off way too much weight to have a size or power advantage, but for pacquiao to win at world level all the way up to light welter and welter is pretty impressive

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:Pacman is 1 of the greatest of all times. No ones ever gone 112-140lbs before, I'm not sure many have gone up in weight to destroy a linear champ so fast, especially when it makes him a 6 weight champ, amazing. I really don't think he gets his due for what he did to DLH either, Oscar wasnt as far gone as they're saying imo.

I reckon Pacman beats the slower Cotto too, Berto is probably too open for him, Mayweather will likely outbox him, Mosley would probably be too big for him, Williams and Clottey both too big really. Pity there aren't many big fights for him at 140

Looks like Mayweather-Pacquaio and I reckon it'll be a 144 or 142 catch weight, Roach is going to make FMJ come down

I also think Roach will try to negotiate in terms of the weight. However, a big stumbling block could be the purses for the bout. Manny was quite stubborn in negotiations for De La Hoya & Hatton. If Manny thinks he's going to get a much larger purse than Floyd then he is dreaming. Mayweather would simply not accept those terms!

Interesting to see how negotiations pan-out if & when they start!

Manny Pacquiao is a fantastic fighter, great fighting spirit and speed to burn, but Mayweather is better in my opinion.

If they fought at 147 then Floyd would have far too many advantages.

There is a limit to who Pacquiao can beat at higher weights and Mayweather is one of them. Ok Mayweather has maybe avoided some fights in the past, but the fact remains that he is a defensive genius who knows how to win fights.

I think Williams and Cotto (and Mosley based on that last performance) all have a better chance against Mayweather than Pacman.

I am not that convinced about Pacmans power at the higher weights, despite that great shot he threw against Hatton. I think the Diaz and De La Hoya fights showed that his power can be handled at the higher weights.

Question is how does Manny react when a Cotto/Mayweather right hand starts landing flush?

I think he is utterly amazing, but there are limits to what he can do at Welterweight/light Welter.

I would say that Pac has done considerably more than Floyd. But that Floyd would have the advantage certainly at 147.

Manny Pacquiao.