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SteveO wrote:Good question Pringle :-)
Nikolai Valuev might join your list soon - if he defeats Chagaev in the rematch.

SteveO wrote:No, I definitely back you up and agree that they are indeed 'Amazing Feats', surely nobody can deny that......can they?

witherspoon wrote:With all due respect, i can't see how that is an amazing feat.
On two occasions Bowe was saved from almost certain defeat by pure madness, and he never fought Lewis.
(I favour Bowe if that match ever came off).
I can't take anything away from Tunney or Marciano, but 49-0 obviously does not need qualification and there's alot more to Gene Tunney than 'the man who beat Dempsey'.
I do believe that Tunney, Lewis and Bowe are often undervalued in comparison to Ali, Louis, Holmes and Tyson (as far as the masses are concerned)*.
And if the motive behind your drawing attention to this little appreciated fact of record is to afford this quartet more recognition, then i commend you wholeheartedly.

*Marciano claims the ultimate in amazing feats by being overrated and underrated by exactly the same proportion of boxing followers

EDIT - I see it has been pointed out that Tunney falls short, but that is my point - it makes him no less a fighter in my eyes.

witherspoon wrote:I do, and I see I am not the only one who recognized the danger of allowing Valuev a back door claim to statistical greatness.

pringle wrote:I'm not sure where you got your information BroughtonRulesRefuge but Jr. Middleweight never-a-champ Tony Ayala Jr. got KO'd twice and never rematched Bonsante or Campas... nice job on the research Einstein.

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hu ... &cat=boxer

pringle wrote:Other interesting (or not) trivia: Tyson is undefeated against undefeateds and all his KO losses were to guys who were previously KO'd.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:you missed ingemar johansson

BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:you missed ingemar johansson

- Yeah, he also missed Carlos Monzon, Jimmy Barry, Terry Marsh, Too Tall Jones, Joe Calzaghe, Spaddy, Tony Ayala, Ike, Ingo, and too many fighters to count.

Poor guy botched the question, he did.

BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:

pringle wrote:I'm not sure where you got your information BB49 but Jr. Middleweight never-a-champ Tony Ayala Jr. got KO'd twice and never rematched Bonsante or Campas... nice job on the research Einstein.

- Yeah, but he retired undefeated as did Jeffries. So what if they come back 6 yrs or 15 yrs later? Ike also undefeated as is Joe Mesi who can't get sanctioned for big fights.

Yeah, you botched the question by including Bowe who was stripped after disgracing his WBC and WBO titles and not fighting his mandatories and he never regained the IBF/WBA titles he lost in the ring. He was beltless and disgraced when he retired as he was throughout his career.

Is this supposed to be some kind of accomplishment by Big Dummy?

Hookie74 wrote: Damn, you can never admit when you're wrong.

BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:

Hookie74 wrote: Damn, you can never admit when you're wrong.

- Sweet Mother of Hera, I wasn't wrong for weeding out Big Dummy from that grouping.

Big Dummy should've been DQed against Tillery who could've sued the shorts off his thug/manager Newman. He was handed a unified title which he promptly blew apart and he never regained a single belt he lost, 5 in total if we count the bogus lineal title everyone fills their shorts over. He never even tried.

Joe Mesi was boxrec #1 contender and a mandatory and not allowed to fight for a title. He did more to prove himself than did Big Dummy who's team lucked into a smallish champion who was looking weak from his first defense forward.

Hookie74 wrote:

BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:

pringle wrote:I'm not sure where you got your information BB49 but Jr. Middleweight never-a-champ Tony Ayala Jr. got KO'd twice and never rematched Bonsante or Campas... nice job on the research Einstein.

- Yeah, but he retired undefeated as did Jeffries. So what if they come back 6 yrs or 15 yrs later? Ike also undefeated as is Joe Mesi who can't get sanctioned for big fights.

Yeah, you botched the question by including Bowe who was stripped after disgracing his WBC and WBO titles and not fighting his mandatories and he never regained the IBF/WBA titles he lost in the ring. He was beltless and disgraced when he retired as he was throughout his career.

Is this supposed to be some kind of accomplishment by Big Dummy?

Damn, you can never admit when you're wrong. Jeffries came back and lost... doesn't matter if it was 100 years after he retired as champ. Ike and Mesi were never World champs. We are talking about HW champs who beat every fighter they faced at some point in their careers (or in Tunney's case at least drew with).

Tunney, Marciano, Johansson, and Bowe were all "true" HW champs. Chagaev is a WBA champ. Those are the guys... that's it!

pringle wrote:but Tunny, Marciano, Bowe and Lewis did accomplish this milestone.

Speaking strictly of heavyweight Champions and their professional records:

All time greats Muhammad Ali, Larry Holmes, Joe Louis and Mike Tyson couldn't accomplish this amazing feat in the ring.
However; Gene Tunny, Rocky Marciano, Riddick Bowe and Lennox Lewis did accomplish this milestone.

What is it?

harrygreb wrote:I'LL TELL YOU ABOUT AMAZING FEATS! MINE! I HAVE GOT ONE SIZED 9 AND THE OTHER IS A 12

BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:

Hookie74 wrote: Damn, you can never admit when you're wrong.

- Sweet Mother of Hera, I wasn't wrong for weeding out Big Dummy from that grouping.

Big Dummy should've been DQed against Tillery who could've sued the shorts off his thug/manager Newman. He was handed a unified title which he promptly blew apart and he never regained a single belt he lost, 5 in total if we count the bogus lineal title everyone fills their shorts over. He never even tried.

Joe Mesi was boxrec #1 contender and a mandatory and not allowed to fight for a title. He did more to prove himself than did Big Dummy who's team lucked into a smallish champion who was looking weak from his first defense forward.