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bennie wrote:McGuigans's non-stop pressure (you guys forget what an incredible pace he set and maintained), thumping left jab (like a right hand) and solid chin would have made life too difficult for the punch-picking, heavy handed Naz. Hamed was probably quicker but McGuigan just kept driving forward and punching - hard. Plus, he was a huge featherweight, much bigger and stronger than Naz, much busier.
McGuigan was the best featherweight in the world long before he licked the great Eusebio Pedroza for the WBA title in 1985. He also licked men of the calibre of unbeaten Bernard Taylor and Juan Laporte (who nearly beat Julio Cesar Chavez). Who did Naz beat? Steve Robinson, Manuel Medina and a fading Tom Johnson.
Naz doth protest too much in this clip, methinks.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

bennie wrote:McGuigans's non-stop pressure (you guys forget what an incredible pace he set and maintained), thumping left jab (like a right hand) and solid chin would have made life too difficult for the punch-picking, heavy handed Naz. Hamed was probably quicker but McGuigan just kept driving forward and punching - hard. Plus, he was a huge featherweight, much bigger and stronger than Naz, much busier.
McGuigan was the best featherweight in the world long before he licked the great Eusebio Pedroza for the WBA title in 1985. He also licked men of the calibre of unbeaten Bernard Taylor and Juan Laporte (who nearly beat Julio Cesar Chavez). Who did Naz beat? Steve Robinson, Manuel Medina and a fading Tom Johnson.
Naz doth protest too much in this clip, methinks.

I agree - look how much trouble Ingle gave Hatton. Ingle had a similar pressure style, but lacked Barry's power and strength.

nobby_nobbins wrote:McGuigan would have been cannon fodder against Naz. It woud have been an embarrassment. The late career Naz would have made heavy weather of it though, but still got the win.

bennie wrote:A Commonwealth Games gold medallist at 17, and then a British, Commonwealth, European and major world champion. Yeah, the guy was "cannon fodder".
Ignorance is bliss for those posters who were born yesterday.

nobby_nobbins wrote:

bennie wrote:A Commonwealth Games gold medallist at 17, and then a British, Commonwealth, European and major world champion. Yeah, the guy was "cannon fodder".
Ignorance is bliss for those posters who were born yesterday.

I was not born yesterday - I am 42 and three quarters and have sat through many of McGuigan's fights. I was actually quite a fan at one stage and have a very well worn video of McGuigan-Pedroza sitting in my loft. But honestly, we are comparing a carthorse to a thoroughbred here. Does anyone seriously think Hamed would have lost to a mediocrity like Stevie Cruz just because it was sunny?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D0l0N-PC-s

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

nobby_nobbins wrote:

bennie wrote:A Commonwealth Games gold medallist at 17, and then a British, Commonwealth, European and major world champion. Yeah, the guy was "cannon fodder".
Ignorance is bliss for those posters who were born yesterday.

I was not born yesterday - I am 42 and three quarters and have sat through many of McGuigan's fights. I was actually quite a fan at one stage and have a very well worn video of McGuigan-Pedroza sitting in my loft. But honestly, we are comparing a carthorse to a thoroughbred here. Does anyone seriously think Hamed would have lost to a mediocrity like Stevie Cruz just because it was sunny?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D0l0N-PC-s

Why not, Augie Sanchez had him on the seat of his arse.

NorthEastBoxingFan wrote:Mcguigan spanks the granny out of Hamed in 4 or 5.

nobby_nobbins wrote:

bennie wrote:A Commonwealth Games gold medallist at 17, and then a British, Commonwealth, European and major world champion. Yeah, the guy was "cannon fodder".
Ignorance is bliss for those posters who were born yesterday.

I was not born yesterday - I am 42 and three quarters and have sat through many of McGuigan's fights. I was actually quite a fan at one stage and have a very well worn video of McGuigan-Pedroza sitting in my loft. But honestly, we are comparing a carthorse to a thoroughbred here. Does anyone seriously think Hamed would have lost to a mediocrity like Stevie Cruz just because it was sunny?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D0l0N-PC-s

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Why not, Augie Sanchez had him on the seat of his arse.

bennie wrote: McGuigan fought for 15 gruelling rounds in 110 degrees Fahrenheit, not counting the ring lights and TV lights which would have added at least 10 degrees. Cruz lived in Las Vegas, by comparison.
Barry needed two and a half galllons of water intravenously afterwards.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Why not, Augie Sanchez had him on the seat of his arse.

Autobarn wrote:let's not forget, mccullough, robinson and ingle were either

good world champions
good fighters who won a belt
able, aggressive world beaters

beating those guys is no small achievement, though obviously it's not the same as mcguigan who beat a legend in a great fight and some other good names. i'm just saying mccullough, robinson and ingle were cracking fighters in their own right. in particular ingle made a terrific breakthrough late in the naz fight, before getting stopped.

sadly, naz's ego got too big so we probably never saw him apply his skills properly post robinson.