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Tunney would be at the top of my list . . .

Adamj1987 wrote:can we inclde Vic darchinyan for now?

No, he's not a boxer of the past.

Rossman wrote:Tunney would be at the top of my list . . .

I think you could make a good case for him. He beat Tommy Gibbons,Georges Carpentier,Harry Greb,
Battling Levinsky.

You do have to consider Michael Spinks. He did come along during a strong era in the lightheavyweight division and dominated it. Then he became the first man lto win the lightheavyweight title and then the heavyweight title. I think some people are fooled by Spinks rather odd style but he made it work for him.

Salvador Sanchez would be the other guy to consider. He beat some really good competition as well.

BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:

dempseyfire wrote: Sure official results can hinge on various factors, but that doesn't change the fact you simply looked up the results on boxrec and thought you were being clever, wheareas you clearly have not seen Maske-Barkely!

- And what has this to do with the price of puppies in China?

No need for me to be clever when you've got your little puppy Colly still following me around wagging his tail in spite of having me on "ignore." There is not a single person who posts on this board who can tell us off hand what the round and official results were in many bouts they have seen except the obvious classics that stand out in memory.

Henry Maske was obviously a fine fighter with a better record than most and he met the thread criteria, so I included him. That you and little Colly don't care for him is no surprise, but it's telling that you'd rather talk about me rather than boxing, probably because you don't know the first thing about boxing.

Facts are Maske KOed Barkley without needing to dry him out into a prune like Toney did. Had Toney showed up instead, he'd get turned into a well marbled rump roast as we saw when he was run out of super mid by Jones and his own appetite and failed to handle the LH division save a few clubfighters.

It's interesting that somehow the Barkely fight is a measuring stick for Maske. Barkley had been ko'd by Toney, and then was KO'd by Adolpho Williams at 205 lbs a year before he fought Maske. The 34-year-old, pretty-well-shot Barkley had absolutely no business getting a title shot against Maske. I remember thinking ahead of time it would be an easy fight for Maske both because Barkely was pretty shot and because of Maske's style. Same thing with David Vedder, who lost consecutive title shots and then Maske gave him a third, which he lost by a shutout.
On the other hand, you have to give Maske credit for beating a good Charles Williams for the title, for beating tough Graciano Rocchigiani twice and giving Virgil Hill a pretty good fight the first time around. Not a great fighter like some of those mentioned, but certainly not the worst champion of his era by a long shot.

Ambling Alp wrote:

Rossman wrote:Tunney would be at the top of my list . . .

I think you could make a good case for him. He beat Tommy Gibbons,Georges Carpentier,Harry Greb,
Battling Levinsky.

You do have to consider Michael Spinks. He did come along during a strong era in the lightheavyweight division and dominated it. Then he became the first man lto win the lightheavyweight title and then the heavyweight title. I think some people are fooled by Spinks rather odd style but he made it work for him.

Salvador Sanchez would be the other guy to consider. He beat some really good competition as well.

Spinks, along with Holmes, was my favorite fighter growing up . . . it was sad when they fought . . . :)

giacomino wrote:

BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:

dempseyfire wrote: Sure official results can hinge on various factors, but that doesn't change the fact you simply looked up the results on boxrec and thought you were being clever, wheareas you clearly have not seen Maske-Barkely!

- And what has this to do with the price of puppies in China?

No need for me to be clever when you've got your little puppy Colly still following me around wagging his tail in spite of having me on "ignore." There is not a single person who posts on this board who can tell us off hand what the round and official results were in many bouts they have seen except the obvious classics that stand out in memory.

Henry Maske was obviously a fine fighter with a better record than most and he met the thread criteria, so I included him. That you and little Colly don't care for him is no surprise, but it's telling that you'd rather talk about me rather than boxing, probably because you don't know the first thing about boxing.

Facts are Maske KOed Barkley without needing to dry him out into a prune like Toney did. Had Toney showed up instead, he'd get turned into a well marbled rump roast as we saw when he was run out of super mid by Jones and his own appetite and failed to handle the LH division save a few clubfighters.

It's interesting that somehow the Barkely fight is a measuring stick for Maske. Barkley had been ko'd by Toney, and then was KO'd by Adolpho Williams at 205 lbs a year before he fought Maske. The 34-year-old, pretty-well-shot Barkley had absolutely no business getting a title shot against Maske. I remember thinking ahead of time it would be an easy fight for Maske both because Barkely was pretty shot and because of Maske's style. Same thing with David Vedder, who lost consecutive title shots and then Maske gave him a third, which he lost by a shutout.
On the other hand, you have to give Maske credit for beating a good Charles Williams for the title, for beating tough Graciano Rocchigiani twice and giving Virgil Hill a pretty good fight the first time around. Not a great fighter like some of those mentioned, but certainly not the worst champion of his era by a long shot.

Giacomino, I think you might mean Adolpho Washington.
I fought on the same card with him in Chicago in 89. That guy could really bang.

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- And what has this to do with the price of puppies in China?

No need for me to be clever when you've got your little puppy Colly still following me around wagging his tail in spite of having me on "ignore." There is not a single person who posts on this board who can tell us off hand what the round and official results were in many bouts they have seen except the obvious classics that stand out in memory.

Henry Maske was obviously a fine fighter with a better record than most and he met the thread criteria, so I included him. That you and little Colly don't care for him is no surprise, but it's telling that you'd rather talk about me rather than boxing, probably because you don't know the first thing about boxing.

Facts are Maske KOed Barkley without needing to dry him out into a prune like Toney did. Had Toney showed up instead, he'd get turned into a well marbled rump roast as we saw when he was run out of super mid by Jones and his own appetite and failed to handle the LH division save a few clubfighters.[/quote]

It's interesting that somehow the Barkely fight is a measuring stick for Maske. Barkley had been ko'd by Toney, and then was KO'd by Adolpho Williams at 205 lbs a year before he fought Maske. The 34-year-old, pretty-well-shot Barkley had absolutely no business getting a title shot against Maske. I remember thinking ahead of time it would be an easy fight for Maske both because Barkely was pretty shot and because of Maske's style. Same thing with David Vedder, who lost consecutive title shots and then Maske gave him a third, which he lost by a shutout.
On the other hand, you have to give Maske credit for beating a good Charles Williams for the title, for beating tough Graciano Rocchigiani twice and giving Virgil Hill a pretty good fight the first time around. Not a great fighter like some of those mentioned, but certainly not the worst champion of his era by a long shot.[/quote]


Giacomino, I think you might mean Adolpho Washington.
I fought on the same card with him in Chicago in 89. That guy could really bang.[/quote]


My bad. You're right on both counts. I remember when Washington was in the big leagues in the 1990s and he seemed to be in the middle of a lot of good, close fights. If I remember correctly, the Barkley win got him a shot at Anacet Wamba for the cruiserweight title that ended up a draw.

Indeed Spinks is quite under-rated as a HW.

Dominated the LH, but taking away Holmes 0 and beating him twice is something too..

Adolpho Washington made an impression on me.
That guy was rough.
I remember him coming into the ring kinda like Tyson used to. No robe , no frills, just ready to kick ass.
A commission guy was asking him his name or something, I dont remember and Adolpho just kinda barked his name at him. "Washington"!.He proceeded to belt somebody out in the first round.

The stuff we remember. I remember that, but not what happened ten minutes ago.


Gotta go with Sanchez . Back on topic.

Sanchez really was impressive. He could box, he could go toe to toe.
Lopez,Gomez, Nelson are the fights that stand out but Castillo and LaPorte were really good as well.

Of course with Spinks you can counter with wins over Qawi,Mustapha Muhammad, Marvin Johnson, Yaqui Lopez and Murray Sutherland.

And of course Tunney beat Dempsey,Carpentier,Gibbons, Levinsky and Greb.

If you count BS decisions, Whitaker has this locked down.

BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:
Boxrec lists Maske as a 9 rd stoppage, and Toney as a 10 rd stoppage, ...

So? You said Maske knocked him out faster than Toney did. That's still not true. He neither knocked him out, nor did the fight end any faster.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:If you count BS decisions, Whitaker has this locked down.

Not really, because he still has at least two undisputed losses, to Tito and Bojorquez.

Rossman wrote:Tunney would be at the top of my list . . .

Mine too, with Spinks not too far behind.

My2Sense wrote:

BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:
Boxrec lists Maske as a 9 rd stoppage, and Toney as a 10 rd stoppage, ...

So? You said Maske knocked him out faster than Toney did. That's still not true. He neither knocked him out, nor did the fight end any faster.

- To paraphrase Nat Fleischer, per the rules of boxing is no such thing as a TKO, so neither result is true.

However, per boxrec, me Tarzan, right, and you Jane, wrong. I stand by my selection as Maske being one of the class 1 loss fighters in history and even more so Brian Mitchell.