Haye's pull out now makes sense

[jamesmcdonnell]

Well if he had gone ahead with the fight and beat Wlad, then he would be able to look forward to a multi million payday for his next fight. And would of been able to renegotiate a new TV deal for it as Setanta has gone bust.
Instead he's now looking at boxing for relative chump change.

If Haye wasn't injured , then it may of been worth the gamble to of taken on Wlad.

in some ways it's not such a bad thing for haye all this.

he can fight here in england and get some money into his promotional set up.

he's the main draw and he's not had a fight since last year.

time to bring in an opponent and bash him up.

Haye definitely needs an impressive name, or an impressive performance, or both. Bowling over some stiff however may not cut it and he could find himself left out in the cold. I think Wlad is pissed off with the pull out by Haye, right or wrong, and like it or lump it, Wlad is calling the shots, not Haye,.

[Hagler2002]

It was nothing to do with a bad back.

Could you tell me if Elvis is dead yet?

[lirva]

Wlad doesn't need Haye.

Haye against most heavyweights is a pick um because of his chin. If he fought a McCline/McCall/Chambers/Peter, there is a good chance he'll lose because of his poor chin. If he lost to a fighter of their calibre, he'd be done. He really got lucky getting that shot at Wlad and he blew it himself. If I was him, I would have taken my chance and fought Wlad for peanuts. And if he gets beaten by a McCall type next, I'll be happy because imo, he should have had the balls to back up his talk and get on with it.

[dempseyfire]

He should shoot for Peter or Lamon Brewster. If he's the real deal he should dominate both.

[charlieb]

Holyfield's a risky fight, if Haye lost to Holyfield, that would be it for his championship ambitions imo, same goes for McCall. You'd have the name recognition, but nobody would give him credit for the win.

Haye's done a lot of talking/promoting and every fight's going to be a risk. If he's going to fight someone, it needs to be someone that a loss against isn't going to completely derail his credibility as a heavyweight threat.

If he's going to fight someone, assuming the Klits, Valuev and Povetkin are tied up, and if Arreola's people cant be persuaded by HBO, it should be the likes of Eddie Chambers, Samuel Peter, Lamon Brewster (Klitschko angle could be hyped) or Alexander Dimitrenko. A loss in that company wouldn't be as bad as a loss in veteran company.

If Haye really wanted to appeal to new fans he could take on Ruiz, and with a bit of luck, pull a Tua on him. Bad match-up though imo.

Other fights that should be avoided - Juan Carlos Gomez, Kevin Johnson (think he's fighting Solis next anyway) and any of the brit circuit, Williams, Harrison, etc.

I think Peter, poop as he is, is a bit of a live dog yet - he can still punch and he's still a bit of a brick wall. Gomez has skills and could embarrass haye. It's winnable for Haye, but Gomez is not without ambition himself and is a former top flight amateur.

Peter would be right there for Haye to tee off on with pinpoint bombs, I'd definitely worry about the possibility of Peter physically overwhelming him against the ropes at some point though. Plus a repeat of the Williams KO would be a hard loss to regroup from.

I still think that anyone who offers Haye a relatively static target will get stopped and probably quite early. With the size disparity, it could be a very pretty highlight reel KO.

Still think an Arreola fight could be made with the right goading from Haye and a helping hand from HBO, who seem to be very much pro Haye.

[Dioufy]

Wlad doesn't need Haye.

Haye against most heavyweights is a pick um because of his chin. If he fought a McCline/McCall/Chambers/Peter, there is a good chance he'll lose because of his poor chin. If he lost to a fighter of their calibre, he'd be done. He really got lucky getting that shot at Wlad and he blew it himself. If I was him, I would have taken my chance and fought Wlad for peanuts. And if he gets beaten by a McCall type next, I'll be happy because imo, he should have had the balls to back up his talk and get on with it.

Fighting Wladimir for nothing was stupid, because Haye had a 3-fight deal with K2 and we can only assume (prove me wrong if you please) that Haye would've got his purse from Setanta solely for all three fights. And with Setanta going bust and no TV deal set up, do you believe Haye should've fought Wladimir twice and Vitali once for nothing whatsoever?

[dbf]

Why not get him in with Maskaev or the winner of chambers v dimintrinko (sp), push him up the ratings in both bodies. Whether any of those 3 would risk a ranking is another question.

The tall fella should he beat Fast Eddie would be good prep, plus he will have to wait for Povetkin anyway.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Holyfield's a risky fight, if Haye lost to Holyfield, that would be it for his championship ambitions imo, same goes for McCall. You'd have the name recognition, but nobody would give him credit for the win.

Haye's done a lot of talking/promoting and every fight's going to be a risk. If he's going to fight someone, it needs to be someone that a loss against isn't going to completely derail his credibility as a heavyweight threat.

If he's going to fight someone, assuming the Klits, Valuev and Povetkin are tied up, and if Arreola's people cant be persuaded by HBO, it should be the likes of Eddie Chambers, Samuel Peter, Lamon Brewster (Klitschko angle could be hyped) or Alexander Dimitrenko. A loss in that company wouldn't be as bad as a loss in veteran company.

If Haye really wanted to appeal to new fans he could take on Ruiz, and with a bit of luck, pull a Tua on him. Bad match-up though imo.

Other fights that should be avoided - Juan Carlos Gomez, Kevin Johnson (think he's fighting Solis next anyway) and any of the brit circuit, Williams, Harrison, etc.

I think Peter, poop as he is, is a bit of a live dog yet - he can still punch and he's still a bit of a brick wall. Gomez has skills and could embarrass haye. It's winnable for Haye, but Gomez is not without ambition himself and is a former top flight amateur.

Peter would be right there for Haye to tee off on with pinpoint bombs, I'd definitely worry about the possibility of Peter physically overwhelming him against the ropes at some point though. Plus a repeat of the Williams KO would be a hard loss to regroup from.

I still think that anyone who offers Haye a relatively static target will get stopped and probably quite early. With the size disparity, it could be a very pretty highlight reel KO.

Still think an Arreola fight could be made with the right goading from Haye and a helping hand from HBO, who seem to be very much pro Haye.

Haye does get hit though. He was dropped by Barret who is hardly like quicksilver, and he was decked and hurt by Mormeck who was also very slow.

I don't see Arreola risking his ranking against Haye.

[lirva]

Wlad doesn't need Haye.

Haye against most heavyweights is a pick um because of his chin. If he fought a McCline/McCall/Chambers/Peter, there is a good chance he'll lose because of his poor chin. If he lost to a fighter of their calibre, he'd be done. He really got lucky getting that shot at Wlad and he blew it himself. If I was him, I would have taken my chance and fought Wlad for peanuts. And if he gets beaten by a McCall type next, I'll be happy because imo, he should have had the balls to back up his talk and get on with it.

Fighting Wladimir for nothing was stupid, because Haye had a 3-fight deal with K2 and we can only assume (prove me wrong if you please) that Haye would've got his purse from Setanta solely for all three fights. And with Setanta going bust and no TV deal set up, do you believe Haye should've fought Wladimir twice and Vitali once for nothing whatsoever?

Don't talk like you know the exact details of the contract when you don't mate.

[banjo]

I don't believe all of Hayes money would have come from setanta, what about ticket sales?

[lirva]

I don't believe all of Hayes money would have come from setanta, what about ticket sales?

I'm sure he would have gotten more than Setanta money but maybe not a great deal. Still it would have been a good bit of money imo.

If he fights a Chambers or Peter and gets beaten (which would probably happen), it will be no less than he deserves. He KOs Wlad and he's in pole position.

[WildWaylon]

Haye v Fury

[lirva]

Haye v Fury

Wouldn't be surprised to see Fury KO Haye. Haye is going to have to get in line now and fight some heavyweights in order to get his shot at Wlad and I don't know if he is going to be able to beat them. Mock had him down for christs sakes

[Eraserhead]

Haye v Fury

Wouldn't be surprised to see Fury KO Haye. Haye is going to have to get in line now and fight some heavyweights in order to get his shot at Wlad and I don't know if he is going to be able to beat them. Mock had him down for christs sakes

Don't make me laugh. Fury is a fatter and shitter version of Enzo Maccarinelli. Haye would destroy him very quickly and very dramatically. I'd worry for Fury's health if he ever sparred Haye, let alone actually fought him!

[Dioufy]

Wlad doesn't need Haye.

Haye against most heavyweights is a pick um because of his chin. If he fought a McCline/McCall/Chambers/Peter, there is a good chance he'll lose because of his poor chin. If he lost to a fighter of their calibre, he'd be done. He really got lucky getting that shot at Wlad and he blew it himself. If I was him, I would have taken my chance and fought Wlad for peanuts. And if he gets beaten by a McCall type next, I'll be happy because imo, he should have had the balls to back up his talk and get on with it.

Fighting Wladimir for nothing was stupid, because Haye had a 3-fight deal with K2 and we can only assume (prove me wrong if you please) that Haye would've got his purse from Setanta solely for all three fights. And with Setanta going bust and no TV deal set up, do you believe Haye should've fought Wladimir twice and Vitali once for nothing whatsoever?

Don't talk like you know the exact details of the contract when you don't mate.

I said assume.

And Fury would KO Haye? That's about it - I won't be reading/replying to your posts again, mate.

Silly sausage.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Haye v Fury

Wouldn't be surprised to see Fury KO Haye. Haye is going to have to get in line now and fight some heavyweights in order to get his shot at Wlad and I don't know if he is going to be able to beat them. Mock had him down for christs sakes

Don't make me laugh. Fury is a fatter and shitter version of Enzo Maccarinelli. Haye would destroy him very quickly and very dramatically. I'd worry for Fury's health if he ever sparred Haye, let alone actually fought him!

fury is a lot bigger than Enzo, and seems to hold a shot well. Different animal.

[lirva]

I said assume.

And Fury would KO Haye? That's about it - I won't be reading/replying to your posts again, mate.

Silly sausage.

You seriously overrate Haye. He has been hurt by a middleweight in lolenga mock. He has had 6 rounds at heavyweight... fury has been fighting as a heavyweight all his life. Fury has shown good power to me, a good jab and a good right, either punch would damage Haye imo. I said I wouldn't be surprised to see Fury beat Haye and I stand by that. You're talking as if it would be a mismatch, which tells me you are quite biased when it comes to Haye.

[charlieb]

Haye v Fury

Haye's been sparring a bigger and better fighter in Price.

Fury's looked wide open to me in almost every outing, someone like Haye would make short and spectacular work of him.

I'd have no qualms about coughing up for it on PPV though, perhaps they could fight for a Sky deal on behalf of Hennessey and Hayemaker. Winner gets lion's share of the coverage for their promoter.

[steve689]

Haye needs to get a few rounds against someone durable but beatable. I know it sounds risky, but would McCall not offer a decent workout. McCall has lost a step now and Haye should be able to keep him at bay for a decision, or maybe even bomb him out of there at this stage of McCall's career.

But then what about Tyson Fury? If Haye wants McCall then he needs to get in line

[Deserter]

If I was Haye I would genuinely abandon the UK and bid to get in with a Stateside promotional outfit such as Golden Boy given the current state-of-play.
While Haye wouldn't constitute 'home-grown' talent the US is surely open to 'adopting' him given his star quality/charisma and the glaring absence of any US-born fighters who have genuine world-class credentials.
I could genuinely see him becoming an attraction out there, based on the assumption of him being able to deliver in the ring.

[boxingchat]

It was nothing to do with a bad back. Setanta couldn't pay his wedge so he pulled out for business reasons. I don't blame him. And before I get a reply about medical evidence, bad back and stress are the easiest ways to get a doc to sign you off as there is no way of proving it.

I'm just pissed off that we'll have to ppv it through sky when it happens and sky now have the monopoly

A career in forensic science beckons I feel.

My dyslexic son asked me what he's gonna get for Christmas if Setanta is dead!

[J]

jesus h christ there is shit being spouted here.. firstly Mcline came out of retirement to get splattered by Arrelola .. looked fat and out of shape and there for the payday and efectively quit on his knee. No point fighting him. No stock in it.

2nd eddie chambers just beat peter so again fighting a heavy coming off a loss aint gonna set the world on fire again little or no stock in it. Fighting chambers would be a good call light hitting hheavy who isnt as mobile as haye but he looks like he is tied up.

As for the suggesting fury, we are talking an ex unified cruiserweight champ vs a 6 fight novice it wouldnt go two rounds. Yes haye got flash kd'd by mock in his 8th fight or so, but that was ages ago and he has since moved up in class and temprement........different animal now. Hayes chin isnt as bad as is being made out here. The Mock kd was high on the head and haye was bending down into the punch, against thompson he was never ko'd he kept getting up and was exhausted more than his chin letitng him down after going out too fast in the first three rounds. Against mormeck he got straight up and was fine and blasted back to unify the titles in Paris.

Tyson fury are you lot fornicating mental? Seriously need to take a look at yourselves if you are suggesting fury as credible opponent.

Got a new fighter to slag off now have we Lirva seeing has hatton has more or less retired? Oh wait a mintue Fury has Irish heritage doesnt he? And you accuse others of bias
change the record son.

[mickey1975]

If I was Haye I would genuinely abandon the UK and bid to get in with a Stateside promotional outfit such as Golden Boy given the current state-of-play.
While Haye wouldn't constitute 'home-grown' talent the US is surely open to 'adopting' him given his star quality/charisma and the glaring absence of any US-born fighters who have genuine world-class credentials.
I could genuinely see him becoming an attraction out there, based on the assumption of him being able to deliver in the ring.

he's not even a ticketseller here.

[Asterix]

jesus h christ there is poop being spouted here.. firstly Mcline came out of retirement to get splattered by Arrelola .. looked fat and out of shape and there for the payday and efectively quit on his knee. No point fighting him. No stock in it.

2nd eddie chambers just beat peter so again fighting a heavy coming off a loss aint gonna set the world on fire again little or no stock in it. Fighting chambers would be a good call light hitting hheavy who isnt as mobile as haye but he looks like he is tied up.

As for the suggesting fury, we are talking an ex unified cruiserweight champ vs a 6 fight novice it wouldnt go two rounds. Yes haye got flash kd'd by mock in his 8th fight or so, but that was ages ago and he has since moved up in class and temprement........different animal now. Hayes chin isnt as bad as is being made out here. The Mock kd was high on the head and haye was bending down into the punch, against thompson he was never ko'd he kept getting up and was exhausted more than his chin letitng him down after going out too fast in the first three rounds. Against mormeck he got straight up and was fine and blasted back to unify the titles in Paris.

Tyson fury are you lot effing mental? Seriously need to take a look at yourselves if you are suggesting fury as credible opponent.

Got a new fighter to slag off now have we Lirva seeing has hatton has more or less retired? Oh wait a mintue Fury has Irish heritage doesnt he? And you accuse others of bias
change the record son.

How about the winner of the Chambers-Dimitrenko fight?

[J]

yup would be perfect mate. Id fancy haye to demolish (not so) fast eddie, watched him on espn out here against peter, man talk about plodding pair of fat heavies.

dreadful.

though haye needs to get active he hasnt fought enough of late and thats a massive understatement.