Meehan challenges winner of Tua vs Cameron

[oliverfennell]

In which case he's free to claim either, and it seems that is what he has been doing. Fair enough.

But I bet when he fought in Suva he was 100% Fijian again.

[Hounddawg]

no doubt.

[foxdog1923]

Geez who cares whom Kalivath represents he's Fijian thats it, an islander. Like so many great sporting islanders he started to learn his sport in NZ and that is where his boxing was born. Then he went to AUS and furthered his boxing, and is where he now resides. Its good that aussies care to claim him though because its no secret that Austrailia has a worldwide reputation for racism and for them to start appreciating islanders(i.e George Smith one of the first islanders to play for wallabies) is great. NZ has nurtured islanders in sport since 1970s AUS has just caught on and now follows suit thats fact

[toppity]

Geez who cares whom Kalivath represents he's Fijian thats it, an islander. Like so many great sporting islanders he started to learn his sport in NZ and that is where his boxing was born. Then he went to AUS and furthered his boxing, and is where he now resides. Its good that aussies care to claim him though because its no secret that Austrailia has a worldwide reputation for racism and for them to start appreciating islanders(i.e George Smith one of the first islanders to play for wallabies) is great. NZ has nurtured islanders in sport since 1970s AUS has just caught on and now follows suit thats fact

Thanks for that. Are you Fijian? Do you live there?

[foxdog1923]

No Im a proud Samoan and i dont live in Fiji. But ask Kalivath if he is Fijian? See what he says toppity are you Fijian toppity do you live in Fiji?....oh where am I going with these questions LOL

[toppity]

No Im a proud Samoan and i dont live in Fiji. But ask Kalivath if he is Fijian? See what he says toppity are you Fijian toppity do you live in Fiji?....oh where am I going with these questions LOL

Not sure where you are headed mate.... Just interested to see where someone is coming from that comes on a forum that discusses a particular countries Boxing, and then calls that particular country a racist one. Not sure how Samoa stacks up on the racist front, but i hear it's a nice place to visit.

And just in case you are genuinely interested, though i doubt it greatly, I neither live in either Fiji nor Samoa... I was born and have choosen to stay in Australia.

Good to chat with you. LOL.

[foxdog1923]

FOR THE AUS VS NZ DEBATE;
If Meehan is so Australian why doesnt he want the "prestigious" Australian Heavyweight belt? Why would he rather fight the winner out of the kiwi boys for the New Zealand Heavyweight belt?...its simple, although Australia 10 times bigger then NZ and outnumbers the NZ population by millions, Aus doesnt have quality heavyweight fighters rich in the lighterweights but not in the big boys. NZ has had guys like Jimmy Peau, Shane Cameron, Ray Sefo, Mark Hunt, David Tua and Kalivath Meehan just to name a few that doesnt include NZs very own WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION BOB FITZSIMMONS and the new up and comers that Ive seen whom look deadly one of them a 17yr old heavyweight thats already tipped as the next big thing in boxing. Australia have never had a world heavyweight champion despite their massive population, they should always have a better chance at anything that the little as NZ try to do. But no, this small little country always puts up a good fight with its big brother sometimes beating them in sports and believe or not sometimes thrashing its way bigger counterpart, which is quite amazing. I end my entry with Australia and New Zealand both beautiful contries, Aussie being the big brother and New Zealand being the little brother with sibling rivalry between the both. With the big brother not always keen to take on the little bro in anything physical.

[foxdog1923]

Sorry toppity my bad mate..about racist Aussie thats whats on the news, some Aussie t.v programmes that we get and even some of your celebrities claim racism(i.e Anthony Mundine)...sorry again mate

[Sweet P]

I hear what your saying to a piont mate, But i don't thin you can use Mundine in a ny racial topic. He is disliked because he is a dickhead. Nothing to do with anything else.

I will admit that NZ has had some good heavieweights. But compare all the weights and we have had far more world Champions than NZ. And thats a fact.

[foxdog1923]

your exactly correct about the number of world champions Aus has and had in the lighterweights. A lot of them I like apart from Danny Green, all the rest are world beaters. I also think Australian coaches are ahead of NZ trainers in the sport of boxing. But at the end of the day the more people you got the more chances you have of getting titles. NZ has got stuff all but achieve a whole heap. I agree with you ben k.

[Hounddawg]

FOR THE AUS VS NZ DEBATE;
If Meehan is so Australian why doesnt he want the "prestigious" Australian Heavyweight belt? Why would he rather fight the winner out of the kiwi boys for the New Zealand Heavyweight belt?...its simple, although Australia 10 times bigger then NZ and outnumbers the NZ population by millions, Aus doesnt have quality heavyweight fighters rich in the lighterweights but not in the big boys. NZ has had guys like Jimmy Peau, Shane Cameron, Ray Sefo, Mark Hunt, David Tua and Kalivath Meehan just to name a few that doesnt include NZs very own WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION BOB FITZSIMMONS and the new up and comers that Ive seen whom look deadly one of them a 17yr old heavyweight thats already tipped as the next big thing in boxing. Australia have never had a world heavyweight champion despite their massive population, they should always have a better chance at anything that the little as NZ try to do. But no, this small little country always puts up a good fight with its big brother sometimes beating them in sports and believe or not sometimes thrashing its way bigger counterpart, which is quite amazing. I end my entry with Australia and New Zealand both beautiful contries, Aussie being the big brother and New Zealand being the little brother with sibling rivalry between the both. With the big brother not always keen to take on the little bro in anything physical.

Yeah....... don't think you really cleared anything up on the Aus vs NZ debate, probally should double check your facts on bob fitzsimmons,Tua and co .

Bob Fitzsimmons is Englishs very own world champion.

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hu ... &cat=boxer

Shane Cameron is world class????????????? I dont think thats been proven yet.

I thought for sure being somoan you would have known that Tua was born somoan and represented your country at the olympics not NZ.

Well going by what I've heard in my life it appears that NZ isn't as small as we all think, I mean if you can claim Somoa,Tonga,cook Islands and fiji as NZ isn't that around 10+ million.......... you can't have your cake and eat it, it's obviously a very even playing field.
IMO I think NZ are competitive with Australia in Rugby and netball and thats about as close as we get to good competition, England is the old enemy to Australia and is normally regarded a higher honor in victory.
As i've said in the past i love the enthuisasm about the hype of Goliath tackling David i just don't think it really applies to Australian and NZ rivralry.

[Darkshark]

Shane Cameron is world class????????????? I dont think thats been proven yet....


... IMO I think NZ are competitive with Australia in Rugby and netball and thats about as close as we get to good competition...

Hey Hound - agreed about Cameron, doesn't seem to have the natural size and inate skill required to make that step IMO

But what about league?

[toppity]

That begs the question, and remember i'm not a massive league fan, is State of Origin the most highly sort after prize played annually in League?

[Marlin]

That begs the question, and remember i'm not a massive league fan, is State of Origin the most highly sort after prize played annually in League?

Yes. It is at a higher level than international matches.

[N2 Shape]

Are we not the current Rugby League World Champions??? D

And sometimes the odd aussie needs to be reminded to take his own head out of his own ass!

End of the day who cares sport is the winner on the day

[Brute]

FOR THE AUS VS NZ DEBATE;
If Meehan is so Australian why doesnt he want the "prestigious" Australian Heavyweight belt? Why would he rather fight the winner out of the kiwi boys for the New Zealand Heavyweight belt?...its simple, although Australia 10 times bigger then NZ and outnumbers the NZ population by millions, Aus doesnt have quality heavyweight fighters rich in the lighterweights but not in the big boys. NZ has had guys like Jimmy Peau, Shane Cameron, Ray Sefo, Mark Hunt, David Tua and Kalivath Meehan just to name a few that doesnt include NZs very own WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION BOB FITZSIMMONS and the new up and comers that Ive seen whom look deadly one of them a 17yr old heavyweight thats already tipped as the next big thing in boxing. Australia have never had a world heavyweight champion despite their massive population, they should always have a better chance at anything that the little as NZ try to do. But no, this small little country always puts up a good fight with its big brother sometimes beating them in sports and believe or not sometimes thrashing its way bigger counterpart, which is quite amazing. I end my entry with Australia and New Zealand both beautiful contries, Aussie being the big brother and New Zealand being the little brother with sibling rivalry between the both. With the big brother not always keen to take on the little bro in anything physical.

Kali has held the Australian heavyweight title, but the ANBF has this strange idea that if you win a world or regional title you have to relinquish the Australian title so some lesser light can win it. Never mind that Jimmy Carruthers, Lionel Rose and Johnny Famechon had no problem holding Australian, Empire/Commonwealth and World titles at the same time.

[Darkshark]

FOR THE AUS VS NZ DEBATE;
If Meehan is so Australian why doesnt he want the "prestigious" Australian Heavyweight belt? Why would he rather fight the winner out of the kiwi boys for the New Zealand Heavyweight belt

Small point, but the NZ heavyweight belt is currently held by Chauncy Welliver as far as I know, so even if Kali jumps in with Tua or Cameron it wouldn't be on the line.
But having said that holding the belt doesn't make you the best, just the best that wants that belt.

[Darkshark]

IMO the whole NZ vs. Aus thing is way overplayed anyway.
At the end of the day NZ is a country full of immigrants or descendants of immigrants (including Maori), so if someone born in Fiji, Samoa, or even Aussie (at a push ) wants to move here and start calling themselves a Kiwi it's not that much of an issue really.
And if Kali wants to think of himself as a Fijian-Kiwi-Aussie then who cares?

[oliverfennell]

if you can claim Somoa,Tonga,cook Islands and fiji as NZ isn't that around 10+ million

First of all, why would you claim them as NZ? The Cooks are an NZ territory but Samoa, Tonga and Fiji are all independent.

Secondly, the combined populations of those countries would still be nowhere near 10 million.

[N2 Shape]

Correct, Chauncy is the NZ Heavyweight Champ!! In fact we wanted to fight Kali for a Regional Title bout 2 or so years ago and it never worked out!

[toppity]

IMO the whole NZ vs. Aus thing is way overplayed anyway.
At the end of the day NZ is a country full of immigrants or descendants of immigrants (including Maori), so if someone born in Fiji, Samoa, or even Aussie (at a push ) wants to move here and start calling themselves a Kiwi it's not that much of an issue really.
And if Kali wants to think of himself as a Fijian-Kiwi-Aussie then who cares?

agree

[Marlin]

This thread has a lot of words in it...

[Hounddawg]

if you can claim Somoa,Tonga,cook Islands and fiji as NZ isn't that around 10+ million

First of all, why would you claim them as NZ? The Cooks are an NZ territory but Samoa, Tonga and Fiji are all independent.

Secondly, the combined populations of those countries would still be nowhere near 10 million.

You are correct Mr Twist :P but the topic that started all this, was why we Australians are poaching youth rugby U/20 from NZ, i was merely highlighting for those who have a problem with this,that they should look at there own National rugby team, they are generally made up of somoans,tongans,fijians and the cooks, why is it good for one and not the other.

Then someone came on qouting some incorrect information on how NZ historically are a powerhouse in Heavyweight boxing, and of course that needed to be pointed out that they were simply talking about some other nations boxer, The great Bob Fitzsimmons, by the way Bob never even fought in NZ, i think he died there, point is he's English born and fought over half his carear in Australia , but it's safe to say he's historically registered as English.

I would agree that NZ show ticker(heart for those who are not up to date on slang), but you don't hear Australians carrying on about there relatively small popultion compared to other larger nations when we smoke there ass, Take the olympics for example Australia usually finish what somewhere between 4th and 6th in the medal count every olympics, but we don't ever talk about finishing outside the top 3 because we are limited with choice because of population. The Bahamas have a population of about 300000+ and they kick NZ ass in the medal count every olympics, are they the real Davids of world sport.

After raving on forever it all comes back to the old saying, it's not the size of the man that wins it's the size of the heart, it's not quantity that matters it's quality.
Enough of this nation v nation crap, unless in the squared ring.

[toppity]

This thread has a lot of words in it...

yes

[Hounddawg]

Shane Cameron is world class????????????? I dont think thats been proven yet....


... IMO I think NZ are competitive with Australia in Rugby and netball and thats about as close as we get to good competition...

Hey Hound - agreed about Cameron, doesn't seem to have the natural size and inate skill required to make that step IMO

But what about league?

Yes you did cause one of the biggest upsets in world sport, but you did have 2or 3 Australians in Billy slater and Joel Monaghan helping you get that freakish win, but we already showed how fleeting that win was.

Darkshark lets be honest, League is dominated by Australia so much so that we are for the first time since 1972 no longer world champs a 36 year reign, we could put our third string team together and win by 20 points.

The way Australia played that night, a lot of tounges were wagging about a fix, you guys were paying around 13/1 pretty good money in a 2 horse race.
And League are trying to establish an International game so it was actually good to see Australia finally lose.
PS That ref will never ajudicate an international league game again, nor will Ricky Stuart coach Australia again(Thank God)