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Punchy Joe wrote:He's got to beat Kotelnik first, and that's by no means a foregone conclusion in my book.

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:Does anyone on here have any clue about whats needed to develop young boxers? Young boxers need bringing along steadily with increasingly difficult challenges not simply throwing them in the deep end. They need profile building fights that may or may not be against the best of the best. Morales and Barrera are well past prime and much smaller but they are still top10 type fighters with world class skills. They are hand picked and picked because they are declined and smaller but they still have that skill that will upset a fighter who doesn't belong in the top10

Now Morales and MAB are still big names and will bring Khan to American/international attention, far more so than a John Murray fight would and both are actually probably harder fights. Morales deserved the decision over Diaz for the WBC LW title a while ago, would Murray beat Diaz?

A 2009 with MAB, Morales and Kotelnik would be a very good year for Khan and may set up a Hatton fight, which would be massive, not bad considering he was ko'd in a round a year ago

bigjack wrote:

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:Does anyone on here have any clue about whats needed to develop young boxers? Young boxers need bringing along steadily with increasingly difficult challenges not simply throwing them in the deep end. They need profile building fights that may or may not be against the best of the best. Morales and Barrera are well past prime and much smaller but they are still top10 type fighters with world class skills. They are hand picked and picked because they are declined and smaller but they still have that skill that will upset a fighter who doesn't belong in the top10

Now Morales and MAB are still big names and will bring Khan to American/international attention, far more so than a John Murray fight would and both are actually probably harder fights. Morales deserved the decision over Diaz for the WBC LW title a while ago, would Murray beat Diaz?

A 2009 with MAB, Morales and Kotelnik would be a very good year for Khan and may set up a Hatton fight, which would be massive, not bad considering he was ko'd in a round a year ago

Yes i do,even well contested fights where the opponent gives a good account of himself but is expected to lose and gives the house fighter a few rounds under his belt,the thing with khan is that on 3 occasions now he got himself into trouble against supposed walkovers.So if khan is fighting for the world title his team either think he is ready or that kotelnik is a poor champ,i know which one i'm going for.Sky won't put him on box office forever unless there are titles involved,what were his options at lightweight,murray,thaxton,too risky,so move up a weight

Riddick Blowe wrote:Don't worry, he won't get past Kotelnik. How the hell can he? Kotelnik is a genuine top ten light welter with legit wins at 140 including an arguable win over Junior Witter. He also beat Marcos Maidana who has since really bolstered his name with a win over the feared Ortiz.

While Khan has beaten approximately noone a weight division down and got dismantled in 30 seconds by a guy who is probably top 40 at best.

Sounds like a Khan win to me, folks!

This isn't me speculating any more. It's not predicting Oisin Fagan to KO Khan. This time, he's in with a proper fighter with proper wins who is going to fight back...

winkveron wrote:This is what makes Khan unpopular, the matchmaking. I know there are arguments for and against how he is being matchmaked but it's doing him no favours in the long run. He even said himself that he wouldn't fight Marquez now, but would rather wait until he is on the slide. People said he was mature and smart for saying that. Say what you like about Murray but I get the impression he'd jump in the ring with anyone right now. Not pick his way through the division looking for easy fights!

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:Don't worry, he won't get past Kotelnik. How the hell can he? Kotelnik is a genuine top ten light welter with legit wins at 140 including an arguable win over Junior Witter. He also beat Marcos Maidana who has since really bolstered his name with a win over the feared Ortiz.

While Khan has beaten approximately noone a weight division down and got dismantled in 30 seconds by a guy who is probably top 40 at best.

Sounds like a Khan win to me, folks!

This isn't me speculating any more. It's not predicting Oisin Fagan to KO Khan. This time, he's in with a proper fighter with proper wins who is going to fight back...

So you'll give him due credit when he wins, you'll be held to this D

tonyevs wrote:If Maidana couldn`t stop Kotelnik, then its hard to imagine a fairly average hitter from a division down getting the job done.. unless we get a ref who jumps in when Khan flurries away on arms and gloves

I think Khan gets a verdict, but its an interesting fight mainly because he will hold no size or strength advantage against his opponent .. something all his opponents so far have been chosen for .. well except one

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:Don't worry, he won't get past Kotelnik. How the hell can he? Kotelnik is a genuine top ten light welter with legit wins at 140 including an arguable win over Junior Witter. He also beat Marcos Maidana who has since really bolstered his name with a win over the feared Ortiz.

While Khan has beaten approximately noone a weight division down and got dismantled in 30 seconds by a guy who is probably top 40 at best.

Sounds like a Khan win to me, folks!

This isn't me speculating any more. It's not predicting Oisin Fagan to KO Khan. This time, he's in with a proper fighter with proper wins who is going to fight back...

So you'll give him due credit when he wins, you'll be held to this D

Counter-puncher wrote:i may have misunderstood you here, but are you saying Khan was scared to fight Murray or Thaxton and took on the 'easier' challenge of Kotelnik instead????

winkveron wrote:What next? After Morales, Khan will step up to heavyweight to fight a prime Muhammed Ali? Wouldn't be surprised. It's disgusting and cowardly. The only actual people he has ever fought that are of equal or higher weight to him are Prescott (look what happened!) and now Kotelnik. It's like he is the school ground bully, beating up the younger kids and the geeky science teachers, but staying well clear of the harder older boys!

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:

bigjack wrote:

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:Does anyone on here have any clue about whats needed to develop young boxers? Young boxers need bringing along steadily with increasingly difficult challenges not simply throwing them in the deep end. They need profile building fights that may or may not be against the best of the best. Morales and Barrera are well past prime and much smaller but they are still top10 type fighters with world class skills. They are hand picked and picked because they are declined and smaller but they still have that skill that will upset a fighter who doesn't belong in the top10

Now Morales and MAB are still big names and will bring Khan to American/international attention, far more so than a John Murray fight would and both are actually probably harder fights. Morales deserved the decision over Diaz for the WBC LW title a while ago, would Murray beat Diaz?

A 2009 with MAB, Morales and Kotelnik would be a very good year for Khan and may set up a Hatton fight, which would be massive, not bad considering he was ko'd in a round a year ago

Yes i do,even well contested fights where the opponent gives a good account of himself but is expected to lose and gives the house fighter a few rounds under his belt,the thing with khan is that on 3 occasions now he got himself into trouble against supposed walkovers.So if khan is fighting for the world title his team either think he is ready or that kotelnik is a poor champ,i know which one i'm going for.Sky won't put him on box office forever unless there are titles involved,what were his options at lightweight,murray,thaxton,too risky,so move up a weight

If you seriously think Thaxton and Murray are near the level of Kotelnik your either crazy or just misinformed. Many people had Kotelnik beating both Witter and Mbaiye, he beat Madiana who just destroyed the hot new Rican prospect Ortiz. Kotelnik is arguably unbeaten and won a silver medal in the olympics. However Khan matches up nicely stylistically against him, hes faster, a better offensive arsenal and Kotelnik isnt a murderous puncher

stujones wrote:

winkveron wrote:What next? After Morales, Khan will step up to heavyweight to fight a prime Muhammed Ali? Wouldn't be surprised. It's disgusting and cowardly. The only actual people he has ever fought that are of equal or higher weight to him are Prescott (look what happened!) and now Kotelnik. It's like he is the school ground bully, beating up the younger kids and the geeky science teachers, but staying well clear of the harder older boys!

Martin Kristjansen, Scott Lawton, Lazlo Komjathi abd Drizlane were all same size or bigger than Khan.