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Jones' record is not even on the same scale as Tunney's. If they fought Jones wouldn't even be Tunney's hardest opponent.

Ezzard wrote:Jones' record is not even on the same scale as Tunney's. If they fought Jones wouldn't even be Tunney's hardest opponent.

- Records are for show, fights are for the dough and everyone knows in boxing many matches just flat out don't get made in their own eras, much less in cross era fantasies.

Fact is Tunney apparently wouldn't face Jones for the obvious reasons if his record "shows" anything. Now, I'd like to think this was a minor anomoly generally explained away by a weak era for black contenders in his primary middle-LH weight class, but perhaps not. A 190lb rusty Hollywood softened Dempsey knocked him up against the ropes senseless and later hit him hard enough to cause him to step back and check to see if his teeth were still there in the first fight and knocked him down for a full count and a half in the 2nd fight, so I'd imagine a prime to prime version of 185-195 lb Jones in his LH-Heavy fight nite weights could do at least as much if not more, perhaps even a whole lot of more.

I'd certainly never put a dime on such a bout, but no doubt plenty of foolish fanboys to bet the family farms on ill considered emotions.

No need to get all jiggy and foolish over Tunney

Much bigger list of great fighters that Jones missed than Tunney missed.

Don't live in the white middle class suburbs so you'll have to explain 'fanboy' to me.

Ezzard wrote:Much bigger list of great fighters that Jones missed than Tunney missed.

- Back it up then. List the chronological order of fighters Jones missed.

I'll follow with Tunney, follow being the operative word here as I'm fed up with the lack of forum content to back up "opinions" and elbows I see in the usual responses.

Ezzard wrote:Much bigger list of great fighters that Jones missed than Tunney missed.

Don't live in the white middle class suburbs so you'll have to explain 'fanboy' to me.

I'll explain. Take common sense, & be contrarian for the sake of trolling.

Watch the puppets roll in to debate such basic knowledge, as seen in this thread. Christ, it's a boring act. When will everyone wake up to it?

Ezzard wrote:Jones' record is not even on the same scale as Tunney's. If they fought Jones wouldn't even be Tunney's hardest opponent.

i agree that jones' record is not even close to tunney's but he does have some decent wins. none of us have seen greb fight and with all due respect to him, jones would be by far the most skilled and talented opponent tunney would have ever faced. i won't argue with you if you say tunney would beat jones in your make-believe land, but to suggest it would be an easy night is comical.

bjermaine wrote:
jones would be by far the most skilled and talented opponent tunney would have ever faced. . .

That's a winner.

LOL

granberry wrote:

bjermaine wrote:
jones would be by far the most skilled and talented opponent tunney would have ever faced. . .

That's a winner.

LOL

for granberry LOL stands for Lamebrained Old Lunatic.

BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:

Ezzard wrote:Much bigger list of great fighters that Jones missed than Tunney missed.

- Back it up then. List the chronological order of fighters Jones missed.

I'll follow with Tunney, follow being the operative word here as I'm fed up with the lack of forum content to back up "opinions" and elbows I see in the usual responses.

You’re mistaking me for someone who has the time or inclination for your boy scout challenges. We don’t all have a mum and dad at hand to copy and paste from wiki.

I appreciate how you came on the site, made a fool of yourself, and now lurch around blindly from thread to thread hoping in vain to limit the damage and try to score as many points off other posters as you can in a desperate attempt to shed some of the smell that’s stuck to you.

Maybe Irene’s right. Maybe I should start an ignore list. But I feel a profound deep-rooted responsibility towards nearly men. I really do want to help... I just know that any day you are going to crawl out of that chrysalis of stats and half-baked facts you’ve imprisoned yourself in, and then you will unfold your wings and fly like the butterfly I believe you have the potential to be.

I feel your keen sense of anxiety and dissatisfaction for yourself, for Mike and for Roy. But I can’t help you with it. You’re going to have sort this one out for yourself. I think you’ll get there, one day. And if it ever gets too dark for you, just know I’m only a PM away.

Ezzard wrote:

BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:

Ezzard wrote:Much bigger list of great fighters that Jones missed than Tunney missed.

- Back it up then. List the chronological order of fighters Jones missed.

I'll follow with Tunney, follow being the operative word here as I'm fed up with the lack of forum content to back up "opinions" and elbows I see in the usual responses.

You’re mistaking me for someone who has the time or inclination for your boy scout challenges. We don’t all have a mum and dad at hand to copy and paste from wiki.

- Nah, I mistook you for a boxing aficionado, when instead you incline more to the repose on your couch patootie whoopee cushions and built in remote as you pass equal measures of gas and judgements from afar.

Safe to say we've whittled down your "" Much bigger list of great fighters that Jones missed "" to one fighter or less than one fighter, perhaps Butterbean, though he could qualify as 4 fighters today.

No, the one or less shall doubtless remain shrouded in the sulfurous fog of your daily existence.

- Nah, I mistook you for a boxing aficionado, when instead you incline more to the repose on your couch patootie whoopee cushions and built in remote as you pass equal measures of gas and judgements from afar.

Safe to say we've whittled down your "" Much bigger list of great fighters that Jones missed "" to one fighter or less than one fighter, perhaps Butterbean, though he could qualify as 4 fighters today.

No, the one or less shall doubtless remain shrouded in the sulfurous fog of your daily existence.[/quote]



Interesting argument indeed, but handbags aside, how about you listing the great fighters whom Roy fought?.... or even the very good fighters he fought?... it wont be a very long list alas. Eitherway, fighting harry greb 6 times trumps anything jones did in his career. Greb was a truly phenomenal fighter and far more than just a brawler like some seem to believe, after facing Greb I think Tunney would find Jones light relief by comparison.

bjermaine wrote:

Ezzard wrote:Jones' record is not even on the same scale as Tunney's. If they fought Jones wouldn't even be Tunney's hardest opponent.

i agree that jones' record is not even close to tunney's but he does have some decent wins. none of us have seen greb fight and with all due respect to him, jones would be by far the most skilled and talented opponent tunney would have ever faced. i won't argue with you if you say tunney would beat jones in your make-believe land, but to suggest it would be an easy night is comical.

Well I'm not sure I would agree that Jones "would be by far the most skilled and talented opponent tunney would have ever faced". If you're not happy with Greb, Tommy Gibbons and Georges Carpentier were also pretty fair fighters. I'm not saying they were necessarily better than Jones, but it's a stretch to say that Jones was far more skilled and talented than them.

The Great John L wrote:

bjermaine wrote:

Ezzard wrote:Jones' record is not even on the same scale as Tunney's. If they fought Jones wouldn't even be Tunney's hardest opponent.

i agree that jones' record is not even close to tunney's but he does have some decent wins. none of us have seen greb fight and with all due respect to him, jones would be by far the most skilled and talented opponent tunney would have ever faced. i won't argue with you if you say tunney would beat jones in your make-believe land, but to suggest it would be an easy night is comical.

Well I'm not sure I would agree that Jones "would be by far the most skilled and talented opponent tunney would have ever faced". If you're not happy with Greb, Tommy Gibbons and Georges Carpentier were also pretty fair fighters. I'm not saying they were necessarily better than Jones, but it's a stretch to say that Jones was far more skilled and talented than them.

Tommy Laughan wasnt too bad either.

Tunney fought Jack Dempsey (past his prime but still great), Harry Greb (5 times), Battling Levinsky, Georges Carpentier, Tommy Loughran, Jeff Smith, and Tommy Gibbons, all of whom, I believe, are hall of famers. He also put in his rounds with some pretty tough contenders who, though not championship material, were hardly "journeymen": Tom Heeney, Johnny Risko, Charlie Wienert, Jack Renault, et al. Hard to criticize that resume.

The story goes that, when Rickard told Tunney and Wills to fight for the right to meet Dempsey, Tunney said "sure thing" and Will said "forget it." I don't blame Wills for that, given the number of years he hung around cooling his jets, but it appears that Tunney was more than happy to fight him.

fatcity69 wrote:Tommy Laughan wasnt too bad either.

Yes he was pretty good.

fatcity69 wrote: Interesting argument indeed, but handbags aside, how about you listing the great fighters whom Roy fought?.... or even the very good fighters he fought?... it wont be a very long list alas. Eitherway, fighting harry greb 6 times trumps anything jones did in his career. Greb was a truly phenomenal fighter and far more than just a brawler like some seem to believe, after facing Greb I think Tunney would find Jones light relief by comparison.

- Don't recall anyone on this site questioning the excellence of Tunney and his record, so as I mentioned, records are for show and you fight for dough.

I gave my abbreviated breakdown indicating that a match between the two is pretty much a pickem. Having a better record don't help fighters losing to lesser fighters as happens often enough. Roy was thought highly enough to be ranked 6th all time Ibro LH, and something like 18th ranked middle, one of the few getting double rankings.

Did Greb's superior record help him with a winning record against Tunney? I rest my case.

The Great John L wrote: Well I'm not sure I would agree that Jones "would be by far the most skilled and talented opponent tunney would have ever faced". If you're not happy with Greb, Tommy Gibbons and Georges Carpentier were also pretty fair fighters. I'm not saying they were necessarily better than Jones, but it's a stretch to say that Jones was far more skilled and talented than them.

true, after reading my comment again i would leave out "by far". all the guys listed here were great champs.

fatcity69 wrote:- Nah, I mistook you for a boxing aficionado, when instead you incline more to the repose on your couch patootie whoopee cushions and built in remote as you pass equal measures of gas and judgements from afar.

Safe to say we've whittled down your "" Much bigger list of great fighters that Jones missed "" to one fighter or less than one fighter, perhaps Butterbean, though he could qualify as 4 fighters today.

No, the one or less shall doubtless remain shrouded in the sulfurous fog of your daily existence.

Interesting argument indeed, but handbags aside, how about you listing the great fighters whom Roy fought?.... or even the very good fighters he fought?... it wont be a very long list alas. Eitherway, fighting harry greb 6 times trumps anything jones did in his career. Greb was a truly phenomenal fighter and far more than just a brawler like some seem to believe, after facing Greb I think Tunney would find Jones light relief by comparison. [/quote]

Is that you, Silkov?

Ezzard wrote:

fatcity69 wrote:- Nah, I mistook you for a boxing aficionado, when instead you incline more to the repose on your couch patootie whoopee cushions and built in remote as you pass equal measures of gas and judgements from afar.

Safe to say we've whittled down your "" Much bigger list of great fighters that Jones missed "" to one fighter or less than one fighter, perhaps Butterbean, though he could qualify as 4 fighters today.

No, the one or less shall doubtless remain shrouded in the sulfurous fog of your daily existence.

Interesting argument indeed, but handbags aside, how about you listing the great fighters whom Roy fought?.... or even the very good fighters he fought?... it wont be a very long list alas. Eitherway, fighting harry greb 6 times trumps anything jones did in his career. Greb was a truly phenomenal fighter and far more than just a brawler like some seem to believe, after facing Greb I think Tunney would find Jones light relief by comparison.

Is that you, Silkov?[/quote]


Never heard of this guy Silkov one of those eastern europeons no doubt!... short legs and a big right hand eh