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Re: Patholgist reveals Gatti hung for 3 hours

Posted: 31 Jul 2009, 19:47
by tonyevs
DavidPayne wrote:I believe anyone is capable of committing suicide. And furthermore, do we always have to assume incompetence or other influences when a poor country comes up with a verdict.

Why should we presuume that?

Can anyone ever say "oh yes, I had him down as a suicide certainty" about anyone, instinctively you will always say "never, not him".

Totally agree.

Some years ago, a friend of mine committed suicide. He too was the last person I would have expected to have done such a thing. He always had a smile for any situation. I don`t think anybody really knew why he did it, but there was a woman heavily blamed in his circumstances also.

I find it harder to believe a small framed woman could murder Arturo, than he committing suicide.

Re: Patholgist reveals Gatti hung for 3 hours

Posted: 01 Aug 2009, 02:01
by m1kee50
it's like CSI in here.

Re: Patholgist reveals Gatti hung for 3 hours

Posted: 01 Aug 2009, 05:46
by whiskey
Looks like a load of people saw him beating his girlfriend before a guard intervened and Gatti thumped him - a crowd gathered to see him hitting her who threw a few stones at him to stop, which cut the back of his head - before they both were split up and sent in different taxi's home !


Arturo Gatti: Second Autopsy a Go; Police Details
Posted by: Mark Vester on 07-31-2009.

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By Mark Vester

A second autopsy of deceased former champion Arturo Gatti will be under way. The Canadian Press report that the Quebec coroner's office has approved the exhumation of the Gatti's body and a second autopsy at at the request of the family. The family has retained an American pathologist who assist with the autopsy over the weekend. The second autopsy was requested after Brazilian police ruled that Gatti committed suicide on July 11 while vacationing with his wife and 10-month-old son. Gatti's 23-year-old Brazilian wife, Amanda Rodrigues, was the prime suspect and was held in custody by Brazilian authorties since July 12. A judge ordered her release after police determined that Gatti was not murdered based on an autopsy that suggested the fighter hanged himself.

The original theory by detectives was that Gatti passed out in their rented apartment after drinking all night and his wife strangled him with her purse strap and caused injury to the back of his head with a table knife. A blood stained purse strap was recovered at the scene. Police believe that Gatti was dead for eight to ten hours before his wife alerted them. The couple had been involved in a violent fight prior to returning back to the resort.

Under heavy fire, Brazilian police released more details about Gatti's death. Gatti is alleged to have hanged himself with the purse strap that he tied around a wooden staircase column about seven feet off the ground. Police say he looping it around his neck and then kicking the stool from underneath his body.

Gatti was said to have been found on the floor several hours by his wife, who assumed the fighter passed out from drinking. A crime scene analysis found markings on the staircase column. Gatti's wife claims to have went downstairs at 6am, saw Gatti laying on the floor and went back upstairs to tend to their son. When she returned back down at 9am, she realized the fighter was dead.

No suicide note was found.

Police interviewed 17 witnesses about the fighting between Gatti and Rodrigues on the night before his death. Police reports state the couple had a loud verbal dispute on the street after Gatti drank about seven beers and two bottles of wine. Gatti tossed his wife during the fight and caused injury to her chin and left arm. A security guard for a local hotel tried to intervene and was alleged to have been punched in the face by Gatti.

As the violence broke out, witnesses told police that a small crowd gathered at the scene and started throwing rocks at Gatti. One of the rocks hit Gatti to the back of the head. Police now believe that was cause of the wound behind Gatti's head, and not the small table knife that was found near his dead body. The fight was broken up and the couple left in separate taxis back to their apartment.

After she was released from prison, Rodrigues told the AP that she fought often with Gatti and blamed his fear of divorce as the motivation for the suicide.

"I believe that when we got home and he saw that he hurt me, he thought I would leave him, that I would tell him to just let me go, that I would separate from him,'' she said. "He did that in a moment of weakness. He was drunk, maybe he didn't know what he was doing, maybe he thought I would leave him the next day.''

Gatti's family will await the results of the second autopsy.

Re: Patholgist reveals Gatti hung for 3 hours

Posted: 01 Aug 2009, 07:43
by Autobarn
G0mez wrote:Well im sure if i came home drunk and tried to hang myself from the bloody staircase i think either my mrs or my baby son would hear something dont you ??

Must have been a hell of a handbag to generate enough rope to strangle a 12 stone man for 3+ hours.

Usually when something dont add up it's because it's total bullcrap.

If he was a suicide-merchant then i doubt he'd do it in the place, yards from where his baby son slept !

I think she smashed him round the back of the head, before choking him whilst he was semi-concious. Then my spin is that she endeavoured to string him up to look like he hung himself from somewhere high up. Either on her own or with help.
interesting that it was on some stairs. sometimes killers who want to "lead" someone to a noose, will have the noose on some stairs. for instance no one will fall for being led up a ladder. stairs obviously less suspicious than a ladder for the intended victim.

Re: Patholgist reveals Gatti hung for 3 hours

Posted: 01 Aug 2009, 07:48
by Coco
Gatti always struck me as a nice, decent guy, stories of him being a woman beater aren't nice to hear

Re: Patholgist reveals Gatti hung for 3 hours

Posted: 01 Aug 2009, 08:01
by banjo
Wasn't Gatti arrested for beating a girlfriend/ex-girlfriend just a couple of months back?

Also wasn't he a bit of a hellraiser outside of the ropes anyway, I'm sure he had trouble in the 90's or am I confused with somebody else?

Re: Patholgist reveals Gatti hung for 3 hours

Posted: 01 Aug 2009, 13:23
by Hopey
DavidPayne wrote:
Can anyone ever say "oh yes, I had him down as a suicide certainty" about anyone, instinctively you will always say "never, not him".
Just Robbie Williams and that may be just wishfull thinking

Re: Patholgist reveals Gatti hung for 3 hours

Posted: 01 Aug 2009, 13:27
by Hopey
banjo wrote:Wasn't Gatti arrested for beating a girlfriend/ex-girlfriend just a couple of months back?

Also wasn't he a bit of a hellraiser outside of the ropes anyway, I'm sure he had trouble in the 90's or am I confused with somebody else?
Nope you're right, he had a run in some years ago with cops in a service station while popped think he and drink did'nt mix well, actually met him in a bar in new york when there with some mates and he seemed really genuine guy and seemed taken aback that a load of englishmen knew who he was.

Re: Patholgist reveals Gatti hung for 3 hours

Posted: 01 Aug 2009, 13:32
by Hopey
Autobarn wrote:
G0mez wrote:Well im sure if i came home drunk and tried to hang myself from the bloody staircase i think either my mrs or my baby son would hear something dont you ??

Must have been a hell of a handbag to generate enough rope to strangle a 12 stone man for 3+ hours.

Usually when something dont add up it's because it's total bullcrap.

If he was a suicide-merchant then i doubt he'd do it in the place, yards from where his baby son slept !

I think she smashed him round the back of the head, before choking him whilst he was semi-concious. Then my spin is that she endeavoured to string him up to look like he hung himself from somewhere high up. Either on her own or with help.
interesting that it was on some stairs. sometimes killers who want to "lead" someone to a noose, will have the noose on some stairs. for instance no one will fall for being led up a ladder. stairs obviously less suspicious than a ladder for the intended victim.
The f*%kin noose bit would get me suspicious, ladder or not :lol:

Re: Patholgist reveals Gatti hung for 3 hours

Posted: 01 Aug 2009, 14:13
by Rocky Balboa
Its hard not to think the worse of someone, but if Arturo Gatti did indeed committ suicide, then I wish his wife all the very best!

If another autopsy or further investigation concludes it was suicide then maybe apologies will be coming to Arturo's wife!

Re: Patholgist reveals Gatti hung for 3 hours

Posted: 01 Aug 2009, 15:12
by jamesmcdonnell
DavidPayne wrote:I believe anyone is capable of committing suicide. And furthermore, do we always have to assume incompetence or other influences when a poor country comes up with a verdict.

Why should we presuume that?

Can anyone ever say "oh yes, I had him down as a suicide certainty" about anyone, instinctively you will always say "never, not him".
Exactly! how many times do families say after a suicide, "i just don't get it, he seemed so happy, so full of life, he had everything to live for."

my ex girlfriend was happily married, and had a child with her french husband, and on their daughter's second birthday, during the party, he slashed his throat and killed himself. go figure.