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elmersalsa wrote:At 135lbs, Duran was so dominant I cannot see the great Manny Pacquiao do something special. Of matter of fact, I don't see Pacman beating these guys at 135:
Joe Brown
Ken Buchanan
Esteban DeJesus
Ismael Laguna
Carlos Ortiz
Julio Cesar Chavez
Aaron Pryor
Ike Williams
Ray Lampkin
Alexis Arguello

All those guys above, and I could mention some more, would beat the crap out of Manny. Is that today's boxing is not good and very terrible.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:I honestly think this isn't especially competitive beyond round three or four --- Duran would brutalise him. I think Pacquiao's speed & power make this real exciting for those opening few rounds, but, even though he's progressed a lot since the fight I'm about to mention, it's still valid to me to note how off-put Pacquiao was by Sanchez's drity tactics. Roach had zero answers for it in the corner, & swore they'd never meet again because of the fouling.

Pacquiao's come a long way, & beaten bigger men, but he was hurt, cut, & discouraged at 130lbs. by Marquez. He was out-pointed at the same weight by a sliding (though still capable) Morales. How's he going to cope with one of the greatest Lightweights --- nay, fighting machines --- who ever lived, & one whose fought as high as Middleweight & beyond, no less? A man big enough & bad enough to defeat a prime Leonard on Sugar Ray's own turf (147lbs.) & last the distance against friggin' Middleweight legend Marvin Hagler is the victim of no man who started at Pacquiao's weight --- not even the great Pacquiao himself.

Pacquiao quits in the corner after ten. He looks like absolute hell, & took only the first two rounds. In terms of greatness, Pacquiao is fast catching Duran, in my estimation, though that will upset some --- but he's not catching anything but a beating at 135lbs.

A better, more even contest would be the monster-hitting (but inexperienced) Lightweight version of De La Hoya against the 135lb. Pacquiao. The Pacquiao who fought Diaz against the Lightweight models of Casamayor, Castillo, & Corrales, for that matter, would all be more closely-contested, IMO.

jugg2000 wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:I honestly think this isn't especially competitive beyond round three or four --- Duran would brutalise him. I think Pacquiao's speed & power make this real exciting for those opening few rounds, but, even though he's progressed a lot since the fight I'm about to mention, it's still valid to me to note how off-put Pacquiao was by Sanchez's drity tactics. Roach had zero answers for it in the corner, & swore they'd never meet again because of the fouling.

Pacquiao's come a long way, & beaten bigger men, but he was hurt, cut, & discouraged at 130lbs. by Marquez. He was out-pointed at the same weight by a sliding (though still capable) Morales. How's he going to cope with one of the greatest Lightweights --- nay, fighting machines --- who ever lived, & one whose fought as high as Middleweight & beyond, no less? A man big enough & bad enough to defeat a prime Leonard on Sugar Ray's own turf (147lbs.) & last the distance against friggin' Middleweight legend Marvin Hagler is the victim of no man who started at Pacquiao's weight --- not even the great Pacquiao himself.

Pacquiao quits in the corner after ten. He looks like absolute hell, & took only the first two rounds. In terms of greatness, Pacquiao is fast catching Duran, in my estimation, though that will upset some --- but he's not catching anything but a beating at 135lbs.

A better, more even contest would be the monster-hitting (but inexperienced) Lightweight version of De La Hoya against the 135lb. Pacquiao. The Pacquiao who fought Diaz against the Lightweight models of Casamayor, Castillo, & Corrales, for that matter, would all be more closely-contested, IMO.

Get ahold of yourself, man... *slap, slap*

What ur saying about Duran is what people will say about Pacquiao about 10 to 15 years from now. This may sound corny, but I call this the "Ali Effect". Everybody says "Ali would beat such and such..." and "Ali is the greatest, he'd beat so and so fighter..." The reality is that if Ali would of faced off against a young Tyson, Ali would be Ali no more. Now compare Frazier against Tyson... see the difference? Just because Ali was a PAST great fighter IN HIS DAY... doesn't warrant somebody to assume he'd beat even the least of today's heavyweights.

Ok, Duran was a legend... we got that, but come on... really? He'd beat Pacquiao... really? Gauranteed when we are all old and bent over, we'll be saying Pacquiao, Floyd, Cotto, or whoever else is the greatest. Also, unlike Ali, Duran wasn't the first of his kind. There were many men cut from the same cloth, on the flip side, nobody to date fights like Pacquiao. If hey continues to win and improve, he'll be the biggest legend in our era (next to Tyson).

And I'm not a Pacquiao fan... Ima Marquez and Williams fan. I'm just real with my thinking.

-jugg

jugg2000 wrote:

I Feel Fine wrote:Most of Duran's Lightweight title fights went deep, especially against better opponents. If its 12 I'll pick Duran by decision, if its 15 then maybe Duran stops him late.

Decision how??? Explain what exactly would Duran do to win a decision? I would have respected a possible knock out, but you think Duran by decision? Do you not realize Pacquiao is one speed from round 1 to 12... and I'm certain 15? Duran got beat by Leonard because Leonard boxed him... and really, clowned him the second time around. If Duran got frustrated with Leonard (whom I don't think is better than Pacquiao), imagine what Pacquiao would do... and there won't be no clownin goin on either.


-jugg

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jugg2000 wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:I honestly think this isn't especially competitive beyond round three or four --- Duran would brutalise him. I think Pacquiao's speed & power make this real exciting for those opening few rounds, but, even though he's progressed a lot since the fight I'm about to mention, it's still valid to me to note how off-put Pacquiao was by Sanchez's drity tactics. Roach had zero answers for it in the corner, & swore they'd never meet again because of the fouling.

Pacquiao's come a long way, & beaten bigger men, but he was hurt, cut, & discouraged at 130lbs. by Marquez. He was out-pointed at the same weight by a sliding (though still capable) Morales. How's he going to cope with one of the greatest Lightweights --- nay, fighting machines --- who ever lived, & one whose fought as high as Middleweight & beyond, no less? A man big enough & bad enough to defeat a prime Leonard on Sugar Ray's own turf (147lbs.) & last the distance against friggin' Middleweight legend Marvin Hagler is the victim of no man who started at Pacquiao's weight --- not even the great Pacquiao himself.

Pacquiao quits in the corner after ten. He looks like absolute hell, & took only the first two rounds. In terms of greatness, Pacquiao is fast catching Duran, in my estimation, though that will upset some --- but he's not catching anything but a beating at 135lbs.

A better, more even contest would be the monster-hitting (but inexperienced) Lightweight version of De La Hoya against the 135lb. Pacquiao. The Pacquiao who fought Diaz against the Lightweight models of Casamayor, Castillo, & Corrales, for that matter, would all be more closely-contested, IMO.

Get ahold of yourself, man... *slap, slap*

What ur saying about Duran is what people will say about Pacquiao about 10 to 15 years from now. This may sound corny, but I call this the "Ali Effect". Everybody says "Ali would beat such and such..." and "Ali is the greatest, he'd beat so and so fighter..." The reality is that if Ali would of faced off against a young Tyson, Ali would be Ali no more. Now compare Frazier against Tyson... see the difference? Just because Ali was a PAST great fighter IN HIS DAY... doesn't warrant somebody to assume he'd beat even the least of today's heavyweights.

Ok, Duran was a legend... we got that, but come on... really? He'd beat Pacquiao... really? Gauranteed when we are all old and bent over, we'll be saying Pacquiao, Floyd, Cotto, or whoever else is the greatest. Also, unlike Ali, Duran wasn't the first of his kind. There were many men cut from the same cloth, on the flip side, nobody to date fights like Pacquiao. If hey continues to win and improve, he'll be the biggest legend in our era (next to Tyson).

And I'm not a Pacquiao fan... Ima Marquez and Williams fan. I'm just real with my thinking.

-jugg

I think the Tyson - Ali road is well travelled, but to be fair to Ali, you shouldn't judge him on his performance against Frazier.

It's plain to see that he isn't the same fighter that he was previously.

As we all know, the best we ever saw of Ali was in 1966 & 1967 & that's the Ali you should really judge.

AngryGoon38 wrote:

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jugg2000 wrote: Get ahold of yourself, man... *slap, slap*

What ur saying about Duran is what people will say about Pacquiao about 10 to 15 years from now. This may sound corny, but I call this the "Ali Effect". Everybody says "Ali would beat such and such..." and "Ali is the greatest, he'd beat so and so fighter..." The reality is that if Ali would of faced off against a young Tyson, Ali would be Ali no more. Now compare Frazier against Tyson... see the difference? Just because Ali was a PAST great fighter IN HIS DAY... doesn't warrant somebody to assume he'd beat even the least of today's heavyweights.

Ok, Duran was a legend... we got that, but come on... really? He'd beat Pacquiao... really? Gauranteed when we are all old and bent over, we'll be saying Pacquiao, Floyd, Cotto, or whoever else is the greatest. Also, unlike Ali, Duran wasn't the first of his kind. There were many men cut from the same cloth, on the flip side, nobody to date fights like Pacquiao. If hey continues to win and improve, he'll be the biggest legend in our era (next to Tyson).

And I'm not a Pacquiao fan... Ima Marquez and Williams fan. I'm just real with my thinking.

-jugg

I think the Tyson - Ali road is well travelled, but to be fair to Ali, you shouldn't judge him on his performance against Frazier.

It's plain to see that he isn't the same fighter that he was previously.

As we all know, the best we ever saw of Ali was in 1966 & 1967 & that's the Ali you should really judge.

You mean, 64-67.

First Liston bout was in 64.