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DG. wrote:But I bet Scott Harrison is?

Ash-Weston wrote:1. Joe Calzaghe
2. Nigel Benn
3. Chris Eubank
4. Llloyd Honeyghan
5. Lennox Lewis
6. Ricky Hatton
7.Naseem Hamed
8. Michael Watson
9. Barry Mcguigan
10. Duke Mckenzie

Please note that this is a list of boxers who have either watched on telly or seen in my lifetime....or live lol

martin_g91 wrote:Loads of great lists. Whilst I'm still working on my order, I must say the first things that spring to my mind:

EVERY list, should have Hamed on it !

And NO list, should have Lewis on it !

is that to say all the kids of the UK and US troops that were staioned in Germany at the time are now Germans?

mrrocco wrote:I do find it odd lennox is easily the top ranked when he got flattened twice by two journeyman types......

You wouldn't hear the end of it if Joe Calzaghe had been flattened by Omar Sheika and say Charles Brewer.

People also moan about Calzaghe never facing the top rivals in their prime.....Lewis didn't fight Riddick Bowe either and fought and an old Tyson and Holyfield.

I also find ot odd that some people say the prime reason pertaining to nationality is wherte one was born.....is that to say all the kids of the UK and US troops that were staioned in Germany at the time are now Germans?

I think defining someone's nationality is a hard thing - I would suggest the best parameters are the passport they hold and what country they feel the closest to....

But in this world where movement and migration are far easier than before it is hard to define such rules.

I personally feel Lennox came back to the UK primarily for financial reasons - IE in the UK boxing is a much bigger sport than Canada and the UK have been desperate for a UK world heavy champ.

If Lennox had decided to base himself in Canada he would have made less money and if he had based himself in the States he would have been just anpther up and coming heavy, and a foreign one at that....but come top the UK and suddenly you got an entire boxing-mad country behind you.

For those reasons I struggle with Lennox as 'British'.....I may be wrong.

HE seems to live in MIami - I am not sure he has ever owned a house in the UK??? ALso - what passport does he hold? Is it a UK passport or a Canadian passport....I have no idea

mrrocco wrote:I do find it odd lennox is easily the top ranked when he got flattened twice by two journeyman types......

mrrocco wrote:Lewis didn't fight Riddick Bowe either and fought and an old Tyson and Holyfield.

Horse wrote:1. Jimmy Wilde
2. Robert Fitzsimmons
3. Ted "kid" Lewis
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Freddie Welsh
6. Joe Calzaghe
7. Jackie "Kid" Berg
8. Lloyd Honeyghan
9. Jimmy McLarnin
10. Naseem Hamed


This was done just over a year ago.

http://forum.boxrec.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=81953
http://forum.boxrec.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=82502

banjo wrote:

martin_g91 wrote:Loads of great lists. Whilst I'm still working on my order, I must say the first things that spring to my mind:

EVERY list, should have Hamed on it !

And NO list, should have Lewis on it !

Really? Why?

martin_g91 wrote:They just both stick out to me as examples of a boxer being: Very OVER rated (Lewis) and very UNDER rated (Hamed)

Hamed unfortunatly seems to be suffering from his outside the ropes antics overshadowing what he achieved inside the ropes. This is like Eubank. The first thing that springs to most peoples minds is a truck driving nutter dressed like lord of the manor who signs up for too many celeb tv shows and adverts. He could REALLY fight ! And had a chin like granit !
I fear that the rope flipping, carpet flying, top of the pops Hamed is suffering the same way. He was a FANTASTIC natural talent who dominated his division. He was streets ahead of the rest at his peak.

Lewis for me waited out a dying division (some may say well managed). He stayed well clear of Tyson untill Tyson was well and truly gone. With no one else around he took up the mantle but to put it in perspective, Lewis never boxed a World Champion till be fought Holyfield and that was relativly late in his career. No one was happier to see Vitali Klitschlo stopped on a cut than Lewis (and I'm not a Klitschko fan). Nothing against him, he conducts himself well but with the timing of his record in the time of his division, I can't put him top ten of all time.

martin_g91 wrote:

banjo wrote:

martin_g91 wrote:Loads of great lists. Whilst I'm still working on my order, I must say the first things that spring to my mind:

EVERY list, should have Hamed on it !

And NO list, should have Lewis on it !

Really? Why?

They just both stick out to me as examples of a boxer being: Very OVER rated (Lewis) and very UNDER rated (Hamed)

Hamed unfortunatly seems to be suffering from his outside the ropes antics overshadowing what he achieved inside the ropes. This is like Eubank. The first thing that springs to most peoples minds is a truck driving nutter dressed like lord of the manor who signs up for too many celeb tv shows and adverts. He could REALLY fight ! And had a chin like granit !
I fear that the rope flipping, carpet flying, top of the pops Hamed is suffering the same way. He was a FANTASTIC natural talent who dominated his division. He was streets ahead of the rest at his peak.

Lewis for me waited out a dying division (some may say well managed). He stayed well clear of Tyson untill Tyson was well and truly gone. With no one else around he took up the mantle but to put it in perspective, Lewis never boxed a World Champion till be fought Holyfield and that was relativly late in his career. No one was happier to see Vitali Klitschlo stopped on a cut than Lewis (and I'm not a Klitschko fan). Nothing against him, he conducts himself well but with the timing of his record in the time of his division, I can't put him top ten of all time.

banjo wrote:

martin_g91 wrote:They just both stick out to me as examples of a boxer being: Very OVER rated (Lewis) and very UNDER rated (Hamed)

Hamed unfortunatly seems to be suffering from his outside the ropes antics overshadowing what he achieved inside the ropes. This is like Eubank. The first thing that springs to most peoples minds is a truck driving nutter dressed like lord of the manor who signs up for too many celeb tv shows and adverts. He could REALLY fight ! And had a chin like granit !
I fear that the rope flipping, carpet flying, top of the pops Hamed is suffering the same way. He was a FANTASTIC natural talent who dominated his division. He was streets ahead of the rest at his peak.

Lewis for me waited out a dying division (some may say well managed). He stayed well clear of Tyson untill Tyson was well and truly gone. With no one else around he took up the mantle but to put it in perspective, Lewis never boxed a World Champion till be fought Holyfield and that was relativly late in his career. No one was happier to see Vitali Klitschlo stopped on a cut than Lewis (and I'm not a Klitschko fan). Nothing against him, he conducts himself well but with the timing of his record in the time of his division, I can't put him top ten of all time.

I agree with you on Hamed but can't on Lewis.

Lewis was the mandatory challenger for the WBC belt which Tyson won from Bruno, Don King did his best to keep Lewis from getting that title shot and allegedly offered Lewis step-a-side money so that Tyson could unify with Bruce Seldon and set up a bout with Holyfield. Lewis declined and complained to the WBC who ordered Tyson to defend against Lewis, Tyson went ahead with the Seldon fight and was then stripped of the WBC title. Don King did all of the avoiding not Lewis.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

banjo wrote:

martin_g91 wrote:They just both stick out to me as examples of a boxer being: Very OVER rated (Lewis) and very UNDER rated (Hamed)

Hamed unfortunatly seems to be suffering from his outside the ropes antics overshadowing what he achieved inside the ropes. This is like Eubank. The first thing that springs to most peoples minds is a truck driving nutter dressed like lord of the manor who signs up for too many celeb tv shows and adverts. He could REALLY fight ! And had a chin like granit !
I fear that the rope flipping, carpet flying, top of the pops Hamed is suffering the same way. He was a FANTASTIC natural talent who dominated his division. He was streets ahead of the rest at his peak.

Lewis for me waited out a dying division (some may say well managed). He stayed well clear of Tyson untill Tyson was well and truly gone. With no one else around he took up the mantle but to put it in perspective, Lewis never boxed a World Champion till be fought Holyfield and that was relativly late in his career. No one was happier to see Vitali Klitschlo stopped on a cut than Lewis (and I'm not a Klitschko fan). Nothing against him, he conducts himself well but with the timing of his record in the time of his division, I can't put him top ten of all time.

I agree with you on Hamed but can't on Lewis.

Lewis was the mandatory challenger for the WBC belt which Tyson won from Bruno, Don King did his best to keep Lewis from getting that title shot and allegedly offered Lewis step-a-side money so that Tyson could unify with Bruce Seldon and set up a bout with Holyfield. Lewis declined and complained to the WBC who ordered Tyson to defend against Lewis, Tyson went ahead with the Seldon fight and was then stripped of the WBC title. Don King did all of the avoiding not Lewis.

Lewis took the step aside money. He had no choice, either he took the money or Tyson would have avoided him anyway. Or was that on another occasion.

mrrocco wrote:Lernnox is the best Canadian boxer ever...but doesn't belong on this list. HE represented Canada in the Olympics,not Britain and after his mother left has never lived here.The fact he was born here ishardly the be all and end all.

Ethincally due to an English mum Kessler is Half-english so why do we consider Lennox British and not KEssler?

That's one of the difficult things in determining 'nationality' - is it birthplace? Is it passport? Is it bloodline? Is it where the individual thinks he belongs?

I would say the latter, but Lennox has said he is Jamican-British-Canadian and a man of the world....so basically distances himself a bit...anyway - herte is my list. bearing in mind the difficuty of classification -

• Joe calzaghe
  Lennox Lewis (if he can be considered British)
  ken buchannan
  Naseem Hamed
  lloyd Honeyghan
  BEnny Lynch
  Jimmy Wilde
  Bob Fitzsimmonds (if he can be considered British)
  Nigel Benn
  Ricky Hatton

MichaelBisping that he is in fact not British at all, but a Cypriot!

banjo wrote:my oldest sister was born on a British Army base in Germany which makes her British, if she'd been born off the base in a German hospital then she would be German and it's the same with Bisping in Cyprus if he'd been born in a public hospital off base he'd be Cypriot.

Horse wrote:

banjo wrote:my oldest sister was born on a British Army base in Germany which makes her British, if she'd been born off the base in a German hospital then she would be German and it's the same with Bisping in Cyprus if he'd been born in a public hospital off base he'd be Cypriot.

Why would she be German just because she was born on German soil?

Is that all nationality is? It sounds ridiculous to me.

banjo wrote:It is ridiculous but that's the way that this ridiculous world we live in works.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:If you are born in a foreign country, and your parents choose to reside there, they can apply for dual nationality, that's you're right, if you choose not to, that's also your right, however the right exists, and therefore you are incorrect.