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...... but is he right to slate them, when his co employees indulge in the same practice ?

Asterix wrote:I still don't get his point. How are forums killing boxing?

The simple fact is that they aren't - it's impossible to make a case for that.
Given that no-one is able to dispute that the main things hurting boxing are things like the multiple sham titles and constant mismatches, Dean Powell is far more complicit in the 'killing' of boxing than any poster on this forum.

Terry D wrote:Because snipes and jokes can become over the top, and can have an effect on people. Do you think there has never been a thread about a person that went a little bit too far? He also talks about the remarks made in relation to the putting together of boxing shows, how they can be ill-informed at times, or just plain daft (99% of my own posting would fall into this last one). I imagine that it is similar to trying to do your job with a constant babble going on in your ears. It may be nice babble at times, but it could also be pointless, fair enough, and insulting, which is less than fair.

Look at the stick Hatton has taken these past weeks, on a non-Hatton thread no less. A Witter-Alexander thread turns into a Hatton slagging session, with the usual stuff wheeled out. It all gets a bit daft. We all sit here bashing out our say, as we did last year, and the one before. If we'd have gone out and watched Witter's fights, instead of discussing the non-starter Hatton one ad nauseum, Junior may not have had to travel abroad for this title fight, he may have had the pull to bring Alexander over here, won as a consequence, and British boxing would be stronger, healthier (IE not dead) as a result. So there you have it, it is all Hatton's fault, again.

Ps I'm aware that there is more than a little bit of irony about posting a link onto a forum that takes you to an interview in which forums get a bit of criticism.

Shaggy,

Why on earth do you give Powell the benefit of doubt?

In my view his comments are inexcusable and out of order and they are a direct slant at the very fans who follow the sport so religiously.

great interview terry, good read.

The Law wrote:

MatthewS wrote:Is jealousy one of the things that make this sport a difficult one to be involved with?

I was saying this morning that jealousy in this business is the worst disease, because you can’t cure it. The other thing that’s made this business very difficult are these stupid forums on the Internet, they are killing it. It is an open invitation for people who don’t know what they are talking about; anyone can get a username and log onto them. They are not moderated properly, someone thinks ‘I don’t like the look of him’ and then start up criticism of that person online. It can destroy people.

funny that, i thought that by buying the tickets and PPVs, we were PAYING YOUR FCUKING WAGES!

prat.

To be fair to Dean, a lot of boxing forums are not moderated properly, so he does have a point. However, all forums shouldn't be tarred with the same brush. Furthermore, freedom of speech is a good thing and we must listen to constructive criticism at times, whether it be fully deserved or not. We can't all be surrounded with 'yes men'. Forums are a good medium on which boxing fans can express their opinions (whether their opinions are logical or not). After all, boxing would be dead without the fans ....

I think people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. They have some of the worst offenders on boxing forums. It's easy for them to point the finger, but they should also look internally at their own actions first and set an example, or at least make an effort to, not lower themselves just because others do.

Another alternative is actually listening to their customers constructive opinions, instead of telling them they're idiots via a sweeping statement. I can't think of any other company that would have that kind of business model.

I agree with 26, Terry should do the same for all Promoters. Make an interesting contrast of views.

Newsflash: Bitter, old (orange) boxing guy hates 21st century technology? You don't say! It weren't like that back in the old days...

To All Forum Users,
I am writing in response to this post, regarding my interview with Terry Dooley on Friday August 21st in Boxing News & http://www.boxingnewsonline.net
The point that i was trying to make to Terry & maybe it came across wrong, was that i dont like the use of this or any other forum to be used as a vehicle for personal attacks or sometimes absolute slanderous remarks about myself or any of my fellow proffesionals. Terry will tell you himself, that he & i sat down a long time ago, after he himself had made some very tainted comments about myself. he agreed whole heartedly with my points raised in our discussion & admitted that some of his personal comments, not just about me, but other fellow proffesionals, were somewhat below the belt.
I totally agree with all of you that this & and any other forum used in the correct manor, is a real great vehicle for you the boxing fans & fellow proffesionals to air your respective views & opinons.
Regarding the rest of the interview, there were many points & great stories that i did no get the chance to put across. particularly regarding the network of fellow matchmakers & agents, whom without their help & assistance over the years, my job would have been impossible.
Phillippe Fondu, Johhny Bos, Olaf Schroder, Graham Lockwood, Terry Toole, the late & great Ernie Fossey & Dennie Mancini, John Ingle, Harry Holland, amongst many others are people whose help, assistance & knowledege has been invaluable, both past, present & i am sure the future.
* To Be Continued *

The most alarming thing in all this, is simply that the 'old guard' fail to realise that following boxing has been reduced to forum activity. Let's face it. THIS is the only place where boxing matters anymore. You can't talk about boxing to mates, family or down the pub. It's become so marginalised that, without these 'stupid places', the sport would effectively vanish. Nobody cares anymore. Rather than embrace that fact and try to do something about it, the old guard are more interested in pretending it simply isn't the case.

'Oh, it's just those stupid Internet idiots spouting off again. Forget it.'
'Yeah. How many tickets have we sold this week?'
'Only 400 last time I checked.'
'Shit. Fetch the black curtains, will you?'

News travels fast lol... will DP ever come across Boxingchat? Or will we never see them in the room at the same time?

Dean - fair point mate, it did come across in the piece - the way I read it anyway - that you regarded the whole scene as rotten and a bad thing all over, happy to read that isnt the case. I retract calling you a prat.

"DAMAGE"



"DAMAGE"



(all in good jest)

I do agree though, you can pick any username and say what you want, without seeing the consequences. Sometimes, we don't see the effects or the consequences of what we are writing, and perhaps this is something that needs to be addressed. I just think it means people say what they REALLY feel, that ppl can be brutally honest whether they're right or wrong. I rekcon if there had been the Internet in the Benn/Eubank/Bruno era, when ppl seemed to be more passionate, with love 'im/loath 'im big personalities, we may have seen some right absuse written. Personally, i think the British forum on BoxRec is the best place for boxing discussion. Apart from the day in which me and some subnormals spoke about Chad Dawson in a Yorkshire barber shop, for hours on end, there aren't many opportunities to talk with locals about boxing.

One thing though - why is so much forum stuff so negative, why are so many ppl unhappy with boxing? Perhaps this needs addressing, as much as anything else.

Dean Powell wrote: i dont like the use of this or any other forum to be used as a vehicle for personal attacks or sometimes absolute slanderous remarks about myself or any of my fellow proffesionals.

And that is completely fair comment that I'm sure will be supported by the overwhelming majority of posters on here.

Lets not go over the top now. Dean has explained himself, maybe his initial statement was worded incorrectly and 'came across wrong'. Sometimes boxing forum members are like vultures surrounding a carcass, just let it be.

(ok, you can all criticise me now for the above statement.... )

Dean Powell wrote:To All Forum Users,
I am writing in response to this post, regarding my interview with Terry Dooley on Friday August 21st in Boxing News & http://www.boxingnewsonline.net
The point that i was trying to make to Terry & maybe it came across wrong, was that i dont like the use of this or any other forum to be used as a vehicle for personal attacks or sometimes absolute slanderous remarks about myself or any of my fellow proffesionals. Terry will tell you himself, that he & i sat down a long time ago, after he himself had made some very tainted comments about myself. he agreed whole heartedly with my points raised in our discussion & admitted that some of his personal comments, not just about me, but other fellow proffesionals, were somewhat below the belt.
I totally agree with all of you that this & and any other forum used in the correct manor, is a real great vehicle for you the boxing fans & fellow proffesionals to air your respective views & opinons.
Regarding the rest of the interview, there were many points & great stories that i did no get the chance to put across. particularly regarding the network of fellow matchmakers & agents, whom without their help & assistance over the years, my job would have been impossible.
Phillippe Fondu, Johhny Bos, Olaf Schroder, Graham Lockwood, Terry Toole, the late & great Ernie Fossey & Dennie Mancini, John Ingle, Harry Holland, amongst many others are people whose help, assistance & knowledege has been invaluable, both past, present & i am sure the future.
* To Be Continued *

I'm glad you've explained what you meant. Thanks for that, Dean. Many of us come to this forum because we can rarely talk boxing in the same way in our everyday lives. The vast majority don't come on here to slate people. And I think you can quite quickly gauge who is trying to stir up trouble. The best thing is just to ignore them.

I think all of the boxers who visit here (Jamie Moore, Tony Bellew, Frankie Gavin, etc.) have had bad things said about them, but when they just ignore it then nothing comes of it. Moore and Bellew have been exemplary. Gavin got worked up by a post (and it was just one guy, someone who had sh*t stirred before), and we saw it was not good for his image. He calmed down and started answering questions away from the subject, then everything was cool. It's quite straight forward, in the end.

Dean Powell wrote:To All Forum Users,
I am writing in response to this post, regarding my interview with Terry Dooley on Friday August 21st in Boxing News & http://www.boxingnewsonline.net
The point that i was trying to make to Terry & maybe it came across wrong, was that i dont like the use of this or any other forum to be used as a vehicle for personal attacks or sometimes absolute slanderous remarks about myself or any of my fellow proffesionals. Terry will tell you himself, that he & i sat down a long time ago, after he himself had made some very tainted comments about myself. he agreed whole heartedly with my points raised in our discussion & admitted that some of his personal comments, not just about me, but other fellow proffesionals, were somewhat below the belt.
I totally agree with all of you that this & and any other forum used in the correct manor, is a real great vehicle for you the boxing fans & fellow proffesionals to air your respective views & opinons.
Regarding the rest of the interview, there were many points & great stories that i did no get the chance to put across. particularly regarding the network of fellow matchmakers & agents, whom without their help & assistance over the years, my job would have been impossible.
Phillippe Fondu, Johhny Bos, Olaf Schroder, Graham Lockwood, Terry Toole, the late & great Ernie Fossey & Dennie Mancini, John Ingle, Harry Holland, amongst many others are people whose help, assistance & knowledege has been invaluable, both past, present & i am sure the future.
* To Be Continued *

Mr Powell,

If it is you!!

Its an absolute fact - that it is not just the fans who have used this forum to vent their opinions and yes I concede lots have been close to the bone - however as stated its not just the fans that have done this - many promotional firm personalities have used this and many other forums as a vehicle to send out their press releases - or some have come on here to start the "rumour wagon" on a particular personality or fight - If I am incorrect on this point how come many many stories have indeed broken on these very forums!!!

So - if boxing promotional firms or its personalities use this and other forums as vehicle for the "nice" bits - surely the phrase - you should be able to take the rough with the smooth comes to the fore - why is it laughable or acceptable for posters to take sh*t from posters like "boxingchat" who you may very well know - but yet as soon as posters from the public vent their fury on a particular boxing matter it becomes unacceptable!!!

Eraserhead wrote:The most alarming thing in all this, is simply that the 'old guard' fail to realise that following boxing has been reduced to forum activity. Let's face it. THIS is the only place where boxing matters anymore. You can't talk about boxing to mates, family or down the pub. It's become so marginalised that, without these 'stupid places', the sport would effectively vanish. Nobody cares anymore. Rather than embrace that fact and try to do something about it, the old guard are more interested in pretending it simply isn't the case.

'Oh, it's just those stupid Internet idiots spouting off again. Forget it.'
'Yeah. How many tickets have we sold this week?'
'Only 400 last time I checked.'
'poop. Fetch the black curtains, will you?'

Some of what you have stated is completely correct!!! - but how dare we say it - only people within boxing are allowed to criticise.

Deserter wrote:

Asterix wrote:I still don't get his point. How are forums killing boxing?

The simple fact is that they aren't - it's impossible to make a case for that.
Given that no-one is able to dispute that the main things hurting boxing are things like the multiple sham titles and constant mismatches, Dean Powell is far more complicit in the 'killing' of boxing than any poster on this forum.

* Continued *
My time @ Panix was also invaluable & Frank Maloney gave me the chance to work with many fighters, which toghether we formed a good team & turned into champions including JAMES OYEBOLA, MICHAEL HOLDEN, MARK POTTER, CHRIS OKOH, PAUL LLOYD, MICKY CANTWELL, PATRICK MULLINGS to name a few & also together helped many other boxers become good proffesionals.
One of my most memorable & happy periods was working alongside Franks brother Eugene, who was a real likeable rogue & a fantastic character. He put so much effort & energy in developing his shows, particularly his Sunday afternoon promotions The Elephant & Castle, which drew a fantastic following & carried on into East London @ York Hall.
Eugene also gave me a lot of help & support during the breakdown of my marrige, something that i will never forget him for, his friendship during that period was invaluable & i even stayed with him & his family for nearly six months !
" Thanks For Your Time " - DEAN POWELL

Thanks for the insight Dean. It would be great to have Eugene back putting on his small hall shows. He is quite a character. I know of his predicament and it's a pity.

The Law wrote:I know of his predicament and it's a pity.

Are you able to say what his predicament is (if it's a private matter fully understand if you don't reply)?

There is no doubt that Sports Networks promoter is senstive to the abuse dished out on these forums as your not even allowed to say his name on here without it being transeffered into allegedly.

To me Boxrec is quite mild

East Side Boxing for me - alot more abuse goes on there on Sports Network

FLINT ISLAND wrote:There is no doubt that Sports Networks promoter is senstive to the abuse dished out on these forums as your not even allowed to say his name on here without it being transeffered into allegedly.

To me Boxrec is quite mild

East Side Boxing for me - alot more abuse goes on there on Sports Network

Run along to Eastside Boxing then if you prefer forums with limited moderating. All you ever do is spam our forum with dozens of threads about Maccarinelli anyway

Here at boxrec we do have some quality control. For legal reasons we do have to moderate certain topics/posts.

British boxing people and fans are a bunch of drama queens who take these fan forums way too serious. - Unbelievable!

Deserter wrote:

The Law wrote:I know of his predicament and it's a pity.

Are you able to say what his predicament is (if it's a private matter fully understand if you don't reply)?

Definitely not for this forum!!! - Seriously!!!

I really liked Eugene - bloody good for boxing!!!

Spud wrote:

Deserter wrote:

The Law wrote:I know of his predicament and it's a pity.

Are you able to say what his predicament is (if it's a private matter fully understand if you don't reply)?

Definitely not for this forum!!! - Seriously!!!

I really liked Eugene - bloody good for boxing!!!

No worries

The Law wrote:Thanks for the insight Dean. It would be great to have Eugene back putting on his small hall shows. He is quite a character. I know of his predicament and it's a pity.

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