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granberry wrote:

raylawpc wrote:
I'm Swedish-American.

That explains a lot. LOL

Stick to bitter sarcasm grandma. It makes me laugh more.

It got to be Hearns vs Duran. It makes me laugh everytime I see it, even though Duran is one of my favorite fighters.

raylawpc wrote:'None of the above.'

My write-in: Ingemar Johansson KO 1 Eddie Machen. But I am a tad prejudiced - I'm Swedish-American.

Not sure if that fight is something to be proud of.

Ingo should have pulled up. The referee was a damn joke. He actually waved a greeting to someone ringside during the frickin fight. Unbelievable.Then he lets Ingo beat Machen unmercifully, then goes through the entire 10 count while Machen's seconds are trying to make sure he is still alive. The referee waves his hands dramatically when he finished counting to 10, as if Machen needed to be notified. All with the swedish crowd cheering blood thirstily and everybody congratulating Ingo with not many of those fuckers seemingly having a concern in the world for poor Eddie.

Pitiful.

yancey wrote:

raylawpc wrote:'None of the above.'

My write-in: Ingemar Johansson KO 1 Eddie Machen. But I am a tad prejudiced - I'm Swedish-American.

Not sure if that fight is something to be proud of.

Ingo should have pulled up. The referee was a damn joke. He actually waved a greeting to someone ringside during the frickin fight. Unbelievable.Then he lets Ingo beat Machen unmercifully, then goes through the entire 10 count while Machen's seconds are trying to make sure he is still alive. The referee waves his hands dramatically when he finished counting to 10, as if Machen needed to be notified. All with the swedish crowd cheering blood thirstily and everybody congratulating Ingo with not many of those fuckers seemingly having a concern in the world for poor Eddie.

Pitiful.

Thanks for the lecture on what one should and shouldn't be proud of. I'll certainly take it under advisement.

I have a few favourites

Henry Cooper vs Joe Erskine
Julian Jackson vs Herol Graham
Tommy Hearns vs Roberto Duran

Gatti-Gamache

raylawpc wrote:

yancey wrote:

raylawpc wrote:'None of the above.'

My write-in: Ingemar Johansson KO 1 Eddie Machen. But I am a tad prejudiced - I'm Swedish-American.

Not sure if that fight is something to be proud of.

Ingo should have pulled up. The referee was a damn joke. He actually waved a greeting to someone ringside during the frickin fight. Unbelievable.Then he lets Ingo beat Machen unmercifully, then goes through the entire 10 count while Machen's seconds are trying to make sure he is still alive. The referee waves his hands dramatically when he finished counting to 10, as if Machen needed to be notified. All with the swedish crowd cheering blood thirstily and everybody congratulating Ingo with not many of those fuckers seemingly having a concern in the world for poor Eddie.

Pitiful.

Thanks for the lecture on what one should and shouldn't be proud of. I'll certainly take it under advisement.

No problem. Glad I could help.

Damn.....and I had forgotten just what a brutal sport Boxing can be, and ol Yancey has to go and bring back all those vivid memories.....of what I often refer to as "the good ol' days".

Buzz, I wonder if yancy thinks Dempsey should have backed off Willard, or Louis off Schmeling? And what about those bloodthristy folks in Toledo and Yankee Stadium?

If your opponent is unconscious or damn near it, you pull up.

Cooney should have pulled up against Norton. Norton was about four seconds from death, a doc later told him.

imo, Ingo should have pulled up against Machen......Eddie was in the same fix as Norton.

Boxing is a tough, primal sport, but there is a line.

I thought about this one a bit.
The worst one punch ko I think Ive ever seen was in the Chicago Golden Gloves. Amateur I know but nevertheless..
It was in the late seventies.
Former Middleweight contendor John Collins hit some kid with a right hand and sent his mouthpiece about ten rows back. Kid was out for awhile.
Long time ago but I remember it like it was yesterday. I was fighting that night also. The place was stunned silence for awhile.
Collins could really belt with that right hand.

Of the ones listed I guess I gotta go with Cooney -Norton.

Bob Foster v Dick Tiger
Bob Foster v Mike Quarry

The one against Quarry is scary

Ezzard wrote: Bob Foster v Mike Quarry

The one against Quarry is scary

I think even Foster was a little scared at how hard he hit him. "Don't hook with a hooker"; best boxing expression.

Just to name some recent examples; two very unimpressive fighters, but Calvin Brock's KO of Lawrence was pretty devastating. Green against Codrington was a slaughter.

My own favorite knockout all time is Robinson-Fullmer II. Maybe the best left hook in boxing history.

Just saw Arguello-Rooney again. What this guy couldn't do with a well-timed shot.

scottmallon wrote:Mercer - Morrison was pretty brutal...it wasn't one or two punches that were gnarly, it was thirty something that absolutely destroyed Morrison.

None compare IMO.

Agreed. Any incidence when an already-knocked-out fighter is still being pounded is far worse than even the most sensational one-punch KO. And this, bar Griffith-Paret, is probably the worst example. It was even worse than Cooney-Norton, as there was more volume and Norton, stunned though he was, was not as "out" as Morrison.

yancey wrote:If your opponent is unconscious or damn near it, you pull up.

Cooney should have pulled up against Norton. Norton was about four seconds from death, a doc later told him.

imo, Ingo should have pulled up against Machen......Eddie was in the same fix as Norton.

Boxing is a tough, primal sport, but there is a line.

I think you put too much blame on the fighter.

In all the years I was in the gym, I never heard a trainer tell a fighter, "If you see your opponent is stunned, don't hit him again until you are sure he is not seriously injured. Wait a few seconds. Check with the referee. Better safe than sorry." Instead, what I heard was "Don't let up," and "Don't stop punching til he's on the canvas or the referee stops you."

Trainers drill the "keep punching / don't let up" mantra into a fighter's brain from the time the fighter is a rank amateur. When the fighter keeps punching, he is doing what he has been hardwired to do. Its hard to stop especially when the adrenalin is pumping, and your competitive instincts take over. The fighter is doing what been drilled into his head practically since practically his first day in the gym.

Instead, the blame falls on the referee, who is supposed to be looking out for the safety of the fighters. Don't blame the boxer.

Blaming the boxer shows lack of common sense or practical boxing knowledge. Holding up is not only dangerous, it is un-professional. It is the ref or the corner or the doctor's job to stop the fight. Machen's corner should have charged into the ring to stop the fight if they had to.

Ezzard wrote:Bob Foster v Dick Tiger
Bob Foster v Mike Quarry

The one against Quarry is scary

My son is a BIG MMA fan. Some months ago, we were discussing MMA's so-called strikers, and I stated my opinion that those guys really weren't very good punchers. My son, of course, disagreed.

As fate would have it, that night ESPN showed a replay of Foster-Quarry, and we watched it together.

After watching Foster nearly decapitate Mike with that hook, I heard my son mumble under his breath: "Damn . . . they really don't hit like that in the UFC. . . "

I said nothing, but I did gloat a bit.

How did you gloat without words, Ray?

Please, do elaborate on the expansive hand gestures

raylawpc wrote:

yancey wrote:If your opponent is unconscious or damn near it, you pull up.

Cooney should have pulled up against Norton. Norton was about four seconds from death, a doc later told him.

imo, Ingo should have pulled up against Machen......Eddie was in the same fix as Norton.

Boxing is a tough, primal sport, but there is a line.

I think you put too much blame on the fighter.

In all the years I was in the gym, I never heard a trainer tell a fighter, "If you see your opponent is stunned, don't hit him again until you are sure he is not seriously injured. Wait a few seconds. Check with the referee. Better safe than sorry." Instead, what I heard was "Don't let up," and "Don't stop punching til he's on the canvas or the referee stops you."

Trainers drill the "keep punching / don't let up" mantra into a fighter's brain from the time the fighter is a rank amateur. When the fighter keeps punching, he is doing what he has been hardwired to do. Its hard to stop especially when the adrenalin is pumping, and your competitive instincts take over. The fighter is doing what been drilled into his head practically since practically his first day in the gym.

Instead, the blame falls on the referee, who is supposed to be looking out for the safety of the fighters. Don't blame the boxer.

Agreed.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:How did you gloat without words, Ray?

Please, do elaborate on the expansive hand gestures

Its easy. From the Merriam-Webster Dictionary: "Gloat - to observe or think about something with triumphant and often malicious satisfaction, gratification, or delight <gloat over an enemy's misfortune>."

You can gloat without saying a word! Only thinking is required. DD

I just imagined you with comical expressions on your face & gesticulating in a bizarre fashion, without saying anything, which seemed funny to me

Goodnight, Irene wrote:I just imagined you with comical expressions on your face & gesticulating in a bizarre fashion, without saying anything, which seemed funny to me

I believe my only expression was a slightly bemused smile.

I voted for Cooney/ Norton, however, I can't believe this hasn't been mentioned.

Whitaker/ Hurtado was quite sickening, go to the 8:00 mark of this video if you don't know about it, watch the replays and you'll see Whitaker is hitting him flush. Horrible referee.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfhLQ2QALW8