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Re: Examples of decent fighters woefully out of their depth

Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 12:50
by PrideOfWales
I think Maccarinelli quite possibly have beaten Haye if he was still in his prime when they fought.

Re: Examples of decent fighters woefully out of their depth

Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 12:51
by FLINT ISLAND
Coco wrote:
Daveyswan wrote:What is it with this Flint bloke, Have you had a disagreement or something with enzo on a pxssed night in Barons .... Strange chap if you ask me.... obsessed! for heavens sake leave it go! please

Barons was a great place though!
:lol:

Full of horny older women who like to grope you :DD

Re: Examples of decent fighters woefully out of their depth

Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 12:52
by FLINT ISLAND
PrideOfWales wrote:I think Maccarinelli quite possibly have beaten Haye if he was still in his prime when they fought.

I think Haye is a class above - pllian and simple

However - Haye is flawed and had weaknessese himself - so Enzo has got a small chance of winning

But he gave himelf no chance - as he lost it mentally - he was more exposed mentally / confidence wise than anything else - he was beaten before a punch landed

Re: Examples of decent fighters woefully out of their depth

Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 12:55
by PrideOfWales
FLINT ISLAND wrote:
PrideOfWales wrote:I think Maccarinelli quite possibly have beaten Haye if he was still in his prime when they fought.

I think Haye is a class above - pllian and simple

However - Haye is flawed and had weaknessese himself - so Enzo has got a small chance of winning

But he gave himelf no chance - as he lost it mentally - he was more exposed mentally / confidence wise than anything else - he was beaten before a punch landed
Yes, but a lot of Maccarinelli's loss of confidence was due to the arguement with Enzo Calzaghe earlier in the day.

Re: Examples of decent fighters woefully out of their depth

Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 12:58
by FLINT ISLAND
PrideOfWales wrote:
FLINT ISLAND wrote:
PrideOfWales wrote:I think Maccarinelli quite possibly have beaten Haye if he was still in his prime when they fought.

I think Haye is a class above - pllian and simple

However - Haye is flawed and had weaknessese himself - so Enzo has got a small chance of winning

But he gave himelf no chance - as he lost it mentally - he was more exposed mentally / confidence wise than anything else - he was beaten before a punch landed
Yes, but a lot of Maccarinelli's loss of confidence was due to the arguement with Enzo Calzaghe earlier in the day.
I havent heard about this :o

Of course I know there was a mistake the week of the fight that upset his preparations

But what was the argument with Enzo Calzaghe about ?

I could just imagine - Enzo Calzaghe in a people carrier - driving Enzo Macc up to the O2 arena the night of the fight - and then Enzo I bet was complelty dreading it

People say he lost it at the weigh in - but I disagree

He lost it the afternoon / evening of the fight

And then when they arrived at the O2 arena he was s##tting bricks

Re: Examples of decent fighters woefully out of their depth

Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 12:59
by Colesy
Gary Jacobs v Buddy McGirt. Also ranks up there with the worst matchmaking of all time. Jacobs on the verge of a world title gets dismantled by the under rated McGirt.

Re: Examples of decent fighters woefully out of their depth

Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 13:00
by FLINT ISLAND
Adrian Stone V Shane Mosley.

Re: Examples of decent fighters woefully out of their depth

Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 13:03
by Chris W 1982
David Walker against Roman Karmazin

That whole night of boxing was brilliant. You had that, Holyfield/Toney, Casamayor/Corrales 1 and Morales/Espadas

Re: Examples of decent fighters woefully out of their depth

Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 13:03
by Hagler2002
Prescott-Khan

Re: Examples of decent fighters woefully out of their depth

Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 13:12
by FLINT ISLAND
Hatton V Pac Man

Re: Examples of decent fighters woefully out of their depth

Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 13:20
by Daveyswan
FLINT ISLAND wrote:
Coco wrote:
Daveyswan wrote:What is it with this Flint bloke, Have you had a disagreement or something with enzo on a pxssed night in Barons .... Strange chap if you ask me.... obsessed! for heavens sake leave it go! please

Barons was a great place though!
:lol:

Full of horny older women who like to grope you :DD
what about dirty doras then?? mumbles if i remeber correctly......

Re: Examples of decent fighters woefully out of their depth

Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 13:37
by tijuana1
Anyone said Rees against Kotelnik. Looked all one way to me.

Re: Examples of decent fighters woefully out of their depth

Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 13:59
by opticald
FLINT ISLAND wrote:Hatton V Pac Man
Good call. I would put Hatton vs Floyd in there but Floyd was just too safety first. He beat Hatton in every department though.

Re: Examples of decent fighters woefully out of their depth

Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 14:00
by McCannW14
Andy Holligan v JC Chavez

Re: Examples of decent fighters woefully out of their depth

Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 14:23
by Coco
Daveyswan wrote:

Barons was a great place though!
:lol:

Full of horny older women who like to grope you :DD[/quote]

what about dirty doras then?? mumbles if i remeber correctly......[/quote]

Dirty Dora's was in the Marina, plastic furniture, no drinks in glasses, people openly shooting up! Got closed down as well!lol
Cinderella's, Neptunes and one other that escapes my memory was in Mumbles

Re: Examples of decent fighters woefully out of their depth

Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 14:30
by Hagler2002
Julio Cesar Chavez V Greg Haugen

What a fornicating beat down that was :box:

Re: Examples of decent fighters woefully out of their depth

Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 14:38
by opticald
Zab Judah vs Cosme Rivera

Re: Examples of decent fighters woefully out of their depth

Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 15:00
by Hagler2002
Gatti V's DLH & Mayweather

Re: Examples of decent fighters woefully out of their depth

Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 16:06
by FLINT ISLAND
Coco wrote:
Daveyswan wrote:

Barons was a great place though!
:lol:

Full of horny older women who like to grope you :DD
what about dirty doras then?? mumbles if i remeber correctly......[/quote]

Dirty Dora's was in the Marina, plastic furniture, no drinks in glasses, people openly shooting up! Got closed down as well!lol
Cinderella's, Neptunes and one other that escapes my memory was in Mumbles[/quote]

I think you mean Bentleys Nightclub was also in the Mumbles.

Not to familar with all them marina places - full of homosexuals to my understanding - not my scene :roll:

Bit too young to remeber Doras and all that

But Barons is a place I frequented between 2002 until it shut about 2004 / 2005 or whenever

I actually met Frank Bruno in Barons when he was DJing there one night - and I got to shake his hand.......................................the following week he was all over the front pages after having that mental breakdown and being taken into mental hospital :o

Re: Examples of decent fighters woefully out of their depth

Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 16:17
by caffrey
roy jones jnr v everyone until tarver,he really was a class apart,shame he ll be remembered for getting sparked twice and carrying on too long

Re: Examples of decent fighters woefully out of their depth

Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 16:34
by dondada
Green v Leonard; lots of people v Naz.

But those are a bit unfair - you've got good fighters up against great fighters.

Hunter v Molitor is one.

Re: Examples of decent fighters woefully out of their depth

Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 16:39
by observer1
Hagler2002 wrote:Prescott-Khan
Doubt it.

Just one guy walking head first into another guy.

Considering Khan became champ in his next few fights, and prescott was last heard of losing a decision to some dude just shows Khan had a bad night.

Re: Examples of decent fighters woefully out of their depth

Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 16:42
by Hagler2002
observer1 wrote:
Hagler2002 wrote:Prescott-Khan
Doubt it.

Just one guy walking head first into another guy.

Considering Khan became champ in his next few fights, and prescott was last heard of losing a decision to some dude just shows Khan had a bad night.
Oh come on look at what he beat to become champ, the night he got beat off Prescott he was in with a natural lightweight puncher, when he gets in with another one it will be exactly the same outcome.

Re: Examples of decent fighters woefully out of their depth

Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 17:25
by Asterix
Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:Hunter v Molitor is one.
Then you move it up and say Molitor vs Caballero. :box:

Re: Examples of decent fighters woefully out of their depth

Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 17:29
by observer1
Hagler2002 wrote:
observer1 wrote:
Hagler2002 wrote:Prescott-Khan
Doubt it.

Just one guy walking head first into another guy.

Considering Khan became champ in his next few fights, and prescott was last heard of losing a decision to some dude just shows Khan had a bad night.
Oh come on look at what he beat to become champ, the night he got beat off Prescott he was in with a natural lightweight puncher, when he gets in with another one it will be exactly the same outcome.
Didn't he become champ at a higher weight class?