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Watch the cries of discrimination if they change the result(John Fury said the reason why Tyson didn't get a chance to go to Beijing was down to him being a traveller...He must have missed Billy Joe Saunders making the squad then!)

For that reason alone, Fury will keep the win.
Rematch has to happen.

Even if the board do nothing about the result, they may still review ways things are run and there's a chance that future fights will benefit from this injustice.

sg1985 wrote:Stop just throwing out allegations of cheating, you have no real reason to think he cheated.

Yes I have - I got two very good reasons - my two eyes - both got good vision

Spud wrote:Flint Island - if your posts are allowed to stay on this thread - I will be stunned.

If the moderators get rid of sh*t about a certain promoter then your posts calling the Referee a crook are bang out of order and you should be reprimanded for it.

This guy is dodgy - he needs for someone to have a go at him - Frank Maloney called him a disgrace - he might get reprimaneded for it - its still true though.

The guy jumped in and stopped Manfredo against Calzaghe - its just blatent crookedness.

It goes on in sport - and this guy is crooked.

At least Dick Turpin wore a mask when he robbed people - Maloney said.

With the sad news going around in boxing at the present time - please feel free to argue with yourself.

The guy jumped in and stopped Manfredo against Calzaghe - its just blatent crookedness.

Manfredo was doing nothing, was way out of his depth and shouldn't have even been in the ring against a fighter of Joe's standing.

One of the worst fighters to ever contest a world title.

This suddenly doesn't seem very important any more.

NorthEastBoxingFan wrote:

FLINT ISLAND wrote:Its the fighter I feel sorry for - all that hard work and pain and sacarifce - his livehood - his English Heavyweight title - his money - his bills to pay

taken from him because of a petty ref who could not take it the lads father smacked the poop out of him 30 years earlier

What a unprofessional man - get him out of this postion of trust and authority NOW

He is a disgrace to British Boxing as Frank Maloney said and making people think Boxing is governed by a bunch of jokers

i certainly feel that boxing is a joke but we don't know if losing to his Dad had a blind thing to do with it, come on. I very much doubt it. And besides, if he did get kayoed by the fella's Dad, why the f*ck should he want to take it out on his son. That's laughable IMO.

Yes, in all likelihood it is, but it IS also a conflict of interest which wouldn't be allowed in other sports. I agree such a motive is almost certainly unrealistic, but the Board also has to consider how certain things might look when controversy arises.

oliverfennell wrote:

NorthEastBoxingFan wrote:

FLINT ISLAND wrote:Its the fighter I feel sorry for - all that hard work and pain and sacarifce - his livehood - his English Heavyweight title - his money - his bills to pay

taken from him because of a petty ref who could not take it the lads father smacked the poop out of him 30 years earlier

What a unprofessional man - get him out of this postion of trust and authority NOW

He is a disgrace to British Boxing as Frank Maloney said and making people think Boxing is governed by a bunch of jokers

i certainly feel that boxing is a joke but we don't know if losing to his Dad had a blind thing to do with it, come on. I very much doubt it. And besides, if he did get kayoed by the fella's Dad, why the f*ck should he want to take it out on his son. That's laughable IMO.

Yes, in all likelihood it is, but it IS also a conflict of interest which wouldn't be allowed in other sports. I agree such a motive is almost certainly unrealistic, but the Board also has to consider how certain things might look when controversy arises.

Well the Dad thing twist - was just soemthing I heard on here and was repeating it - but it could have something to do with it - if so that is unprofessional.

However.

The main reason I think he gave the decsion to fury is simply - he was the young hyped up undefeated heavyweight with big expectations on his future - and he was influenced enough to know what the script should be and that script wasthat Furys arm should be raised at the end and his undefeated record remain intact and he goes on to bigger and better things.

there doesnt need to be an inquiery lots of people on other threads who scored it a draw or for mcderrmot have said how they could see it for fury and im 1 of them (i scored it for mcdermott) but its no robbery

Thought the people who originally scored it for Fury could now see it being a draw, with McDermott most likely being the winner..?

The uproar is not so much about the winner, but about the margin that he won by.

The scorecard.

jBacca wrote:Thought the people who originally scored it for Fury could now see it being a draw, with McDermott most likely being the winner..?

The uproar is not so much about the winner, but about the margin that he won by.

i dunno about that lots of people are saying mcdermott was cheated out of it when he wasnt

I think the issues will be the quality of the scoring, the conduct of Maloney and the system whereby a title fight is scored by just one man.

Changes might be made, the result won't be one of them.

Think, for example, of the uproar on betting sites if a result gets changed. Winnings have already been paid and cashed out- what happens to them?

I've said it before and I've said it again - I'd be amazed if the contest was declared a no contest (thereby allowing NEBF to perhaps get his stake back).

It would set a foolish precedent.

A rematch will be mandated, no doubt.

NorthEastBoxingFan wrote:
As for the second point, as I have stated, it would be grossly unfair to, and hinder his preparation, to make John contest a rematch under those circumstances, even if he agreed to it, unless the result was first made void.

I just dont see where you're coming from. I dont see Johns preperation being hindered, any decent sports psychologist could surely use it to his advantage. There was plenty of bad blood, and Fury was underhand a couple of times in the fight, most notably throwing a jab when Mcdermott offered his glove. I personally think Big John will go in knowing exactly what he has to do to win, and his trainers will pump him up to beat Fury (for a second time in their eyes) and win his belt back.

sg1985 wrote:

jBacca wrote:The scorecard.

How does a scorecard indicate cheating? He was clearly swayed by punches thrown. The scoring was terrible but I don't think it warrants calling the man a cheat.

It's a matter of opinion.

The ref scored it 98-92 to Fury which everyone agrees is a joke, the other poster believes there is cheating involved, you don't.

Personally i'm not sure, i don't like to think anything dodgy has happened so i'm on the wall, but i can see why the other poster thinks what he does.

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:I've said it before and I've said it again - I'd be amazed if the contest was declared a no contest (thereby allowing NEBF to perhaps get his stake back).

It would set a foolish precedent.

A rematch will be mandated, no doubt.

getting my stake back would be nice Ian, but I've forgotten about the money already. The bitter after taste is for the state of the game and what message this sends out to other boxers and fans alike.
I bet a not unsubstantial sum because as I've said I thought the bookies were wrong to give MaccyD no chance and I enjoyed pitting my wits against them. There's nothing worse than a gambler that fckin moans afterwards....I am not moaning about my money let's get that straight.

I was rooting for the KO, or stoppage, don't get me wrong, I didn't want to see the lad, or any for that matter, get hurt. But I also had 25 quid at 12-1 for MaccyD on points.........when the final bell went I was a tad disappointed not to have hit the jackpot but I was just utterly incredulous when Fury's hand was raised. I think it was either Watt or the commntator said.."has he raised Fury's hand by mistake, i.e. got mixed up. It was an utter foregone conclusion.

And I couldn't quote you the technical point on how rounds are scored.....bla bla bla , something effective aggression, meaningful punches and general ring-generalship..(lol I think I just have quoted it)......but what noone has pointed out is John Mcdermott stood in the centre of that ring all night and controlled the fight, he kept the bigger man, with the much bigger reach, out of the centre....it really was a terrific display from John (apart from his misguided spinning-top impersonations late on)

I suppose the one thing for O'connor is Fury threw so many more punches than Big John, sometimes, from the angle the ref is at, he cant tell if they are "point scoring" or not. Dont anyone think for one second O'Connor will go into this enquiry and say "uhhhh dunno", he's going to be well prepped and have plenty of evidence on why he scored each round as he did.

Bad day at the office?

Adamj1987 wrote:

jBacca wrote:Thought the people who originally scored it for Fury could now see it being a draw, with McDermott most likely being the winner..?

The uproar is not so much about the winner, but about the margin that he won by.

i dunno about that lots of people are saying mcdermott was cheated out of it when he wasnt

precisely jbacca.....presumably , according to the card, MaccyD would have had to have opened up a can of whup-ass even bigger than the one he did.....i.e. pull his trunks off to reveal a superman costume, in order to get those rounds scored in his favour.

Do you know.....it's a fckin wonder thinking about it that the fight wasn't scored 100-90

"nothing to do with bad day at the office" it was Crimminal with full intent an ordered from on high.

the money machine MUST keep rolling, this is the only motivation and at present Tyson Fury offers more of that than McDermott.

ALL of you should want boxing CLEANED - UP and stop siiting on the fence, it was bought and paid treachery; and NO we don't have to prove that.

We only need, as fans, scripes and participants to Demand a CLEAN UP of the SPORT, and DEMAND that the SPORT side of boxing TAKE PRECEDENCE OVER the Business of boxing!!!

jimglen wrote: ALL of you should want boxing CLEANED - UP and stop siiting on the fence

Careful mate on this forum you can be spoken to like you've just landed from Mars for making such uppity statements like that.

I know......because I've made 'em. It's unreal to be honest the "oh, well....." attitude of some.

sg1985 wrote:

FLINT ISLAND wrote:

sg1985 wrote:Stop just throwing out allegations of cheating, you have no real reason to think he cheated.

Yes I have - I got two very good reasons - my two eyes - both got good vision

Ok what did you see that indicated cheating?

Refs body lanuage.

He knew he was going to do wrong but was defiant he would do it and raised Furys hand and afterwards stood in the corner defiantley speaking to some offixla who had a smile on his face about the end result and the ref was defiant - knewing he had done wrong - but he had the power to give the decsion of who he would award the winner as.

Do you think the referee and linesman at the crystal palace game earlier this season were bought and paid cheats too? The goal that never was?

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:I've said it before and I've said it again - I'd be amazed if the contest was declared a no contest (thereby allowing NEBF to perhaps get his stake back).

It would set a foolish precedent.

A rematch will be mandated, no doubt.

Exactly, - can anyone remember an incidence where the decision HAS been overturned? I'm buggered if I can.

This would result in similar demands every time a fighter disagreed with a decision. At the end of the day, the referee's decision is meant to be final in these instances, or a judges where there are three judges. Like it or lump it - that's how it has to be really.

I've not seen this fight yet, as I cancelled sky sports recently, but will get around to it.

I think that Terry O' Connor should be placed on suspension whilst this is investigated, and he should be forced to sit with the board with a video of the fight, and explain his rationale for scoring each round as he did, along with a panel of his peers, if nothing else, his criteria for scoring a bout need to be explained and justified. If he fails to satisfy the board, he should be demoted and forced to attend training to bring him up to scratch.

Of course, an immediate rematch should also be ordered if the board are not satisfied, and perhaps they could declare it a no contest, though again, this would set a dangerous precedent.