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banjo wrote:

Carbo wrote:

banjo wrote:I don't read papers, load of shite, all play to their own political crowd.

Left-wing, right-wing, liberal sissies, pro-gay, feminazis, eco-nazis etc. you name it they follow it.

Which papers are pro-gay?

Are you sure you're picking your printed media from the right shelf?

I don't buy printed media unless it contains boobs and bikes.

And this is why the Sun is has the biggest circulation of any paper.

banjo wrote: As for which papers are pro-gay? Probably most of them, I actually made a mistake when I said I don't read papers, I meant I don't buy them and when I do read them whether it's a tabloid or a broadsheet I take every single thing written in them with a pinch of salt but anyway you always see these gay rights protests and whatnot in papers and other media.

I don't mind lesbians but poofters disgust me. D

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Yes, well, I think the point with sex is that almost everything that you don't personally like is disgusting. Like, I think bonking a bloke, or shitting and pissing on my girlfriend sounds vile, but to a gay fella, or someone into watersports, they're a big turn on and perfectly normal. That's why we don't make laws -- or shouldn't -- based on personal preference.

The fact you're against anything "pro gay" but quite like female gays says alot.

Carbo wrote:I hate to sound like some kind of uncouth misogynist, but looking at the young female creature on the bottom right hand corner of that Sun front page makes me happy I moved to Russia.

Nothing "uncouth misogynist" about it. Can't remember her age, but she's 12-14 and already looks like Vicky Pollard. Imagine her when she's 30!

Thanks Rhino, I try to appeal to Connie Sewers.

tonyevs wrote:Pat Sheehan and more so Colin Hart - are probably two of the most experienced followers of boxing who actually know the least
It amazes me that somebody who has been priveliged enough to have been around boxing so close and for so many years can be ignorant enough to know so very little of the sport as Hart continually demonstrates. facts have never seemed to make any difference to what Hart already knows

Pat Sheehan is a football writer who has been handed boxing to reduce costs. Colin Hart is stuck in the past and hasn't bothered to keep up with the sport.

doctorboxing wrote:As I said before:

It amazes me how people can be so against a particular newspaper like The Sun. True a lot of what they print is sensationalist, scaremongering and often simply false, however most of the so called "respectable" papers are exactly the same except they run their stories against a thesaurus before printing it. Do you think the owners of many of the broadsheets don't have agendas that they push in their editorials and that Murdoch is the only one doing this?

The Sun has far better sports coverage than a lot of broadsheets and they make no pretense of being anything other than a quick read for a low price. If I want to read an intelligent debate on the economy then im not going to buy The Sun. If I want to improve my vocabulary then I will read a book. If however I want to find out the football scores and read a few transfer rumours in the ten minutes I have spare in the evenings then why shouldn't I read the Sun?

As long as you are aware what you are reading then read whatever the hell you want.

Yes, but the problem is that the majority of the sun's readership are ill educated mindless goons - who aren't going to sit around over a skinny mocha latte, debating the finer points of the Sun's Oh So subtle headlines like 'Bonkers Bruno.'

'Eeeer Terry, you heard mate, that Frank Bruno's gone friggin mental - kipping in the ring. Fakkin hilarious innit, silly big sod'

I'm a working class lad, so I'm not being a snob, but the sun is filth, it's journalists and editors are remorseless unprincipled pigs who will print anything they can get away with whether there's a grain of truth in it or not.

You cannot compare the broadsheets to rags like the Sun and the Daily Mail - the broadsheets whilst capable of chicanery, have journalists who at least attempt to present their material in what might appear to be a balanced fashion.

It's not that the guys who write for the Sun are thick, in fact, far from it, most of them are extremely well educated and very bright people, which makes the dribble of poo they trot out even more cynical, because they themselves know it is utter utter codswallop.

Any idea if Colin Hart has much time for Muhammad Ali? Or Sugar Ray Leonard?

TheGoods wrote:Any idea if Colin Hart has much time for Muhammad Ali? Or Sugar Ray Leonard?

The only things Hart knows about Ali or leonard .. or prob any other boxer. Is the type of thing you hear down the pub off some ill informed pissed guy. Some of the nonsense Hart writes is cringe worthy in its ignorance.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: the broadsheets whilst capable of chicanery, have journalists who at least attempt to present their material in what might appear to be a balanced fashion.

Thats my point. The Sun is clearly a biased dumbed down rag which only an idiot would base their opinions on. However at least everyone knows thats what it is, a lot of the broadsheets purport to present a fair balanced view whilst are pushing whatever agenda they have. Then you get the people who read these papers and are happy to take what they read as fact when often it is just a better written version of what has appeared in tabloids minus the ridiculous headline.

I am an educated guy, just about to complete my PhD, who has to read a hell of a lot of boring stuff in my job. I follow current affairs etc. but I also like to read the football transfer rumours, reports of games etc. in a quick ten minutes in the evening. Whilst some people (who should be sterilized by the way) believe everything they read in The Sun, I just read it for a quick glance at the sport and some entertainment when I look at the rest of it. Believing what you read in it would be like going to watch American Pie on TV and being convinced that all virgin yanks shag apple pies.

doctorboxing wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote: the broadsheets whilst capable of chicanery, have journalists who at least attempt to present their material in what might appear to be a balanced fashion.

Thats my point. The Sun is clearly a biased dumbed down rag which only an idiot would base their opinions on. However at least everyone knows thats what it is, a lot of the broadsheets purport to present a fair balanced view whilst are pushing whatever agenda they have. Then you get the people who read these papers and are happy to take what they read as fact when often it is just a better written version of what has appeared in tabloids minus the ridiculous headline.

I am an educated guy, just about to complete my PhD, who has to read a hell of a lot of boring stuff in my job. I follow current affairs etc. but I also like to read the football transfer rumours, reports of games etc. in a quick ten minutes in the evening. Whilst some people (who should be sterilized by the way) believe everything they read in The Sun, I just read it for a quick glance at the sport and some entertainment when I look at the rest of it. Believing what you read in it would be like going to watch American Pie on TV and being convinced that all virgin yanks shag apple pies.

You've just proved my point with that statement as to why the Sun is so dangerous - because it panders to uneducated masses who seem to be overruning this country - inflaming their ill thought out opinions and directing their ire at the latest social whipping boy or dog to kick.

If you want to read the sun, that's fine, but you're supporting an evil rag by doing so. You might be able to tell apples from oranges, but the local nutter in the pub who likes 'kicking in pakis' at the weekend doesn't.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

doctorboxing wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote: the broadsheets whilst capable of chicanery, have journalists who at least attempt to present their material in what might appear to be a balanced fashion.

Thats my point. The Sun is clearly a biased dumbed down rag which only an idiot would base their opinions on. However at least everyone knows thats what it is, a lot of the broadsheets purport to present a fair balanced view whilst are pushing whatever agenda they have. Then you get the people who read these papers and are happy to take what they read as fact when often it is just a better written version of what has appeared in tabloids minus the ridiculous headline.

I am an educated guy, just about to complete my PhD, who has to read a hell of a lot of boring stuff in my job. I follow current affairs etc. but I also like to read the football transfer rumours, reports of games etc. in a quick ten minutes in the evening. Whilst some people (who should be sterilized by the way) believe everything they read in The Sun, I just read it for a quick glance at the sport and some entertainment when I look at the rest of it. Believing what you read in it would be like going to watch American Pie on TV and being convinced that all virgin yanks shag apple pies.

You've just proved my point with that statement as to why the Sun is so dangerous - because it panders to uneducated masses who seem to be overruning this country - inflaming their ill thought out opinions and directing their ire at the latest social whipping boy or dog to kick.

And that, Mr. McDonnell, is the salient point.

Carbo wrote:

Asterix wrote:I never look at the Sun newspaper. What's the coin it has on it?

I hate to sound like some kind of uncouth misogynist, but looking at the young female creature on the bottom right hand corner of that Sun front page makes me happy I moved to Russia.

In fact, whenever I get homesick, or tired of Russian bureaucracy, I just have a quick look at the Sun website. It depresses the fcuk out of me and makes me feel happy I don't have to share a land mass with the likes of Maissie's parents.

good, now fvcking stay over there, where reporters get murdered for investigating the wrong thing, where chechens and kazakhstanis etc are subject to an average of 5 racists attacks per week in moscow alone, where the very idea of democracy is a joke, where old women scrap for a living selling fags on the streets, where the far right is on the rise, where the levels of corruption are so high that Gov't officials have to be bribed to get anything done and where the protection of gangsters is needed just so your business doesn't get petrol bombed by other gangsters, where the Police basically don't investigate smaller crimes and can easily be dissuaded from investigating the bigger ones if bribed with a big enough wedge

and of course, no such thing as teenage pregnancies in russia i am sure. i am sure Olga and Yevgeny wait till they are married and 21 and solvent before they have kids, well wow, you are so lucky to live in russia a country that is clearly lightyears ahead of our own benighted bakward country, i mean the things you complain about in england, no other countries have things like an underclass or teenage vandals or teenage single mothers, no, purely an english problem, right?

i say this with the greatest possible respect:

keep your fvcking russia and stay there for good you condescending judgemental pr1ck

Come on Counter-puncher say what you really think.

i am trying to get over my crippling shyness and habit of beating around the bush, your support is appreciated.

ps do you fookin want some an' all then, eh, do ya, do ya? etc.

I particularly liked the way you put a V in fvcking, it gave it a Russian inflexion.

ref PS: I usually leave Spud to call me those type of names. You missed out elitist by the way.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:You might be able to tell apples from oranges, but the local nutter in the pub who likes 'kicking in pakis' at the weekend doesn't.

Agree with nearly all of what you say but I honestly think a lot of the broadsheets are just as dangerous. The local nutter down the pub would base his facts on "that tv show", or "the guy at the bookies told me" rather than The Sun, if it wasn't there.

Plus the Sun has tits in it

....isn't he called Richard Littlejohn or has he gone to the Daily Himmler.

I particularly liked the way you put a V in fvcking, it gave it a Russian inflexion.

ref PS: I usually leave Spud to call me those type of names. You missed out elitist by the way.


i didn't call you any names. you, sir, are erroneous on this matter. i can call you a few if you want, though. the ps wasn't namecalling so much as a gauntlet laid down. my pugnacious britishness has been aroused and i will duel with anyone- especially some jumped-up expat c0ck with a superiority complex as wide as Red Square- who is foolish enough to deride my homeland, blessed Albion, lifeblood of my soul, etc...

doctorboxing wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:You might be able to tell apples from oranges, but the local nutter in the pub who likes 'kicking in pakis' at the weekend doesn't.

Agree with nearly all of what you say but I honestly think a lot of the broadsheets are just as dangerous. The local nutter down the pub would base his facts on "that tv show", or "the guy at the bookies told me" rather than The Sun, if it wasn't there.

Plus the Sun has tits in it

All types of tits and all.

I buy Nuts and MCN, everything a man can ask for.

Oh and Boxing News(yes bennie that's right) and Boxing Monthly.

I'm not a fan of ex-pats slagging off blighty either.

DavidPayne wrote:I'm not a fan of ex-pats slagging off blighty either.

as i get older i have found i am not a fan of anyone slagging off blighty. weird mid-life turn to that whole nationalism/patriotism thing. kindof following on from the Billy bragg point, that the decent majority have to claim patriotism so the lunatic minority can't.

but as for ex-pats slagging off our glorious realm? like, you've gone, fair play, that's your choice, but you've gone now so FVCK OFF. you lose the right to slag britain off if you've decided to chuck your lot in elsewhere. except half of them will end up crawling back here in their old age to take advantage of what's left of the NHS. I only hope by the time carbo gets to that point there is no NHS. ha, that'll teach you. stay in russia surrounded by toothless old crones and steroid-head gansters, get your place in hospital opnly once you've paid off the appropriate corrupt crooked scum. but of course no teenage moms whatsoever, which makes up for an awful lot. I could put up with 95% child mortality rate, spiralling inflation, unrestricted crime, a thug for a president, anything, as long as i don't have to share a landmass(sic) with any teenage mothers. heaven forbid. etc.

Counter-puncher wrote:

Carbo wrote:

Asterix wrote:I never look at the Sun newspaper. What's the coin it has on it?

I hate to sound like some kind of uncouth misogynist, but looking at the young female creature on the bottom right hand corner of that Sun front page makes me happy I moved to Russia.

In fact, whenever I get homesick, or tired of Russian bureaucracy, I just have a quick look at the Sun website. It depresses the fcuk out of me and makes me feel happy I don't have to share a land mass with the likes of Maissie's parents.

good, now fvcking stay over there, where reporters get murdered for investigating the wrong thing, where chechens and kazakhstanis etc are subject to an average of 5 racists attacks per week in moscow alone, where the very idea of democracy is a joke, where old women scrap for a living selling fags on the streets, where the far right is on the rise, where the levels of corruption are so high that Gov't officials have to be bribed to get anything done and where the protection of gangsters is needed just so your business doesn't get petrol bombed by other gangsters, where the Police basically don't investigate smaller crimes and can easily be dissuaded from investigating the bigger ones if bribed with a big enough wedge

Hey, it sounds if you actually have first hand experience of Russia. All very accurate.

Meantime, I think that the issue that I have is that whoever said "a man born in England has won first place in the lottery of life" was largely correct.

We don't realize how made we have it in the UK. Certainly, the poverty I see in Russia, juxtaposed with vulgar, ostentatious displays of outrageous wealth, makes you realize what a great country in which you were born. Further, while it is true that Russia has been at the forefront of the arts, literature, mathematics, engineering and science for much to the last hundred years, I feel that no country can compete in terms of its contribution of man's knowledge and exploration that the country that produced Newton, Adam Smith, Darwin, Maxwell, David Hume, Bertrand Russell, Dickens, Shakespeare and the rest.

It's not that I don't like Britain. It's my home and I'm proud to be British. But what I loathe is the are the unthinking, dimwitted chavs that roam the streets.Bereft of any drive toward self betterment, apathetic, unproductive, and chronically disenfranchised who seem to be ready for nothing but what they're currently doing, and yet manage to terrorise and intimidate.

Moscow is a far, far more violent, dangerous place than Newcastle, but how many bar fights have I seen in three years here? Zero. How many street fights? Zero. How often have I felt unsafe on the streets because they're filled with piss-heads looking to crown a night of greedy drunkarness with a good old fight? Zero.

There seems to be a whole class of people who just don't give a toss. My friend's ex-fiancee had a younger brother who just didn't go to school. He had a rare kidney disorder, so his parents mollycoddled him, but he was perfectly fine to go to school. He claimed bullying. He claimed to be sick. But most days he just sat in and played on his playstation, his Xbox, his game cube, his PSP, or one of the other gadgets his parents had for him. When he turned 16, the Job Centre found him a job, but he left after 2 days, saying that people weren't being nice to him. So he just say around playing on games.

And when I go to the council estate my mum lives on, and talk to her, I see a whole class of people like that.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not a heartless Tory -- far from it. In fact, I spend most of my life these days battling against hard line conservatives (the political group, not the party) and libertarians.

But what gets me is that, as I say, being born in Britain, with the opportunities that brings, is about as good as it gets, and people are wasting it, and being impolite and going out to spoil it for others in the process.

And when I read about an ugly 15 year old girl, who has obviously had if off with half the neighbourhood already, including, appallingly, although nobody seems to care, with a 13 year old who looks about eight, and now she's knocked up, and thinks it's the 13 year old's but isn't sure, I just wonder, I really do.

Sorry to blab off about the country. And I really didn't mean to make it that Britain wasn't Great, but I just get irritated and hacked off by some of the people who live there and don't realize, to paraphrase Harold McMillan, how good they've got it.

DavidPayne wrote:I particularly liked the way you put a V in fvcking, it gave it a Russian inflexion.

ref PS: I usually leave Spud to call me those type of names. You missed out elitist by the way.

There is no V in the Russian alphabet, I'm afraid, David. Or in any Cyrillic alphabet, I suspect. The sound vee or veh is made by a letter which looks like out capital B.

Counter-Puncher - add pedantic to your list:-)

Counter-puncher wrote:

DavidPayne wrote:I'm not a fan of ex-pats slagging off blighty either.

as i get older i have found i am not a fan of anyone slagging off blighty. weird mid-life turn to that whole nationalism/patriotism thing. kindof following on from the Billy bragg point, that the decent majority have to claim patriotism so the lunatic minority can't.

but as for ex-pats slagging off our glorious realm? like, you've gone, fair play, that's your choice, but you've gone now so FVCK OFF. you lose the right to slag britain off if you've decided to chuck your lot in elsewhere. except half of them will end up crawling back here in their old age to take advantage of what's left of the NHS. I only hope by the time carbo gets to that point there is no NHS. ha, that'll teach you. stay in russia surrounded by toothless old crones and steroid-head gansters, get your place in hospital opnly once you've paid off the appropriate corrupt crooked scum. but of course no teenage moms whatsoever, which makes up for an awful lot. I could put up with 95% child mortality rate, spiralling inflation, unrestricted crime, a thug for a president, anything, as long as i don't have to share a landmass(sic) with any teenage mothers. heaven forbid. etc.

Now, now. Just calm down. You've had your say, and I've responded -- very reasonably and generously, I might add -- by trying to clarify and placate rather than meet fire with fire.

I think as a British subject, and someone who cares about the country, that I don't just have a right to criticise the country and make my feelings on social and economic issues known, but a duty.