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hayemaker1000 wrote:

chesh wrote:Floyd has not regained his P4P no. 1 spot by bullying a SMALLER fighter in a boring performance - which is what he did the other night. Pac has earned the top spot by bulling BIGGER fighters in sensational performances. Pac is faster than Floyd, hits harder and throws bombs from crazy angles which would seriously test even Floyd's defensive skills. P4P Pac is better, but as Floyd seems to have bulked up during his "retirement" his probable in-ring weight advantage of about 10 pounds might even things out in an actual fight. This thread is about P4P, however, and whichever way you look at it, Pac is ahead. More titles in more weight classes, more future Hall of Famers fought and defeated. And, last but not least, Pac ducks no-one.

Floyd regained no. 1 spot even before he fought JMM, as soon as he came out of retirement. What he showed yet again on Sat night was that he is far and away the greatest boxer of this generation. He would humiliate Manny.

DD

WayoftheCass wrote:

DG. wrote:

WayoftheCass wrote:Getting beat twice off of JMM is just your opinion. He crushed Morales twice in rematches and was the reason 'El Terrible' was shot to hell against David Diaz. Barrera went on to claim big wins long after his loss to Pacquiao and nobody ever layed a beating on him like Manny did. If Ricky was so terrible how did he win rounds against PBF?
Oscar also landed probably as many blows against Manny as JMM did against Floyd the other night.
Oh and wasn't Mosley struggling with Ricardo Mayorga until he delivered a final second KO???? As great a fighter as Mayorga is n' all.
You can use facts to support any argument. The fact is that Manny is a former FLYWEIGHT champion who has defeated Barrera, Morales (twice), JMM, Hatton and ODLH! He deserves to be where he is.

My argument is a 70% Morales beat him.

Barrera was not what he was and what big wins after?


The boy can not box for toffee, lets see him raise his hands in the air after mosley hits him, he would get stretched with his hands in the air.

Pacman is only now begining to attempt to box.

PBF UD12 or late KO

SSM wins by K0 and early!

DD

Barrera went on to beat Ayala, Morales, Fana, Peden and Juarez (twice) before dropping a split decision to JMM. Saying he was not what he was is a mute point. You could just as easily say that about all of Mayweather's opponents.

How do you fathom that Morales was 70%?

And Shane would blow him out early?

What's that based on? He hasn't won a fight early in over 8 years and fighters like David Estrada and Luis Collazo have taken him the distance without even getting rocked.

I guess I filed your whole argument under 'FAIL' when you came out with the hum-dinger :

"The boy can not box for toffee....."

That's a joke statement right there.

Pacman is overrated!


Even Freddie Roach agrees he is only now more technical.

PBF would OWN him.

Mosley would KO him ( If Cotto does not first!)

PBF beat DLH at 154 and Pacman nbeat him at 147 = draaaainnedddd!

Pacman wants Cotto weak at 145 and for that reason I hope Cotto knocks him out!

DD

Terry D wrote:Der Gibbs, if Floyd is so great and Manny less so then why did Floyd take much longer to break down Hatton, who is pretty poor in your eyes and who was fighting at his optimum weight when he took on Pac.

Because Floyd ruined him, no doubt.

Meantime, you should all be ashamed at yourself for rising to the bait.

J wrote:usual revisionist bollocks from DG.

we will find out on Nov 18th wont we?

It's called knowledge of the sport!

We would only realy find out at 147 and not 145 - but I still think Cotto beats his arse!

Terry D wrote:Der Gibbs, if Floyd is so great and Manny less so then why did Floyd take much longer to break down Hatton, who is pretty poor in your eyes and who was fighting at his optimum weight when he took on Pac.

Manny punches harder?

Mccall knocked out lennox lewis, does that make Mccall better than Tyson /Holyfield?

The manner of the win means Jack - and you know it!

Diddly diddly diddly diddly diddly!

Carbo wrote:

Terry D wrote:Der Gibbs, if Floyd is so great and Manny less so then why did Floyd take much longer to break down Hatton, who is pretty poor in your eyes and who was fighting at his optimum weight when he took on Pac.

Because Floyd ruined him, no doubt.

Meantime, you should all be ashamed at yourself for rising to the bait.

There is no bait - only debate!

Go and get drunk on Vodka.

DD

DG. wrote:

Carbo wrote:

Terry D wrote:Der Gibbs, if Floyd is so great and Manny less so then why did Floyd take much longer to break down Hatton, who is pretty poor in your eyes and who was fighting at his optimum weight when he took on Pac.

Because Floyd ruined him, no doubt.

Meantime, you should all be ashamed at yourself for rising to the bait.

There is no bait - only debate!

Go and get drunk on Vodka.

DD

My God! Your wit is so sharp that it's like sharing a forum with Oscar Wilde.

Meantime, Pacquiao is the best, pound for pound, today. I think he may well struggle with Cotto, but since Floyd hasn't fought anyone as challenging as Cotto for about seven years -- and certianly nobody as good as Cotto and as much bigger than him as Cotto is than Pacquaio -- I think we should probably give the gong to Pacquiao, who has fought a series of exceptional opponents.

Mayweather is exceptional, and I certainly think that there's an argument for putting Floyd at numero uno, but I think his resume lets him down badly.

And the idea that Pacquaio shouldn't be in the top ten is utterly preposterous. There's no room for debate on that, it's a plain fact.

DG. wrote:

J wrote:usual revisionist bollocks from DG.

we will find out on Nov 18th wont we?

It's called knowledge of the sport!

We would only realy find out at 147 and not 145 - but I still think Cotto beats his arse!

OH DO ONE PRICK.

J wrote:

DG. wrote:

J wrote:usual revisionist bollocks from DG.

we will find out on Nov 18th wont we?

It's called knowledge of the sport!

We would only realy find out at 147 and not 145 - but I still think Cotto beats his arse!

OH DO ONE PRICK.

Hate - terrible thing to harbour!

Just admit it - Pacman would only go near Cptto and DLH at 145 and 147 resepectively!

Pacman is not that good!

DD

man grenade wrote:If pac was a jive talking hip hop/wannabe gangster/rapper dg would be in agreement with most people in that pac is deservedly no.1.

You poor demented twit.

Whay would that be? I actually think - for example - that Zab Judah is a total 'Man Grenade' =
( Prick).

You think what? Is it because I iz black?

JMM is more Number 1 than Pacman and PBF is MILES AHEAD of Pacman.

Most know that.

SO Pacman beat Haton and Diaz and he is P4P Number 1 despite 'losing' bith fights to JMM?

Pacman has been running from JMM ever since!

Word!

man grenade wrote:If you check the records degenarate gobshite you will notice that pac actually drew with jmm and then beat him.whilst mayweather was sat in his mansion sipping champagne and listening to coolio pac was beating men with ease that he had to work hard to beat.he cant eff off for 2 years and come back and still expect to be considered p4p no.1 no more than man u could not play a game of football for 2 years but still be considered prem champs.for what its worth I think floyd beats pac but pacs status as p4p no.1 has been earned the hard way not by demanding people call him it.
Do you repeat yourself a lot dg?and do you talk with one of those phoney jamaican accents?you come across as a typical modern londoner innit blood lol!!

I met DG once, he spoke with a Jamaican accent, we went round his gaff drinking booze and shit. Anyway he heard some bloke had been slagging him off big time so he gets up, drunkenly muttering away about what he was going to do, stumbles out of his front door and gets into his Boxter and crashes into the gate post and got out effing and blinding in a cockney accent to my amusement.

True story that.

man grenade wrote:If you check the records degenarate gobshite you will notice that pac actually drew with jmm and then beat him.whilst mayweather was sat in his mansion sipping champagne and listening to coolio pac was beating men with ease that he had to work hard to beat.he cant eff off for 2 years and come back and still expect to be considered p4p no.1 no more than man u could not play a game of football for 2 years but still be considered prem champs.for what its worth I think floyd beats pac but pacs status as p4p no.1 has been earned the hard way not by demanding people call him it.
Do you repeat yourself a lot dg?and do you talk with one of those phoney jamaican accents?you come across as a typical modern londoner innit blood lol!!

1) Not from JA and neither are my parents.

2) No fake accents here.

3) Pacman is not number 1

4) JMM did not get the nod in either fight, but most agree he won them both.

5) You come across as not much so get back to your shed and shut it!

Innit.

Man Grenade? What kind of damn foolish name is that?

Are you a Gay Wannabee Porn Star?

banjo wrote:

man grenade wrote:If you check the records degenarate gobshite you will notice that pac actually drew with jmm and then beat him.whilst mayweather was sat in his mansion sipping champagne and listening to coolio pac was beating men with ease that he had to work hard to beat.he cant eff off for 2 years and come back and still expect to be considered p4p no.1 no more than man u could not play a game of football for 2 years but still be considered prem champs.for what its worth I think floyd beats pac but pacs status as p4p no.1 has been earned the hard way not by demanding people call him it.
Do you repeat yourself a lot dg?and do you talk with one of those phoney jamaican accents?you come across as a typical modern londoner innit blood lol!!

I met DG once, he spoke with a Jamaican accent, we went round his gaff drinking booze and poop. Anyway he heard some bloke had been slagging him off big time so he gets up, drunkenly muttering away about what he was going to do, stumbles out of his front door and gets into his Boxter and crashes into the gate post and got out effing and blinding in a cockney accent to my amusement.

True story that.

Didn't I tell you to keep that to yourself?

Banjo - you are dead to me!

man grenade wrote:If you check the records degenarate gobshite you will notice that pac actually drew with jmm and then beat him.whilst mayweather was sat in his mansion sipping champagne and listening to coolio pac was beating men with ease that he had to work hard to beat.he cant eff off for 2 years and come back and still expect to be considered p4p no.1 no more than man u could not play a game of football for 2 years but still be considered prem champs.for what its worth I think floyd beats pac but pacs status as p4p no.1 has been earned the hard way not by demanding people call him it.
Do you repeat yourself a lot dg?and do you talk with one of those phoney jamaican accents?you come across as a typical modern londoner innit blood lol!!

Mayweather will make Pacman look very ordinary&beat him with ease

Tommy Gunn13 wrote:

man grenade wrote:If you check the records degenarate gobshite you will notice that pac actually drew with jmm and then beat him.whilst mayweather was sat in his mansion sipping champagne and listening to coolio pac was beating men with ease that he had to work hard to beat.he cant eff off for 2 years and come back and still expect to be considered p4p no.1 no more than man u could not play a game of football for 2 years but still be considered prem champs.for what its worth I think floyd beats pac but pacs status as p4p no.1 has been earned the hard way not by demanding people call him it.
Do you repeat yourself a lot dg?and do you talk with one of those phoney jamaican accents?you come across as a typical modern londoner innit blood lol!!

Mayweather will make Pacman look very ordinary&beat him with ease

It is hard to believe people think differently.

JMM outboxed Pacman for 20 rounds out of 24!

Mayweather would make Pacman look like a novice.

Look what he did to JMM after 2 years out.



DD

DG. wrote:
4) JMM did not get the nod in either fight, but most forum wankers agree with each other that he won them both and state it as though it is FACT.

fixed, service free of charge to you DG, happy to help

DG. wrote:

Tommy Gunn13 wrote:

man grenade wrote:If you check the records degenarate gobshite you will notice that pac actually drew with jmm and then beat him.whilst mayweather was sat in his mansion sipping champagne and listening to coolio pac was beating men with ease that he had to work hard to beat.he cant eff off for 2 years and come back and still expect to be considered p4p no.1 no more than man u could not play a game of football for 2 years but still be considered prem champs.for what its worth I think floyd beats pac but pacs status as p4p no.1 has been earned the hard way not by demanding people call him it.
Do you repeat yourself a lot dg?and do you talk with one of those phoney jamaican accents?you come across as a typical modern londoner innit blood lol!!

Mayweather will make Pacman look very ordinary&beat him with ease

It is hard to believe people think differently.

JMM outboxed Pacman for 20 rounds out of 24!

Mayweather would make Pacman look like a novice.

Look what he did to JMM after 2 years out.



DD

The maxim “styles make fights” might have become a cliché, but it’s one that has been used repeatedly for good reason. Floyd has never faced anyone with the style of Pac. Would his defence hold up against someone even faster who throws punches in bunches from crazy angles? We don’t know, but many would like to see it.

Although Marquez was extremely competitive with Pac at 126 and 130, does anyone seriously think the welterweight version of JMM would do as well - or even last 12 rounds - against the current version of Pac who stopped Hatton and DLH? That should put the performance of Floyd (a welter for 4 years) into perspective.

Pac's won titles from flyweight (missing out super flyweight and bantam) to light welterweight and he's not a pound for pounder? Despite one or two controversial decisions, and picking big names at the right time (if you're The Man, you can do that) he's still an amazing fighter.

Granted, Hatton and DLH were atrocious on the night, but Pac did the business.

If you ask me, the REAL boxing is in the lower weights, the Pac-Marquez-Barrera-Morales fights. These guys - along with the likes of Israel Vazquez and Rafael Marquez - had to have extremely hard fights, had to go life and death, had to go WW3, to get their paydays much of the time.

This is the true top level boxing. The Pac-DLH and Mayweather-Marquez stuff is just novelty stuff and bloated paydays. You can't blame the little men for doing it, going where the real money is, of course.

Hope Morequez v Hatton is someone's idea of a bad joke.

banjo wrote:

man grenade wrote:If you check the records degenarate gobshite you will notice that pac actually drew with jmm and then beat him.whilst mayweather was sat in his mansion sipping champagne and listening to coolio pac was beating men with ease that he had to work hard to beat.he cant eff off for 2 years and come back and still expect to be considered p4p no.1 no more than man u could not play a game of football for 2 years but still be considered prem champs.for what its worth I think floyd beats pac but pacs status as p4p no.1 has been earned the hard way not by demanding people call him it.
Do you repeat yourself a lot dg?and do you talk with one of those phoney jamaican accents?you come across as a typical modern londoner innit blood lol!!

I met DG once, he spoke with a Jamaican accent, we went round his gaff drinking booze and poop. Anyway he heard some bloke had been slagging him off big time so he gets up, drunkenly muttering away about what he was going to do, stumbles out of his front door and gets into his Boxter and crashes into the gate post and got out effing and blinding in a cockney accent to my amusement.

True story that.

I think DG just got Banjo'd!

Counter-puncher wrote:

DG. wrote:
4) JMM did not get the nod in either fight, but most forum wankers agree with each other that he won them both and state it as though it is FACT.

fixed, service free of charge to you DG, happy to help

WayoftheCass wrote:

banjo wrote:

man grenade wrote:If you check the records degenarate gobshite you will notice that pac actually drew with jmm and then beat him.whilst mayweather was sat in his mansion sipping champagne and listening to coolio pac was beating men with ease that he had to work hard to beat.he cant eff off for 2 years and come back and still expect to be considered p4p no.1 no more than man u could not play a game of football for 2 years but still be considered prem champs.for what its worth I think floyd beats pac but pacs status as p4p no.1 has been earned the hard way not by demanding people call him it.
Do you repeat yourself a lot dg?and do you talk with one of those phoney jamaican accents?you come across as a typical modern londoner innit blood lol!!

I met DG once, he spoke with a Jamaican accent, we went round his gaff drinking booze and poop. Anyway he heard some bloke had been slagging him off big time so he gets up, drunkenly muttering away about what he was going to do, stumbles out of his front door and gets into his Boxter and crashes into the gate post and got out effing and blinding in a cockney accent to my amusement.

True story that.

I think DG just got Banjo'd!

Banjo IS joking, you do know that?

DG. wrote:

J wrote:usual revisionist bollocks from DG.

we will find out on Nov 18th wont we?

It's called knowledge of the sport!

We would only realy find out at 147 and not 145 - but I still think Cotto beats his arse!

Cotto has to drop 2 pounds. Manny has to come up 8 weight classes! But Manny has the advantage?????? You need to start thinking this 'sheet' it out and stop smoking it.....various emoticoms!

DG. wrote:

WayoftheCass wrote:

banjo wrote:
I think DG just got Banjo'd!

Banjo IS joking, you do know that?

Yeah it was funny how he banjo'd you DG!!!!!!!!!!

[quote="WayoftheCass
Yeah it was funny how he banjo'd you DG!!!!!!!!!! [/quote]



Back on topic, Pacman is NOT P4P anything!

DG. wrote:[quote="WayoftheCass
Yeah it was funny how he banjo'd you DG!!!!!!!!!!

Back on topic, Pacman is NOT P4P anything!


[/quote]

Dude. You screwed that post up. Go back and try it again. I think I just banjo'd you to! Thats 2. Do you want to go for treble jeopardy where the odd's can really change??????