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whicker wrote:

FLINT ISLAND wrote:Is Jennings going to be safe in the Office filing out the wage slips and tax dedeuctions - admin work, etc.

Because he is only a little guy.

If there was any trouble with some big burly group of rowdy men - what use is a little guy like that gonna be.

I dont give a shite if he is a pro boxer - you need big muscle men on doors - who got the brawn to man handle people and defuse situations.

A little guy like Jennings just aint cut out for the muscle for that kind of work.

He RUNS the company, I don't think it's a one man opperation. Does Richard Branson drive his own trains?

But Richard Branson is a Mutli Billionaire

Jennings is a British / Euro level fighter - who has not even made a million

You cant compare a average guy like Jennings against a powerful man like Richard Branson

Anyway - Jennings is handy with his fists - but I think not big enough

So maybe he will just oversee operations

mickey1975 wrote:but where are the "respected" guys going to be stewarding?at the M.E.N,there was dominic negus and co patrolling the ringside area,and the in-house stewards trying to control the vast arena.it should have been the other way round!the hooligan minority are usually in the cheaper sections.it needs to be sorted out,because its putting a lot of people off the large shows

Well said- and this highlights the problem.

Ringside will be well "stewarded" or "securitied" , at the bigger venues sometimes the rest of the arena is pretty much a free for all, with people sitting whereever they like and the trouble makers being given a free reign.

I've had shows ruined by a lack of stewarding at Small Hall shows- at a Nigel Wright fight a large group of his fans simply stood in front of the flat floor seats, ruining the view for everyone behind.

That said, sometimes Stewarding has been good too- Clifton Mitchell's firm do a good job, in my experience.

FLINT ISLAND wrote:

whicker wrote:

FLINT ISLAND wrote:Is Jennings going to be safe in the Office filing out the wage slips and tax dedeuctions - admin work, etc.

Because he is only a little guy.

If there was any trouble with some big burly group of rowdy men - what use is a little guy like that gonna be.

I dont give a shite if he is a pro boxer - you need big muscle men on doors - who got the brawn to man handle people and defuse situations.

A little guy like Jennings just aint cut out for the muscle for that kind of work.

He RUNS the company, I don't think it's a one man opperation. Does Richard Branson drive his own trains?

But Richard Branson is a Mutli Billionaire

Jennings is a British / Euro level fighter - who has not even made a million

You cant compare a average guy like Jennings against a powerful man like Richard Branson

Anyway - Jennings is handy with his fists - but I think not big enough

So maybe he will just oversee operations

Yeah- my point was just a joke- but he runs a security firm, according to the article- I'm not sure how much of the actual security work he does himself.

Jeff Thomas was supposed to run a security firm too

Jeff aint that big physically - but I think he might do the hands on work though as he was a bouncer before and handled alot of trouble there and sparked a few people out - if he is telling the truth.

I had a bit of trouble with bouncers before in a club

I knew this girl

I seen her in a club and said hello and starting dancing up on her

But I didnt know she was going out with the muscle bound bouncer

I went up to the bar to get a drink - and the bouncer and his fellow bouncer both grabbed both of my arms from each side and manhandled me out the back down a fire exit alley before I even knew what was happening

I thought I was gonna get a beasting - but they just didnt even bother opening the fire exit door - and threw me with such force I went through the fire door and ended out on the street

But I kept on my feet so I left with my pride intact

FLINT ISLAND wrote: I thought I was gonna get a beasting

Dog or donkey?

Collins2000 wrote:

FLINT ISLAND wrote: I thought I was gonna get a beasting

Dog or donkey?

Nah - they just wanted me ejected from the club

But thats the only trouble I ever had with bouncers / security - I just didnt relaise what I was doing (that it was his girlfriend)

My mate on the other hand - has had many regular confrontations with Bouncers and Police -...............................................during one night he was drunk and started threanting bouncers on the door outside the clubs - they shoved him away and he went flying - but he was on a rampage - they radioed for undercover police to arrive

The undercover - got him in a corner - and told him to calm down and go home - they then got back into their car

But my mate has some serious psycoligical issues - and went in front of their car and screamed at them

"You dont know who you are fornicating with !!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Undecover then got out the car and seized him and took him away in their car to a unknown location - and beat the shite out of him - the next day his face and body was a mess - he had taken a battering.

FLINT ISLAND wrote:Is Jennings going to be safe in the Office filing out the wage slips and tax dedeuctions - admin work, etc.

Because he is only a little guy.

If there was any trouble with some big burly group of rowdy men - what use is a little guy like that gonna be.

I dont give a shite if he is a pro boxer - you need big muscle men on doors - who got the brawn to man handle people and defuse situations.

A little guy like Jennings just aint cut out for the muscle for that kind of work.

I wouldn't agree 100% with that mate - in the main size is a good deterant to trouble but a bloke like Michael Gomez, who isnt a 16 stone steroid fiend, can still have a presence that means people won't fu ck with him.

Years ago when he was sharing a house with Macklin he came down to Brum on the pi$$. He was playing up a bit as usual and went up to several large, handy doormen (6'5 18 stone and well known for taking care of business) and twisted their nipples, hard: he didnt give a $hit.

Despite his lack of size the doormen didnt wade in and try and knock him out or reach for their weapons - they new by looking at him and the way he acted he wasn't to be fu cked with...

Yeah Gomez has defently got a presence and enregy about him of trouble - and he like fighting, etc - someone to avoid - as there is no doubt he is trouble

I know a pro boxer who I sparred with when I was younger who was about the size of Gomez - who worked doors too -

However while these guys are little hard cases - who can hurt people fighting - and Gomez did actually kill a lad by punching him out

And I know a ex boxer too who I have sparred with also when I was a bit younger - who killed a lad working the doors at a club

I knew these guys from the gym

And while they can undoubltly fight

I think the main function of a doorman / security - should not be about hurting people and putting them in hospital

But to escort / eject them from the Club / Arena with mimunum fuss - and for that the best men for the job are the guys with brawn sheer muscle and strength

Not a nasty little guy like Gomez who is just gonna be quick to use his fists to hurt people

I worked the door for years in your area, Swansea, and worked side by side with Miguel Matthews for much of it and I would much prefer working with him than the bigger guys, Floyd and Ceri Hall worked plenty too.
I wonder if I was working when you got lobbed out!lol

Coco wrote:I worked the door for years in your area, Swansea, and worked side by side with Miguel Matthews

He must be a busy guy! Didn't he run a coal business too?

Coco wrote:I worked the door for years in your area, Swansea, and worked side by side with Miguel Matthews for much of it and I would much prefer working with him than the bigger guys, Floyd and Ceri Hall worked plenty too.
I wonder if I was working when you got lobbed out!lol

Post your pic on here - see if I recognise you D

whicker wrote:

Coco wrote:I worked the door for years in your area, Swansea, and worked side by side with Miguel Matthews

He must be a busy guy! Didn't he run a coal business too?

And a building business, tight git works 100 hours a week every week, and he don't need the money, still too tight to put credit on his phone tho!

Coco wrote:

whicker wrote:

Coco wrote:I worked the door for years in your area, Swansea, and worked side by side with Miguel Matthews

He must be a busy guy! Didn't he run a coal business too?

And a building business, tight git works 100 hours a week every week, and he don't need the money, still too tight to put credit on his phone tho!

How much is he worth ?

Coco wrote:

whicker wrote:

Coco wrote:I worked the door for years in your area, Swansea, and worked side by side with Miguel Matthews

He must be a busy guy! Didn't he run a coal business too?

And a building business, tight git works 100 hours a week every week, and he don't need the money, still too tight to put credit on his phone tho!

Fair play to him! I know another ex-boxer who works security (building sites and the like- my Grandad used to do that, with a Staffie for Company!)

Anyway, the guy used to box , but never spent a penny of his boxing earnings, he kept them (and presumably still has kept them) in a bank for a pension fund.

FLINT ISLAND wrote:

Coco wrote:I worked the door for years in your area, Swansea, and worked side by side with Miguel Matthews for much of it and I would much prefer working with him than the bigger guys, Floyd and Ceri Hall worked plenty too.
I wonder if I was working when you got lobbed out!lol

Post your pic on here - see if I recognise you D

I put the pic on the other thread, if you speak to Miguel he is always skint but own 4 houses outright and is always busy, but then he has an ex wife and kids to support!

FLINT ISLAND wrote:Jeff Thomas was supposed to run a security firm too

Jeff aint that big physically - but I think he might do the hands on work though as he was a bouncer before and handled alot of trouble there and sparked a few people out - if he is telling the truth.

Nah, I think jeff worked for a security firm. being form Blackpool Ive no doubt he chinned a few, but he eventually lost his licence because of it. Gave some lads who were clearly coming into the club week in week out ot cause trouble a slap, police got involved jeff lost his card.

At least thats what I understand, jeff should be here somewhere to rectify.

Also, as many have mentioned, the jennings family are well known for doing security in the North West. his father has been at every big fight ive been to in the north west, and I also met him in Blackburn doing the footy. I must admit though, I was leathered in blackpool and he didnt take too kindly to my drunken "waaaay Michalel Jennings dad" shout.

FLINT ISLAND wrote:I had a bit of trouble with bouncers before in a club

I knew this girl

I seen her in a club and said hello and starting dancing up on her

But I didnt know she was going out with the muscle bound bouncer

I went up to the bar to get a drink - and the bouncer and his fellow bouncer both grabbed both of my arms from each side and manhandled me out the back down a fire exit alley before I even knew what was happening

I thought I was gonna get a beasting - but they just didnt even bother opening the fire exit door - and threw me with such force I went through the fire door and ended out on the street

But I kept on my feet so I left with my pride intact

Bouncers in general are bullies and cause most of the trouble you here about anyway.

Wales wrote:Nah, I think jeff worked for a security firm. being form Blackpool Ive no doubt he chinned a few, but he eventually lost his licence because of it. Gave some lads who were clearly coming into the club week in week out ot cause trouble a slap, police got involved jeff lost his card.

At least thats what I understand, jeff should be here somewhere to rectify.

Also, as many have mentioned, the jennings family are well known for doing security in the North West. his father has been at every big fight ive been to in the north west, and I also met him in Blackburn doing the footy. I must admit though, I was leathered in blackpool and he didnt take too kindly to my drunken "waaaay Michalel Jennings dad" shout.

Lol... I used to run a security company for someone else in Blackpool, but it was a pain in the arse to be honest. Regarding my door career. 6 years, and it was very good fun but it was also a real pain in terms of making lots of enemies. I lost my badge for chinning a copper who had hit me with an ashtray on a stag do and having a straightener with some idiot after throwing him out for fighting. I don't try and attest to been a hard man or anything like that, so you should believe what I tell you flint... I don't brag about it. It was a stupid job and I wasted a lot of time doing that when I could have been doing something more productive. I did some BG work as well with Mylene KLass and Gok Wan and also some others. It was great at times but other times it could be a nightmare. I was stabbed in the head and also glassed, bottled a few times but I was very lucky and never got beaten up or came off second best. I also put a lot of idiots back on the path to peace (usually by ending their consiousness for a while) but the doors make you very cold towards other people. I had a couple of near misses with scumbags who aren't worth the air they breathe where I could easily have been in jail for manslaughter missing my little boy growing up. The doors are a horrible place to work and I advise anyone considering a career in it to steer clear.

And flint.... with regards to door work, always watch the little ones. Half the big guys I worked with couldn't fight the tide in a bath.

Jeff Thomas wrote:And flint.... with regards to door work, always watch the little ones. Half the big guys I worked with couldn't fight the tide in a bath.

Correct I worked them for years , agree with everything you say , i'm only 5'8 and never got a hiding , worked some prtty rough clubs , and most of the time calmed the situation without violence , in fact a good doorman will spot it and calm it before it starts .

Regarding big boxing tournaments the ex pro who everyone recognizes is definetly a big help , but in them arena's you definetly need a dozen or so man mountains to just get in there and quickly manhandle the likes of Tysons familly out

whicker wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:but where are the "respected" guys going to be stewarding?at the M.E.N,there was dominic negus and co patrolling the ringside area,and the in-house stewards trying to control the vast arena.it should have been the other way round!the hooligan minority are usually in the cheaper sections.it needs to be sorted out,because its putting a lot of people off the large shows

Well said- and this highlights the problem.

Ringside will be well "stewarded" or "securitied" , at the bigger venues sometimes the rest of the arena is pretty much a free for all, with people sitting whereever they like and the trouble makers being given a free reign.

I've had shows ruined by a lack of stewarding at Small Hall shows- at a Nigel Wright fight a large group of his fans simply stood in front of the flat floor seats, ruining the view for everyone behind.

That said, sometimes Stewarding has been good too- Clifton Mitchell's firm do a good job, in my experience.

The problem is part of the price the bigger venue charge is for the stewarding - they then look at security on entering the arena and on the whole the fire exits and helping people to their seats. The remit for the security paid for by the promoter is to look after all the entrances to and from the Dressing Room Area, the VIP area, the BBBofC area and the press and TV and of course the boxers to and from the ring.

For the promoter to pay for top notch security at big venues like the MEN I dont think would work as as already stated the bigger venues provide this as part of their contract and I believe they are contracted to provide the security they employ the work when an event is taking place so there is a catch 22 situation there.

The only way around this problem is for the promoter to complain to the venue executives about poor standards and I suppose the ultimate sanction is not to use a particular arena again - the best of the bigger venues I have seen although it still had its problems is the O2 in London really good people to deal with - the biggest problem with the poor standards of stewarding at the bigger venues is the minimum wage - quite honestly would you wade in and possible get your head kicked by some yob if you were only on £5.80 an hour? .

With regards to the security used by promoters - I think Clifton Mitchell's lot are bloody brilliant, I am kicking myself for forgetting the firm used by Hayemaker - they are a cracking bunch of lads too.

So the complaints with regards the bigger venues is not slopping shoulders here but to a point its not the promoters problem - they already pay big bucks to the venue to provide adequate cover.

Jeff Thomas wrote: It was a stupid job and I wasted a lot of time doing that when I could have been doing something more productive. I did some BG work as well with Mylene KLass and Gok Wan and also some others... The doors are a horrible place to work and I advise anyone considering a career in it to steer clear.

I've been on to John Blake Publishing, Jeff and they want me to ghost write your autobiography which will be called 'I looked after Gok Wan's body'

This is a revealing post which is obviously written by someone who knows what they're talking about. A good pal of mine who is an ex-pro is a bouncer and some lads will not leave it alone until the only option is to lamp them.

Of course, booze and an inability to handle it combined with self-esteem 'issues' is at the root of most chew.

A hell of a lot of boxing shows I've been to have inadequate security.

Spud wrote:
- quite honestly would you wade in and possible get your head kicked by some yob if you were only on £5.80 an hour? .

No, I would not!!

Spud wrote:

With regards to the security used by promoters - I think Clifton Mitchell's lot are bloody brilliant, I am kicking myself for forgetting the firm used by Hayemaker - they are a cracking bunch of lads too.

Big Clifton did the Hayemaker shows at Sheffield and the O2.