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Posted: **19 Oct 2009, 15:40**

kingfinn wrote:I dont think haye is planning on going the distance he's going to go out there high tempo and try and knock him out in the first 5.

That'd be one hell of a plan. Have you seen this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaigdKiO8Xc

That fight was Valuev (29th fight) against Taras Bidenko (in his 4th fight!), a relatively light puncher. Here's a write up:

Highlights of this bout can be seen on youtube. In round 11, the inexperienced and unknown Bidenko, behind on points, moved forward with effective jab combinations and battered Valuev throughout the round, including a nine punch combination that had Valuev in serious trouble. Despite having only three fights experience coming into this bout, and facing a height, reach and weight advantage, Bidenko remained competitive throughout this twelve round bout, and with a good defense, effective jab and foot movement was not hurt or in trouble at any time.

http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php?t ... ght:351292

Posted: **19 Oct 2009, 16:03**

Asterix wrote:
kingfinn wrote:I dont think haye is planning on going the distance he's going to go out there high tempo and try and knock him out in the first 5.
That'd be one hell of a plan. Have you seen this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaigdKiO8Xc

That fight was Valuev (29th fight) against Taras Bidenko (in his 4th fight!), a relatively light puncher. Here's a write up:
Highlights of this bout can be seen on youtube. In round 11, the inexperienced and unknown Bidenko, behind on points, moved forward with effective jab combinations and battered Valuev throughout the round, including a nine punch combination that had Valuev in serious trouble. Despite having only three fights experience coming into this bout, and facing a height, reach and weight advantage, Bidenko remained competitive throughout this twelve round bout, and with a good defense, effective jab and foot movement was not hurt or in trouble at any time.
http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php?t ... ght:351292

That was the footage of valuev taking combos in the face i was talking about in my earlier post. Haye doesnt hit like that we all know that. Its the difference between being hit with a hammer and getting struck with a wrecking ball.

Posted: **19 Oct 2009, 16:07**

haye is a top bloke. very vry skilled for a 23 fight novice. he is so fast and hit's extrmely hard.i suggest he goes to the body of valuev early on.then maybe late on when valuev slow's down he can land that hayemaker and ko him

Posted: **19 Oct 2009, 16:11**

gemmell wrote:haye is a top bloke. very vry skilled for a 23 fight novice. he is so fast and hit's extrmely hard.i suggest he goes to the body of valuev early on.then maybe late on when valuev slow's down he can land that hayemaker and ko him

i think hayes got a plan for when valuev leans on him, maybe flurries of body shots, ropa doping then leaning in and hitting, or ducking down and bobing like Benn used to.

Posted: **19 Oct 2009, 16:25**

@kingfinn

he has shown those skills you wrote about on how many occasions?

between zero and naught I believe

Haye blows him out in 3 rounds or gets punished by the 7th in my view

Posted: **19 Oct 2009, 17:04**

kingfinn wrote:That was the footage of valuev taking combos in the face i was talking about in my earlier post. Haye doesnt hit like that we all know that. Its the difference between being hit with a hammer and getting struck with a wrecking ball.

I agree that there's a big difference between Bidenko's power and Haye's, but I haven't seen anything to suggest that Haye will KO Valuev. I know it's possible, but I'm struggling to see it play out that way.

gemmell wrote:haye is a top bloke. very vry skilled for a 23 fight novice. he is so fast and hit's extrmely hard.i suggest he goes to the body of valuev early on.then maybe late on when valuev slow's down he can land that hayemaker and ko him

Late on in the fight Haye will have slowed as well. And Valuev has very good stamina for a big guy.

Posted: **19 Oct 2009, 17:41**

Haye is a breath of fresh air in our "this interview was brought to you courtesy of Coke Zero" era.

Posted: **20 Oct 2009, 07:02**

Carbo wrote:
Will you beat Valuev?

If all my strengths come together on the night I feel I can. It won't be easy but I will win.

He doesn't sound too confident here, not for a boxer anyway...I don't think he's 100% sure he can beat this giant, it's not the same type of confidence he had going into the Enzo fight.

I remember a lot was made of the fact that when Mock put him over, it was because he was hit on the top of the head/temple etc...and that's exactly where Valuev is going to be clumping him. He's fantastic for boxing is David Haye, I'd love to see him do it, but I really think Valuev is going to clatter him in shocking fashion.

Posted: **20 Oct 2009, 08:18**

MightyWarrior wrote:
Carbo wrote:
Will you beat Valuev?

If all my strengths come together on the night I feel I can. It won't be easy but I will win.
He doesn't sound too confident here, not for a boxer anyway...I don't think he's 100% sure he can beat this giant, it's not the same type of confidence he had going into the Enzo fight.

I remember a lot was made of the fact that when Mock put him over, it was because he was hit on the top of the head/temple etc...and that's exactly where Valuev is going to be clumping him. He's fantastic for boxing is David Haye, I'd love to see him do it, but I really think Valuev is going to clatter him in shocking fashion.

Always valued your opinion MW, and I know I'm in a distinct minority here, but I honestly feel Haye can pull this off. I think his speed will be the crucial difference in this fight.

Posted: **20 Oct 2009, 08:25**

My fears are exactly the same on the vulnerability temple shots. That's what scuppered him against Thompson as well. I have a vision of Haye getting caught coming in and slumping onto Valuev.

I hope not. He's far and away the most likeable World prospect we've had since Benn.

Posted: **20 Oct 2009, 08:44**

Deserter wrote:
MightyWarrior wrote:
Carbo wrote:
Will you beat Valuev?

If all my strengths come together on the night I feel I can. It won't be easy but I will win.
He doesn't sound too confident here, not for a boxer anyway...I don't think he's 100% sure he can beat this giant, it's not the same type of confidence he had going into the Enzo fight.

I remember a lot was made of the fact that when Mock put him over, it was because he was hit on the top of the head/temple etc...and that's exactly where Valuev is going to be clumping him. He's fantastic for boxing is David Haye, I'd love to see him do it, but I really think Valuev is going to clatter him in shocking fashion.
Always valued your opinion MW, and I know I'm in a distinct minority here, but I honestly feel Haye can pull this off. I think his speed will be the crucial difference in this fight.

I don't think you're in the minority there Deserter, isn't DH favorite with the UK bookies?
I got 11-2 for Valuev by stoppage last week, pretty mad odds I think, we'll see. I hope you're right though, it'd be great for boxing. Who's Haye going to defend against if he wins I wonder, straight to a big money unification maybe.

Posted: **20 Oct 2009, 08:53**

gemmell wrote:haye is a top bloke. very vry skilled for a 23 fight novice. he is so fast and hit's extrmely hard.i suggest he goes to the body of valuev early on.then maybe late on when valuev slow's down he can land that hayemaker and ko him

I agree that he is green for a world class fighter.

But I would not class him as a novice - he was a World class amateur - and European Crusierweight Champion - and won WBC / WBA / WBO titles.

He has sparred with the likes of Danny Williams and Audley over the years.

And beaten guys like Frogemeni in European title fights - who has gone on to be a WBC World Crusierweight Champion himself.

Haye is experienced for he has packed alot into them 23 fights - his pro debut was Tony Booth who had loads of fights - then he was fighting Carl Thompson after only a handful of fights.

I do say though - he is a novice at heavyweight - compared to the Klitshko brothers, etc.

Posted: **20 Oct 2009, 08:56**

Ruiz - mandatory

Posted: **20 Oct 2009, 08:58**

I don't think you're in the minority there Deserter, isn't DH favorite with the UK bookies?
I got 11-2 for Valuev by stoppage last week, pretty mad odds I think, we'll see. I hope you're right though, it'd be great for boxing. Who's Haye going to defend against if he wins I wonder, straight to a big money unification maybe.[/quote]

I 100% agree

That comment from Deserter was one of the biggest joke comments I have ever read on Boxrec...........I thought this place was a forum for serious posters

Its right up there with that know it all Spud saying he had just come off the phone talking to Dean Powell

Deserter trying to be a expert by claiming he is one of the few shrewd experts to pick a Haye win ...................when Haye is odds on favorite with the bookies

Posted: **20 Oct 2009, 09:00**

Of course Haye is not going to be as confident about this fight than the Maccarenelli fight.

The Maccarenelli fight - Haye said he only turned up for free money - he knew he was a level above Enzo.

But the likes of these fights at heavyweight he now wants to engage in - he knows these guys are serious business.

Its healthy that he is taking it serious - and not just acting like all he needs to do is turn up.

Posted: **20 Oct 2009, 09:01**

FLINT ISLAND wrote:Of course Haye is not going to be as confident about this fight than the Maccarenelli fight.

The Maccarenelli fight - Haye said he only turned up for free money - he knew he was a level above Enzo.

But the likes of these fights at heavyweight he now wants to engage in - he knows these guys are serious business.

Its healthy attitudte that he is taking it serious - and not just acting like all he needs to do is turn up.

Posted: **20 Oct 2009, 11:37**

Haye will lose the fight. He doesn't have the defensive skills to avoid Valuevs jab and that will give him problems. Haye will come into the fight believing in his power and believing that he can KO Valuev. He will take a few clubbing punches and get KOd late in the fight as his stamina goes.

Posted: **20 Oct 2009, 14:19**

FLINT ISLAND wrote: That comment from Deserter was one of the biggest joke comments I have ever read on Boxrec...........I thought this place was a forum for serious posters

Its right up there with that know it all Spud saying he had just come off the phone talking to Dean Powell

Deserter trying to be a expert by claiming he is one of the few shrewd experts to pick a Haye win ...................when Haye is odds on favorite with the bookies

Listen you absolute cock - check any thread on this forum regarding the Valuev-Haye fight and it's completely clear the majority of posters think Valuev is going to do him.
And how you of all people have got the nerve to to call that one of the biggest joke comments given some of the shit you've been stinking the forum out with over the last few months is beyond me.
Now fornicate off back to your shed in Swansea to worship at the shrine you've built for Enzo... anyone else remember the Alan Partridge episode where he ends up back at his stalker's house? That's what's in store for poor Enzo if he wanders into the wrong part of Swansea...

Posted: **20 Oct 2009, 18:08**

Deserter wrote:
FLINT ISLAND wrote: That comment from Deserter was one of the biggest joke comments I have ever read on Boxrec...........I thought this place was a forum for serious posters

Its right up there with that know it all Spud saying he had just come off the phone talking to Dean Powell

Deserter trying to be a expert by claiming he is one of the few shrewd experts to pick a Haye win ...................when Haye is odds on favorite with the bookies
Listen you absolute cock - check any thread on this forum regarding the Valuev-Haye fight and it's completely clear the majority of posters think Valuev is going to do him.
And how you of all people have got the nerve to to call that one of the biggest joke comments given some of the poop you've been stinking the forum out with over the last few months is beyond me.
Now eff off back to your shed in Swansea to worship at the shrine you've built for Enzo... anyone else remember the Alan Partridge episode where he ends up back at his stalker's house? That's what's in store for poor Enzo if he wanders into the wrong part of Swansea...

You need to open your eyes a bit son.

There is more than this forum out there - and Haye is odds on with the bookmakers.

Just because a few selection of posters have opted for Valuev on this forum - there are masses of people out there expecting Haye to do the business.

Its not like your picking Buster Douglas to beat the Invincible Mike Tyson or anything.

Haye has got a decent chance of victory - because basically Valuev is very average - the only thing that is exceptional about him is his size.

Your stinging response to my post about you proves that its really true - hell hath no fury like a woman scorned

Posted: **20 Oct 2009, 21:04**

gemmell wrote:haye is a top bloke. very vry skilled for a 23 fight novice. he is so fast and hit's extrmely hard.i suggest he goes to the body of valuev early on.then maybe late on when valuev slow's down he can land that hayemaker and ko him

If Valuev slows down at any point he'll stop all together. If there's every been a mismatch in styles, this is it. I can't wait for this fight to happen, I just don't have a clue how it's going to go, we'll I say that, I'm pretty sure Haye will get caught and go, but if he stays out of range...then...no I don't have a clue.

Posted: **21 Oct 2009, 00:56**

FLINT ISLAND wrote: You need to open your eyes a bit son.

There is more than this forum out there - and Haye is odds on with the bookmakers.

I need to open my eyes?! If you actually had half a brain you'd open your own eyes and realise that my location is Dubai, which means two things:
1) Gambling's illegal here so there are no bookmakers
2) All the online gambling sites are blocked by a proxy so are impossible to access

So, SON, how would opening my eyes a bit help me get over that?

You really are a first-class tool Flint, but I'll console myself in the knowledge that just in the same way you got banned from another forum for your idiocy, it's only a matter of time before it happens here as well...

Posted: **21 Oct 2009, 06:39**

Deserter wrote:I need to open my eyes?! If you actually had half a brain you'd open your own eyes and realise that my location is Dubai, which means two things:
1) Gambling's illegal here so there are no bookmakers
2) All the online gambling sites are blocked by a proxy so are impossible to access

So, SON, how would opening my eyes a bit help me get over that?
You really are a first-class tool Flint, but I'll console myself in the knowledge that just in the same way you got banned from another forum for your idiocy, it's only a matter of time before it happens here as well...

Despite the fact that gambling is very much illegal across the UAE, there are still opportunities for a little flutter now and again.

At the camel races, one of the country's most traditional events, it is possible to have a cheeky bet without the authorities finding out simply by wearing the right coloured clothing. If you head down to the front of the racetrack sporting a vivid red t-shirt (football tops won't do) then within a minute or two you should feel a tug on your arm by one of the local 'shirka' boys. They don't speak fantastic English but should be able to give you a brief run down of the odds. Choose your winning camel and give the boy your stake (not too obviously) and he'll scarper off.

If you lose you'll never see him again and it'll be like some bizarre dream, but win and he'll eventually come scampering back with your money (make sure you are still wearing the red t-shirt).

It is widely believed that the police know about this activity but keep quiet for their own gambling desires, but whatever the truth, it's one of the only ways to have a little bet while remaining out of trouble.

Posted: **21 Oct 2009, 06:40**

Entertaining thread this but I think it's only fair to point out that Deserter said " I know I'm in a minority here". Presumably, the "here" refers to this forum and not the wider world of boxing fans and bookmakers.

Posted: **21 Oct 2009, 07:47**

nobby_nobbins wrote:Entertaining thread this but I think it's only fair to point out that Deserter said " I know I'm in a minority here". Presumably, the "here" refers to this forum and not the wider world of boxing fans and bookmakers.

Has there been a official poll on who Boxrec think is gonna win the fight ?

Link please

Posted: **21 Oct 2009, 07:51**

Deserter wrote:
FLINT ISLAND wrote: You need to open your eyes a bit son.

There is more than this forum out there - and Haye is odds on with the bookmakers.
I need to open my eyes?! If you actually had half a brain you'd open your own eyes and realise that my location is Dubai, which means two things:
1) Gambling's illegal here so there are no bookmakers
2) All the online gambling sites are blocked by a proxy so are impossible to access

So, SON, how would opening my eyes a bit help me get over that?
You really are a first-class tool Flint, but I'll console myself in the knowledge that just in the same way you got banned from another forum for your idiocy, it's only a matter of time before it happens here as well...

Yeah OK I get your point

Theres no need to go off on such a rant

I laughed at your comment about you saying your in the miniroity - and you came back spitting death at me

I'm a bit surprised though that most people are picking Valuev as I was under the impression looking through all types of forums and media sources - just as much people seem to be picking Haye or at least "hoping" he will do it

I dont see myself getting banned from this forum - not for doing anything silly anyway

My days of clowning about are over

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