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Lost count of the number I've disagreed with... a bit rarer to remember ones that seemed so wrong I got cross about it... remember being in Spain when Johnny Owen was robbed over 15 rounds against Juan Francisco Rodriguez in a European title fight, but that was a disgrace from beginning to end and you just knew it was going to happen... at the end of De La Hoya-Mosley 2nd fight I had no doubts at all that De La Hoya had won by a distance... I was right by the Mosley corner and whatever they said afterwards they believed they had lost right up to the decision being announced... Lewis-Holyfield I was awful. Off tape, fairly obscure but I saw the whole 15 rounds of a middleweight title fight, Gene Fullmer v Florentino Fernandez, and thought Fernandez won by a mile. In Utah, Fullmer got it. We could go on all day with this one, without even getting started on the domestic scene - and the countless undercard fights where the 'house' fighter has got a decision by a single point, or has been given a draw, when the kid from the 'wrong' corner has dominated.

bobmee wrote:Lost count of the number I've disagreed with... a bit rarer to remember ones that seemed so wrong I got cross about it... remember being in Spain when Johnny Owen was robbed over 15 rounds against Juan Francisco Rodriguez in a European title fight, but that was a disgrace from beginning to end and you just knew it was going to happen... at the end of De La Hoya-Mosley 2nd fight I had no doubts at all that De La Hoya had won by a distance... I was right by the Mosley corner and whatever they said afterwards they believed they had lost right up to the decision being announced... Lewis-Holyfield I was awful. Off tape, fairly obscure but I saw the whole 15 rounds of a middleweight title fight, Gene Fullmer v Florentino Fernandez, and thought Fernandez won by a mile. In Utah, Fullmer got it. We could go on all day with this one, without even getting started on the domestic scene - and the countless undercard fights where the 'house' fighter has got a decision by a single point, or has been given a draw, when the kid from the 'wrong' corner has dominated.

I have to disagree with you on the De La Hoya v Mosely II fight. The Mosely corner were telling Shane that he needs to do more as there is no way they would give him the decision in Vegas. Vegas would normally plump for the big money fighter in a fight were the rounds are not being dominated one way or another, hence, that is were they coming from. They were genuinely surprised that they got the decision for that reason, not because they honestly felt their man lost more rounds than De La Hoya. The same thing happened in Dirrels corner in the last round against Froch, they told their man to go for the KO, because they felt he wasnt getting the decision. It didnt mean that they didnt think he had actually won the fight.

Back to Mosely v De La Hoya II. I saw this as Mosely's fight, especially from the third and and fourth rounds onwards, he definitely stepped up his game and landed the cleaner shots. Bert Sugar and Budd Schulberg met George Foreman on the way out of the arena that night and both told Foreman that they thought Mosely was the clear winner. Foreman admitted that perhaps he might have went too far with his view on air (Foreman and the HBO crew were outrage, and Foreman suggested that De La Hoya got robbed). The HBO coverage (normally excellent) was pretty shocking, they dissed Mosely for most of the fight and were not mentioning Mosely's shots at all, whilst praising everything that De La Hoya threw, even the punches that Mosely blocked.

I remember feeling physically sick watching Lewis draw with Holyfield and Brdie get stiffed v Jorrin.

Reid v Ottke is another, he was several rounds ahead, and Barrera v Morales 1.

Barrera was clear winner of that in my opinion.

And to be fair to DLH I had him winning v Mosley in that fight, and I thought he beat Trinidad.

I have to disagree with you on the De La Hoya v Mosely II fight. The Mosely corner were telling Shane that he needs to do more as there is no way they would give him the decision in Vegas. Vegas would normally plump for the big money fighter in a fight were the rounds are not being dominated one way or another, hence, that is were they coming from. They were genuinely surprised that they got the decision for that reason, not because they honestly felt their man lost more rounds than De La Hoya. The same thing happened in Dirrels corner in the last round against Froch, they told their man to go for the KO, because they felt he wasnt getting the decision. It didnt mean that they didnt think he had actually won the fight.

Back to Mosely v De La Hoya II. I saw this as Mosely's fight, especially from the third and and fourth rounds onwards, he definitely stepped up his game and landed the cleaner shots. Bert Sugar and Budd Schulberg met George Foreman on the way out of the arena that night and both told Foreman that they thought Mosely was the clear winner. Foreman admitted that perhaps he might have went too far with his view on air (Foreman and the HBO crew were outrage, and Foreman suggested that De La Hoya got robbed). The HBO coverage (normally excellent) was pretty shocking, they dissed Mosely for most of the fight and were not mentioning Mosely's shots at all, whilst praising everything that De La Hoya threw, even the punches that Mosely blocked.


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Fair enough, we disagree. But I do know what I saw & heard in & around Mosley's corner during and immediately after the fight & I don't believe they were just saying things for effect. No idea what HBO did, I was ringside and watching it for myself. Vegas judges are a law unto themselves, they don't always go with the money, but - impossible to predict what they'll do next.
Yes, I had Sturm beating De La Hoya - and De La Hoya beating Trinidad... Barrera beating Morales in the wonderful first fight. You've got to be good to get all of those wrong!

jamesmcdonnell wrote:JC Chavez over Pernell whittaker - a fekking disgrace and a half.

Forgot that one that was a shocker

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Deno1986 wrote:I know it didn't go to a decision but Richard Steele stopping Meldrick Taylor vs Chavez after 2.58 of the 12th round with Taylor cruising to a SD victory was a terrbile refereeing decision. He deserved to be allowed to continue for 2 more seconds!

I disagree actually, the ref was right to stop it, Taylor had taken a horrific beating during that fight and was swallowing lots of blood from a fractured orbit bone around his eye, one punch could have been enough in that instance.

Also, how aware was steele there were two second or ten seconds left?

Its always going to be a fight that is going to divide boxing fans, Steele failed to recognise the signal that there was 10 seconds left in the fight which is one of the roles of the referee. I dont believe Steele was part of a Don King payoff as was reported however, it was just lack of observation, I always thought he was the best ref in boxing but this was a mistake. I respect and understand your views aswell however.

Fury-McDermott I had McDermott 4 up.

Pacman v marquez...thought marquez got robbed in one of thoses fights.

stujones wrote:
Have to say Froch vs Dirrell is "up there" in the worst in a major fight bracket

The fact that no one can agree on who should have one the fight means that Froch V Dirrell doesn't factor for me, and I thought Froch got it by a round.

I can't remember who it was exactly fighting, but it was a scandalous decision that made national press...it was in Ireland, an Irish fighter, a couple of years back. An Italian fighter came over to fight him, got battered and the ref still gave him the lift? Anyone?

Moludrottu and Kelly mate! By far and away the worst I have ever see, I think i was generous and gave Simone two rounds, it was sick

Ah that's it, think it was mentioned earlier...

Was a mental decision, just checked the date, can't believe it was 3 and half years ago

I see they fought again and Kelly got KO'd always the way.

More recent: Sergio Martinez vs Kermit Cintron

That fight left a really bad taste in my mouth. Martinez totally outboxed Cintron, and even knocked him down for longer than the 10 count, yet only got a draw.

bobmee wrote: 'house' fighter has got a decision by a single point, or has been given a draw, when the kid from the 'wrong' corner has dominated.

Ben Murphy beat Paul Holborn on Friday in Sunderland and was awarded a draw bt Andrew Wright for his efforts. And Holborn had a point off for holding to add insult to injury.
Let it be said though, both men gave 110%

stujones wrote:Have to say Froch vs Dirrell is "up there" in the worst in a major fight bracket

If Froch vs Dirrell is "up there" then boxing bouts have been pretty fairly scored by judges in major fights over the years.

Wharton vs Fidel Castro was an absolute shocker.

Yes, agree - Kelly-Maludrottu in Belfast was mystifying.

Way back, one of the worst was the first Pat Cowdell-David Needham fight for the British featherweight title... Cowdell outboxed Needham almost from the start, Needham bustled his way back a bit late on, but seemed way behind. There was a moment of silence and shock when Sid Nathan raised Needham's glove, then a huge roar of protest that was like a communal howl. Cowdell stood stunned for a second or so then, class fighter that he was, walked across and shook hands with Needham... Ordinary middle-aged men in suits and ties were crowding round at ringside accusing Nathan of being bent. He needed a police escort out of the place and the Board of Control ordered a rematch that was held six weeks later. Cowdell won that one, ironically, a closer fight, at the Albert Hall.

Kelly fight was a shocker.

Jacobs v Dunne

Vanzie v Earl

tsyon the fat gypsi furry had a gifted decision sorry for the abuse but i just dont like the man

Roy Jones Jrs Olympic final in Seoul. So bad they changed the judging system (to a worse one).

De-La-Hoya VS Sturm was a debatable decision - with a fight with B-Hop on the line, no way he could lose that one!

Deserter wrote:Wharton vs Fidel Castro was an absolute shocker.

the legendary Harry Mullan scored by 1/2 point to Castro-Smith from ringside.Another case of those watching from television seeing a completely different fight to those present.

mickey1975 wrote:

Deserter wrote:Wharton vs Fidel Castro was an absolute shocker.

the legendary Harry Mullan scored by 1/2 point to Castro-Smith from ringside.Another case of those watching from television seeing a completely different fight to those present.

Was going to say that fight as well, i thought Castro won it by 4 rounds.

bobmee wrote:Lost count of the number I've disagreed with... a bit rarer to remember ones that seemed so wrong I got cross about it... remember being in Spain when Johnny Owen was robbed over 15 rounds against Juan Francisco Rodriguez in a European title fight, but that was a disgrace from beginning to end and you just knew it was going to happen... at the end of De La Hoya-Mosley 2nd fight I had no doubts at all that De La Hoya had won by a distance... I was right by the Mosley corner and whatever they said afterwards they believed they had lost right up to the decision being announced... Lewis-Holyfield I was awful. Off tape, fairly obscure but I saw the whole 15 rounds of a middleweight title fight, Gene Fullmer v Florentino Fernandez, and thought Fernandez won by a mile. In Utah, Fullmer got it. We could go on all day with this one, without even getting started on the domestic scene - and the countless undercard fights where the 'house' fighter has got a decision by a single point, or has been given a draw, when the kid from the 'wrong' corner has dominated.

Your thoughts on Froch v Dirrell?

mickey1975 wrote:

Deserter wrote:Wharton vs Fidel Castro was an absolute shocker.

the legendary Harry Mullan scored by 1/2 point to Castro-Smith from ringside.Another case of those watching from television seeing a completely different fight to those present.

That's interesting mate as I genuinely didn't know that. I watched it on TV and all I can remember is that afterwards I was shocked as all I'd seen was Wharton plodding after Smith and getting caught consistently... and I say that as a Wharton fan!

Deserter wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:

Deserter wrote:Wharton vs Fidel Castro was an absolute shocker.

the legendary Harry Mullan scored by 1/2 point to Castro-Smith from ringside.Another case of those watching from television seeing a completely different fight to those present.

That's interesting mate as I genuinely didn't know that. I watched it on TV and all I can remember is that afterwards I was shocked as all I'd seen was Wharton plodding after Smith and getting caught consistently... and I say that as a Wharton fan!

Yes,thats the way 99% of the t.v viewers saw it.At the stadium,there was no outcry,but it was a very hostile pro-Wharton crowd.Looking back,headlinig at Elland road in only his 16th bout,live on the BBC,i wouldnt be suprised if the ref subconciously favoured Henry.They are the sorts of pressure you just dont get nowadays