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Re: Can Haye return to the Cruiserweight division?
Posted: 28 Oct 2009, 08:27
by Asterix
Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:Asterix wrote:Not easily, but it could be done. However, he might then be ripe for the picking. He'll need to take off 10 lbs or so of muscle in order to get down. Dangerous.
He'd need to take of 25 to 30lbs more like.
Other combat fighters lose 50lbs+, so it's possible, but he'd have poop for stamina.
I guess so. I was thinking that he might be around 225 lbs, so then to drain the last 15, which is crazy, but Pacquiao managed to do it!
Re: Can Haye return to the Cruiserweight division?
Posted: 28 Oct 2009, 08:43
by housesecond
Of course he could get back to cruiser. I used to be a 16 stone bodybuilder, now I'm a 12 stone racing snake. Change the diet and change the training and its done. Show me someone under 6ft2 who says they can't get down to 14st4 and I'll show you someone who doesn't really understand how clever the human body is.
Having said that I'll bear my arse on Leeds Town Hall steps if he ever goes back to cruiser. It's all about the money.
Re: Can Haye return to the Cruiserweight division?
Posted: 28 Oct 2009, 09:08
by jamesmcdonnell
Its a pointless thread really. I'm sure he could, but he never will, if he doesn't succeed at heavyweight, I'm certain he will retire. He's probably done alright already financially, and with a couple of big title fights should earn enough to jack it in.
Re: Can Haye return to the Cruiserweight division?
Posted: 28 Oct 2009, 09:25
by lefthook82
Nobody cares about the cruisers. Its like being in the suburbs and willingly going back to the ghetto
Re: Can Haye return to the Cruiserweight division?
Posted: 28 Oct 2009, 09:45
by jamesmcdonnell
housesecond wrote:Of course he could get back to cruiser. I used to be a 16 stone bodybuilder, now I'm a 12 stone racing snake. Change the diet and change the training and its done. Show me someone under 6ft2 who says they can't get down to 14st4 and I'll show you someone who doesn't really understand how clever the human body is.
Having said that I'll bear my arse on Leeds Town Hall steps if he ever goes back to cruiser. It's all about the money.
Exactly, the fact is he used to make 190 before they raised the limit for cruiserweight, and that's not that many years ago.
Haye has added weight through diet and training, no reason he couldn't do it the other way.
Re: Can Haye return to the Cruiserweight division?
Posted: 28 Oct 2009, 10:05
by FLINT ISLAND
If someone offered Haye another £1 million to fight at Crusierweight again he would do it
He claimed Mormeck would be his last fight at Crusierweight 100%
The Warren waved his cheque book at him to the tune of £1 million - he so he was prepared to make the sacrafice to boil down one last time to fight Maccarenelli
Problem is - there are no more £1 million fights at Crusierweight for Haye
Re: Can Haye return to the Cruiserweight division?
Posted: 28 Oct 2009, 10:09
by FLINT ISLAND
He might not go back down to Crusierweight - but he is defenelty going down at heavyweight sooner or later
Re: Can Haye return to the Cruiserweight division?
Posted: 28 Oct 2009, 10:57
by gemmell
Re: Can Haye return to the Cruiserweight division?
Posted: 28 Oct 2009, 11:51
by Autobarn
if haye does eff up at heavyweight i'm sure he could think of something such as making an offer to a decent cruiserweight who could come up for some kind of catchweight contest, etc. if it makes money it makes sense, and boxers - especially talented, marketable ones - have numerous ways of salvaging their careers.
heavyweight titles do change hands, often unexpectedly. openings do happen. at worst you'd think haye could knock out some domestic heavies, a prize fighter winner, maybe take up some wazza offer? you never know what is going to happen and you never know what ppl will do.
Re: Can Haye return to the Cruiserweight division?
Posted: 28 Oct 2009, 12:30
by alexpaterson
I doubt it he has put on pure muscle and thats difficult to lose. He'll probably stay around the HW divison fighting top 10 fighters if he loses
Re: Can Haye return to the Cruiserweight division?
Posted: 28 Oct 2009, 13:15
by jamesmcdonnell
alexpaterson wrote:I doubt it he has put on pure muscle and thats difficult to lose. He'll probably stay around the HW divison fighting top 10 fighters if he loses
Muscle is actually very easy to lose - it just has to be done sensibly. It's hard to lose natural muscle, that you achieved without weights - because that is your bodies natural distribution of muscle mass, but muscle you build through lifting weights is easily lost, reduce calorie intake, do more cardio, and stop lifting weights will do the tricks.
The only reason Jones Jr effed up is he tried to do it much too fast.
Re: Can Haye return to the Cruiserweight division?
Posted: 28 Oct 2009, 19:30
by n1ebf
Carlos-Wigan wrote:FLINT ISLAND wrote:I know why Mr Allege did it though
He was trying to buy the Cruierweight division titles
Cos if Enzo had won he would have had all WBC / WBA / WBO titles under his control
And then they would have proably tried for a fight with Cunnigham and Mr Allege would have made Cunnigham a good offer to come to Cardiff or Manchester or London
And they would have promoted it as all the titles - including IBF - being unifed in a massive showdown
Even though Cunnigham was not a big name
Sports network would have hyped it up and made everyone take notice
But it backfired because Warren ended up with no Crusierweight titles under his control after that fight
Who cares?
It's over - done and dusted!
Why did Barry McGuigan fight Texan Steve Cruz in the afternoon desert?
Why didn't Sugar Ray Robinson not get a remactch with Tiger Jones?
Why didn't Jack Dempsey go to the neutral corner in the battle of the long count?
What I want to know is - who did Adam Rickitt beat for the North of England middleweight title? Was it Lennox Lewis?
or Ted "Kid" Lewis..??
then barrett hit haye for the first time in the whole fight whilst haye was on his kness 