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Re: Martin Rogan: The Scandal
Posted: 12 Nov 2009, 08:57
by DavidPayne
Coco wrote:Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:What happens in sparring, stays in sparring 8)
Haha yeah I forgot about his sparring stories!
Which were...I missed em.
Re: Martin Rogan: The Scandal
Posted: 12 Nov 2009, 12:26
by whicker
Rogan wasn't fully healed after the injury that had caused the postponment of the first date for the rematch.
For sure, some people who were aware of this may well have decided to bet based on this knowledge, but that is NOT corrupt or dishonest- it's merely, as they say, taking a gamble when the odds appear in your favour.
Re: Martin Rogan: The Scandal
Posted: 12 Nov 2009, 13:16
by Dirk Kelly
1southpaw wrote:
mate listen rogan is a nasty piece of work . he has been invovled in a lot of bad stuff over the years . don't be fooled by what you see on the tele .
You do make me chuckle, what did he do - take you the long way round in his cab? Over charge you?
Re: Martin Rogan: The Scandal
Posted: 12 Nov 2009, 15:35
by funso banjo baby
Fury couldnt carry Rogans jockstrap
Re: Martin Rogan: The Scandal
Posted: 12 Nov 2009, 15:49
by failedairman
one boxer gets beaten by another, better boxer. It happens and we all move on. If British H/W division was not so poor no one would give a damn. The scandal is with our domestic division and the lack of depth it offers, we have a relative novice as english champion and a beaten man as british champion. Sad state of affairs
Re: Martin Rogan: The Scandal
Posted: 12 Nov 2009, 15:53
by Coco
DavidPayne wrote:Coco wrote:Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:What happens in sparring, stays in sparring 8)
Haha yeah I forgot about his sparring stories!
Which were...I missed em.
When he was first on here he claimed to have dropped Colin Kenna in sparring, then when asked to elaborate he would only say 'What happens in sparring, stays in sparring'.
Billy Bessey cheched it out and it proved to be bs!lol
Re: Martin Rogan: The Scandal
Posted: 12 Nov 2009, 16:09
by steve689
Funny business on the Falls Road? Whatever next....

Re: Martin Rogan: The Scandal
Posted: 13 Nov 2009, 05:32
by DavidPayne
failedairman wrote:one boxer gets beaten by another, better boxer. It happens and we all move on. If British H/W division was not so poor no one would give a damn. The scandal is with our domestic division and the lack of depth it offers, we have a relative novice as english champion and a beaten man as british champion. Sad state of affairs
Really. Perhaps you could point me toward the hall of fame era to which all subsequent eras should be compared?
Presumably Cooper, Richardson et all in the fifties and sixties?
I would think a British heavyweight top ten of Haye-Williams-Sprott-Rogan-Harrison-Sexton-Fury-Price-McDermott is pretty comparable.
True the likes of Sexton, Fury et all are green-horns but there is a world-champion, two Olympic medalists etc in that list....
Re: Martin Rogan: The Scandal
Posted: 13 Nov 2009, 05:34
by DavidPayne
However, I am feeling frisky today.
Re: Martin Rogan: The Scandal
Posted: 13 Nov 2009, 09:14
by rhino222
DavidPayne wrote:failedairman wrote:one boxer gets beaten by another, better boxer. It happens and we all move on. If British H/W division was not so poor no one would give a damn. The scandal is with our domestic division and the lack of depth it offers, we have a relative novice as english champion and a beaten man as british champion. Sad state of affairs
Really. Perhaps you could point me toward the hall of fame era to which all subsequent eras should be compared?
Presumably Cooper, Richardson et all in the fifties and sixties?
I would think a British heavyweight top ten of Haye-Williams-Sprott-Rogan-Harrison-Sexton-Fury-Price-McDermott is pretty comparable.
True the likes of Sexton, Fury et all are green-horns but there is a world-champion, two Olympic medalists etc in that list....
im with you on this point dave...
shall we go back to the days of neville meade? ........ horace notice?
Re: Martin Rogan: The Scandal
Posted: 13 Nov 2009, 11:59
by Neri
I think there are many great matchups to be made in the british heavy division. Okay they are no world beaters but the fighters mentioned by David Payne can still feature in some good domestic rivalries (besides Haye of course). Throw in Chisora and any combination which hasn't already happened could make heavy scene quite interesting.
Re: Martin Rogan: The Scandal
Posted: 13 Nov 2009, 16:43
by beanskiz
DavidPayne wrote:I love the revisionsim. Rogan wins - he's brilliant, honest, down-to-earth slugger. Rogan loses - he's cheating, lazy, nasty bit of work.
Well put man
Re: Martin Rogan: The Scandal
Posted: 13 Nov 2009, 16:48
by beanskiz
did i hear right today about a possible Rogan vs Williams bout..
Re: Martin Rogan: The Scandal
Posted: 13 Nov 2009, 16:53
by a-MAZE-ing
funso banjo baby wrote:Fury couldnt carry Rogans jockstrap
But I bet you would, huh? I bet that you love Rogan's ruggedness!
Re: Martin Rogan: The Scandal
Posted: 13 Nov 2009, 16:54
by steve689
Yeah I'm hearing that too. He's going private and paying £10,000 for the operation too.
Re: Martin Rogan: The Scandal
Posted: 13 Nov 2009, 17:58
by Crease
From what I heard, (a former sparring partner of Rogan's and a fried of his)...
1. Rogie did have an injury, apparently he struggled with his left shoulder for weeks prior to the fight.
2. Rogie also had a niggle in his neck.
3. Rogie arranged with a family member... He put a £1000 bet on Sexton to beat him...
It was somewhat of an open secret between a small crowd...
This being the reason that the bookmakers stopped taking bets, due to "suspicous betting".
***
By the way, I only heard today that Corbett has been boasting that he's the only man ever to drop Rogan... (in sparring).
And my insider tells me that will be sorted out "in the street, before it would ever be settled in the ring".

Re: Martin Rogan: The Scandal
Posted: 14 Nov 2009, 09:29
by BARNEYKX
steve689 wrote:Yeah I'm hearing that too. He's going private and paying £10,000 for the operation too.
In papers i read he says he needs to find £10,000 for his back op, Skelton win, prize fighter win 2 losses to Sexton ,whats he doing with his money ?? giving it away??
Re: Martin Rogan: The Scandal
Posted: 15 Nov 2009, 08:19
by thepocketrocket
All a bit dodgy this...Is this OK to stay on the forum?? Interesting info
Re: Martin Rogan: The Scandal
Posted: 15 Nov 2009, 09:35
by Hagler2002
Crease wrote:From what I heard, (a former sparring partner of Rogan's and a fried of his)...
1. Rogie did have an injury, apparently he struggled with his left shoulder for weeks prior to the fight.
2. Rogie also had a niggle in his neck.
3. Rogie arranged with a family member... He put a £1000 bet on Sexton to beat him...
It was somewhat of an open secret between a small crowd...
This being the reason that the bookmakers stopped taking bets, due to "suspicous betting".
***
By the way, I only heard today that Corbett has been boasting that he's the only man ever to drop Rogan... (in sparring).
And my insider tells me that will be sorted out "in the street, before it would ever be settled in the ring".

What a big crock of Irish shite

Re: Martin Rogan: The Scandal
Posted: 16 Nov 2009, 14:45
by 1southpaw
Dirk Kelly wrote:1southpaw wrote:
mate listen rogan is a nasty piece of work . he has been invovled in a lot of bad stuff over the years . don't be fooled by what you see on the tele .
You do make me chuckle, what did he do - take you the long way round in his cab? Over charge you?
mate i dont
i dont need to start talking on here about things that dont matter now but all im trying to say is rogan is not the nice guy people say he is ????
Re: Martin Rogan: The Scandal
Posted: 16 Nov 2009, 15:31
by whicker
Crease wrote: Rogie arranged with a family member... He put a £1000 bet on Sexton to beat him...
If a person feels the odds on his opponent, are, put bluntly, better than they should be, it must be tempting to get someone to stick something on.
If he DOES win, fornicate it, whats £X lost on a bet compared to a win? If he loses, then the cash from the winnings is a bit of compensation.
If I was a boxer, I'd be well tempted to hedge my purse by betting against myself.
Made as a general point only, and in no direct relation to Rogan.