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iwz678 wrote:Colin Hart needs to get with the times, we are now living in the present and David Haye is the future.

Ali was a great fighter but his time has been and Boxing has moved on.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I think that as much as Hart might get criticised, he has a fair point. James Lawton made similar points.

It was a dreadful fight, and a terrible performance from both men - and it represents one of the low points in the history of heavyweight title fights.

Yes, it's nice to have a british fighter holding one of the heavyweight belts - but lets not be effusive here - it wasn't a great performance and Haye has to beat one of the Klitchskos if he wants to be considered one of the main men at heavyweight.

The heavyweight division is appalling at the moment - worse even than the late 80's before Tyson came along, Vitali and Wlad are so far ahead of all the leading contenders it's ridiculous, and neither man would have have dominated anything 10-15 years ago. They are merely the best in mediocre era.

Terry D wrote:
Carbo, my mistake, should have said in terms of quality I think the lit field is weak now. Come one now, sales etc are a bit too concrete for me to deal with.

FLINT ISLAND wrote:Colin Hart claimed that Ali would have toyed with Tyson when he was commentating on the Tyson V Douglas fight.

Hart looks at things through rose tinted glasses.

Naz was horrid to Darke in Altlantic City...............but Naz is a hypocrite - he treated people like poop himself

First Warren and then Enzo Calzaghe and Enzo Macc and now Colin Hart - refusing to give Haye credit for big wins.

FLINT ISLAND wrote:Colin Hart claimed that Ali would have toyed with Tyson when he was commentating on the Tyson V Douglas fight.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

FLINT ISLAND wrote:Colin Hart claimed that Ali would have toyed with Tyson when he was commentating on the Tyson V Douglas fight.

Hart looks at things through rose tinted glasses.

Naz was horrid to Darke in Altlantic City...............but Naz is a hypocrite - he treated people like poop himself

First Warren and then Enzo Calzaghe and Enzo Macc and now Colin Hart - refusing to give Haye credit for big wins.

Whats so silly about saying Ali would have toyed with Tyson? It's quite possible. Tyson never faced anyone with Ali's speed, toughness and overall skill level.

charlieb wrote:Doesn't Eurosport have a gap to fill with Gutteridge gone?

Whining and naysaying in relative obscurity would be a perfect fit for Hart.

stujones wrote:

charlieb wrote:Doesn't Eurosport have a gap to fill with Gutteridge gone?

Whining and naysaying in relative obscurity would be a perfect fit for Hart.

???? Not sure I understand. Gutteridge never commentated on Eurosport. Hart did very breifly.

Terry D wrote:

Carbo wrote:

Terry D wrote:
Carbo, my mistake, should have said in terms of quality I think the lit field is weak now. Come one now, sales etc are a bit too concrete for me to deal with.

Well, on the literary front, I'm not exactly ready for the panel of that late night review program on BBC2 with Tony Parsons and Mark Lawson, so I might be completely wrong when I say this, but I would argue that there's plenty of excellent literature around these days. Some of the work done by Indian and Pakistani authors in the English language is fabulous, and I just read On Chesil Beach, by Ian McEwan, with which I was very impressed. I've also read some Cormack McCarthy of late, who seems to me to write magical (and violent) fables about America in the stoic-realism style of Hemmingway.

I think you just need to look beyond the boxing autobiographies...

In terms of sales, I haven't a clue.

I'm not blown away by McEwan, McCarthy also, though my girlfriend is a big fan. The general level has gone down. Our best, the names mention, cannot hold a candle to some of the stuff that preceded them. Peace's quintet was amazing but nothing else really grabs me by the ghoulies. Consequently, I'm ready The Castle for the third time and have whirled through The Trial again. A lot of new literature leaves a lot to be desired.

Terry D wrote:

Carbo wrote:

Terry D wrote:
Carbo, my mistake, should have said in terms of quality I think the lit field is weak now. Come one now, sales etc are a bit too concrete for me to deal with.

Well, on the literary front, I'm not exactly ready for the panel of that late night review program on BBC2 with Tony Parsons and Mark Lawson, so I might be completely wrong when I say this, but I would argue that there's plenty of excellent literature around these days. Some of the work done by Indian and Pakistani authors in the English language is fabulous, and I just read On Chesil Beach, by Ian McEwan, with which I was very impressed. I've also read some Cormack McCarthy of late, who seems to me to write magical (and violent) fables about America in the stoic-realism style of Hemmingway.

I think you just need to look beyond the boxing autobiographies...

In terms of sales, I haven't a clue.

I'm not blown away by McEwan, McCarthy also, though my girlfriend is a big fan. The general level has gone down. Our best, the names mention, cannot hold a candle to some of the stuff that preceded them. Peace's quintet was amazing but nothing else really grabs me by the ghoulies. Consequently, I'm ready The Castle for the third time and have whirled through The Trial again. A lot of new literature leaves a lot to be desired.

Terry D wrote: The general level has gone down. Our best, the names mention, cannot hold a candle to some of the stuff that preceded them... A lot of new literature leaves a lot to be desired.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

FLINT ISLAND wrote:Colin Hart claimed that Ali would have toyed with Tyson when he was commentating on the Tyson V Douglas fight.

Hart looks at things through rose tinted glasses.

Naz was horrid to Darke in Altlantic City...............but Naz is a hypocrite - he treated people like poop himself

First Warren and then Enzo Calzaghe and Enzo Macc and now Colin Hart - refusing to give Haye credit for big wins.

Whats so silly about saying Ali would have toyed with Tyson? It's quite possible. Tyson never faced anyone with Ali's speed, toughness and overall skill level.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

FLINT ISLAND wrote:Colin Hart claimed that Ali would have toyed with Tyson when he was commentating on the Tyson V Douglas fight.

Hart looks at things through rose tinted glasses.

Naz was horrid to Darke in Altlantic City...............but Naz is a hypocrite - he treated people like poop himself

First Warren and then Enzo Calzaghe and Enzo Macc and now Colin Hart - refusing to give Haye credit for big wins.

Whats so silly about saying Ali would have toyed with Tyson? It's quite possible. Tyson never faced anyone with Ali's speed, toughness and overall skill level.

Terry D wrote:Frazier was no slouch. He'd have given Tyson tons of problems. His hooking was shorter than Mike's and in his pomp Joe would have been on Tyson's chest. I think Frazier would have been in with a shot against Tyson.

Top Dog wrote:

Ali did have speed but done most of his work on the back foot, almost like DIRRELL, cluster of quick soft punches then clinch, now that is FACT, most of the heavyweights he fought were really small in comparison, most of them wouldnt make heavyweight now, and would struggle to make Cruiser! He had tons of trouble with Frazer, and prime Tyson was a lot faster and harder hitting than Joe

DavidPayne wrote:

Wales wrote:Persoanlly think Vitali would've held his own in any era, on the other hand wladamir is far too fragile. Really surprises me more opponents dont try and jump on him, like sanders did. Easier said than done when you're having a left jab down the throat, but you get the idea.

Based on losing to Fat and Old Lewis and beating that murderer's row of devout professionals;

Fat Kirk Johnson
Fat and Old Corrie Sanders
Fat Danny Williams
Fat Sam Peter
Fat Chris Arreola

Someone illuminate me to his great moments?

Vitaly is a good heavyweight, but he's not great.

Carbo wrote:Vitaly would cause problems for any heavyweight in history, but that doesn't mean he'd be favourite to beat them. Certainly, if's doubtful that either would have been outstanding even during the 90s, which is very underrated as a heavyweight era.

Terry D wrote:

saad muhammad wrote:Mark kaylor lives in california, wayne mCcullough lives in vegas,
C.B.Edwards also lives in vegas..... Are they all American, you mug.
Your'e obviously a very jealous man.

Jealous of what? Did any of those guys live abroad for most of their teenage years and adult life, represent another country at the Games and fly the flag for their adopted homeland? Nope, Kaylor boxed out off London for almost his entire career you complete and utter tit. At one point an engagement in Watford would have been considered travelling abroad for a fight by Mark. Nope, Mark married an American woman, moved over there with her. He did not move there as a child, learn his trade there and represent the States at the Games.

Terry D wrote:Frazier was no slouch. He'd have given Tyson tons of problems. His hooking was shorter than Mike's and in his pomp Joe would have been on Tyson's chest. I think Frazier would have been in with a shot against Tyson.