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MightyWarrior wrote:Was this meant to be a tune up?? I hadn't really followed the story, but guess you're refering to Hopkins...which wouldn't have interested me at all - 20 years ago maybe.

Green is a monster, he was always going to be coming at Roy relentlessly for 12 rounds, and with the weight and punch he was always going to be a very live one for Roy. That was never a tune up, more like Australia's biggest fight in years.

Hopkins vs Jones was apparently a done deal, arranged for early 2010. They did this same day fight to draw more attention to it..... possibly a PPV

Jones is a legend regardless of this but I do think his victory over Ruiz, whilst still a great achievement, is overrated when looked at in an historical context. One victory over one of the worst champions in history does not compare to Spinks vs Holmes for me. In earlier eras plenty of light heavys defeated much better heavys than Ruiz.

In fct in tody's era James Toney, another former middleweight, did far more at heavy than Jones did. And OK he cheated, but then so did Jones.

forgetting about the british commentators when calzaghe beat jones?

Yeah it wasn't same as Spinks but I don't think Jones was ever even a legitimate 175lb fighter due to his size... plus he was a fair few years older than Spinks wasn't he? Still the guy was brilliant and made it look easy at his best. When you think how easily he pulverised someone like Sugarboy Malinga, who gave Benn and Eubank life-and-death tussles you can see why they never fought him and even when way past it he still knocked down Calzaghe and took all he had to offer for 12 rounds without even going down!

lirva wrote:forgetting about the british commentators when calzaghe beat jones?

no im not. these aussies were diabolical

MrBoxingUK2 wrote:

lirva wrote:forgetting about the british commentators when calzaghe beat jones?

no im not. these aussies were diabolical

Not from their perspective. A local fighter had indeed beaten a legend.

"Home" commentating is part of the business- "they think its all over.... it is now."

Had it been OPPOSITION fans running on the pitch (when the opposition was winning), it would have been "It's diabolical- this match should be stopped immediatly."

I could live with ''conquers the legend'' but ''conquers the world'' as though he had just knocked out floyd mayweather jnr in the 1st round seemed a bit excessive even for home commentators.

Naturally bias, and who was the other commentator.... seemed like a mate of Green "go to the body!!".

However, had Green been the first he would have been remembered forever.... look at Buster Douglas. Kevin McBride won't be, but Green will be remembered more for this than his world title reign.

Agreed. Don't get me wrong I think he was a once in a lifetime talent and dominated in a way few others can. He hardly lost a round before he hit the downward curve and for all his deserved plaudits not even Mayweather can say that.

It's been said before but it is a shame he didn't seek out tougher challenges when at his peak because I think he would have beaten them all. If he had managed his career better his historical position would be secure even if he hadn't have moved up to beat Ruiz.

And I actually rate his win over Tarver given what happened subsequently. He had clearly lost a lot but managed to pull it out in the last few rounds when it was there for the taking for Tarver.

This fight belongs in the same bracket as Kevin McBride's win over Mike Tyson. It means nothing, except that Jones is maybe even more of a shot fighter than we thought.

glahn wrote:This fight belongs in the same bracket as Kevin McBride's win over Mike Tyson. It means nothing, except that Jones is maybe even more of a shot fighter than we thought.

Maybe the fight belongs in the same bracket.... but Green doesn't. The guy was a legitimate world champion and possibly should have been a two weight world champion.

This was actually a good 50:50 contest pre-fight. Despite it being hyped as a tune up. McBride was deservedly never given a pray against any version of Tyson.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Movx_5Ic ... re=related

Another great example here. The interview at 4:20 is just pure ignorance of what happened before.


Congratulations...well done

Not really that much difference from any other commentator, Smith, Rawling, the muppets at HBO and even Ian Darke goes overboard sometimes.

MightyWarrior wrote:Yeah I pity the Ausie boxing fans, having to put up with hysterical commentary like that all the time. Sounded like they were about to have an accident over their monitors.

"THE BIGGEST FIGHT IN AUSTRALIAN HISTORY...THE IBO CRUISERWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP OF THE WORLD!"

Funny as fornicate...but if I was a 12-year-old Aussie, I'd love it.

yeah I've seen that clip before. Mugs. The series is called "superboxer" ffs. What else do u need to know.

Having spent 3 weeks in Thailand (it's like an Aussie's Benidorm, Greece, Malta etc..) this year, I can tell you that apart from the two proper "Chopper" tash sporting aussies I was talking to, apart from that I generally found Aussies boring, boring, boring, and a bit too fckin much to say.

I would certainly never have any ambition to go there like some people seem to.

FAR to many more interesting places to go to that require nowhere near as much travel.

The Australian equivalent of Jimmy Magee

and i am sure journalistic/commentary sensationalism never happens in the UK. One particular commentator is a foxtel FUCKWIT and doesnt know anything(like most of the crews that work for fox),one is Barry Michaels and thhe other is paul Briggs who generally is a good commentator.Think hee just caughht up in the hhype.barry is demented after swallowing too much mundine semen.

i am amazed that following thhis fighht green hhas been bashhed,Australia has beeen bashhed,Australians have been bashed,thhere have been conspiracy thheories regarding a fixeed fighht/phantom punch. Quite amusing...if it was not so sad. i am pretty sure we are not the only country in thhe world that suffer from generalised majority ignorance and terrible commercial media.Perhaps i am wrong.

most aussie fight fans are happy for Green,see the fighht for what it is aand that includes the fact that to most on this forum+current scene were waaaaaaaaaaaaay off the mark with regards to the result.We are not stupid enoughh to buy thee sensationalised nonsense the media vomit even thhough many of thhe ignorant majority may. ye gods.

hmmm NEBF-base an opinion on a whole race on meeting a few in Thailand.Now thheres objectivity. An your comparison of Thailand to the holiday jaunts for your countrymen was wrong..basically. but your welcome to your opinion of course.

JSA wrote:and i am sure journalistic/commentary sensationalism never happens in the UK. One particular commentator is a foxtel FUCKWIT and doesnt know anything(like most of the crews that work for fox),one is Barry Michaels and thhe other is paul Briggs who generally is a good commentator.Think hee just caughht up in the hhype.barry is demented after swallowing too much mundine semen.

i am amazed that following thhis fighht green hhas been bashhed,Australia has beeen bashhed,Australians have been bashed,thhere have been conspiracy thheories regarding a fixeed fighht/phantom punch. Quite amusing...if it was not so sad. i am pretty sure we are not the only country in thhe world that suffer from generalised majority ignorance and terrible commercial media.Perhaps i am wrong.

most aussie fight fans are happy for Green,see the fighht for what it is aand that includes the fact that to most on this forum+current scene were waaaaaaaaaaaaay off the mark with regards to the result.We are not stupid enoughh to buy thee sensationalised nonsense the media vomit even thhough many of thhe ignorant majority may. ye gods.

Sir, have you been drinking by any chance?

nope,but my keyboard is permanently pissed hence the many double letters-i apologise.....i assume that is what drew your queestion?FARKING keyboard

I've seen many Fox and Main Evtns DVD's and the commentators are pretty colourfoul in OZ. They tend to put credence into minor titles and scream things out like, "Great body rip mate, come on!" hald way through commentary. Was Paul Briggs involved? His scoring is always WAY off kilter with what's going on.

He made the one-sided Mundine-Hamden fight seem close.

Carbo wrote:The punch didn't look heavy at all, and the manner in which Jones reacted is incredibly concerning.

I sincerely hope Floyd Mayweather has watched Jones's career plummet and legacy slowly sinking. While it's true that Jones's fall is mostly to do with the fact he was so incredibly physically gifted he never had to learn the techniques which might have allowed him to fight into old age, where Mayweather has, I think that the more pertinent lesson is that of a fighter who might have become a legend by fighting other great fighters and taking on challenges that would stretch him to his limits. Instead, he wasted these years by fighting along the path of least resistance, and then realised when he lost that his whole career was based on (de facto, in Jones's case) unbeaten record, rather than beating great fighters in great fights. Jones realised that his legacy went from potential all time great -- and top five at 175 -- to probably not even top 20 at 175. He fought on in a desperate attempt to get that back, but it was already gone.

During his prime Jones clearly demonstrated that he was one of the greatest of all time. He simply made top-ten fighters look like they didn't know what they were doing, because he was that good.

If he wasn't tested it was because physical skills were so great that he never had to experience adversity, and that's why the steep decline on the back of his body slowing down.

I have a soft spot for the aussies. I like their passion about sport.

They can be arrogant with it, but to be fair they are usually pretty good at most sports. They take sport seriously over there and fund it well from ground level. Maybe that`s why they kick our arses in most sports.

I remember one of the rugby league commentators used to be a class act. Some guy knocked on an easy pass during a rainy match and he said "Jeez, that one skipped on like a wet dream".

During the break they had the classic Rolf Hariss advert for child safety where he said "Kids in Water? Lav it, Kids in water? They drown"

Nelson Gateau wrote:

Carbo wrote:The punch didn't look heavy at all, and the manner in which Jones reacted is incredibly concerning.

I sincerely hope Floyd Mayweather has watched Jones's career plummet and legacy slowly sinking. While it's true that Jones's fall is mostly to do with the fact he was so incredibly physically gifted he never had to learn the techniques which might have allowed him to fight into old age, where Mayweather has, I think that the more pertinent lesson is that of a fighter who might have become a legend by fighting other great fighters and taking on challenges that would stretch him to his limits. Instead, he wasted these years by fighting along the path of least resistance, and then realised when he lost that his whole career was based on (de facto, in Jones's case) unbeaten record, rather than beating great fighters in great fights. Jones realised that his legacy went from potential all time great -- and top five at 175 -- to probably not even top 20 at 175. He fought on in a desperate attempt to get that back, but it was already gone.

If he wasn't tested it was because physical skills were so great that he never had to experience adversity, and that's why the steep decline on the back of his body slowing down.

Is that not what I said?

JSA wrote:hmmm NEBF-base an opinion on a whole race on meeting a few in Thailand.Now thheres objectivity. An your comparison of Thailand to the holiday jaunts for your countrymen was wrong..basically. but your welcome to your opinion of course.

you are of course entirely correct JSA, I perhaps found them a bit in your face....walk into a quiet internet caf' then proceed to talk very loudly and trivially at length. Or on a bus ride or whatever, or any other confined environment
It's entirely wrong to label an entire nationality, ffs, if people based their opinions of us Brits on a weekend in Magaluf we'd be no better.
I'm sure it's a lovely place with good and bad like most places. No disrespect mate