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hurlock wrote:you people make it seem like racism sells???

like a few skinheads heard the remarks & thought lets go the boxing

british fans are the worlds worse for being scumbags it's embarrassing.they boo national anthems,never give a silence etc. regardless of minters comment

Well, sometimes it does, do you remember Cooney vs Holmes?

If it would have been a few skinheads, the incident would have easily been dealt with by the met who were there,
but it was a bit more than that.

As it was, it was one of the worst sporting riots in British history. It is also remembered because Marvin Hagler
became one of the greatest middleweight champions in history and people remember how he won the title. If it
would have been someone like Willie Monroe who would have beaten him and then lost the title in the first defence
- no one would care outside the UK.

And even then, it is not like British fans bring up the anniversary of the bout, its largely forgotten.

But if anyone has ever read Minter's autobiography then they can draw their own conclusions. Including a nice little quote
from his own father about racial selective breeding that produces the best fighters.

black panther wrote:How can someone use a rascist term (the "N" word) and not be rascist to some degree? And for the record theres plenty of people who have ethnic minority friends and use this in their defence when accused of rascism/prejudice. This doesn't take away from the fact that some of views are prejudice.

Yes, it's human nature to be prejudice to some extent- everyone is.

The fact thats someone might make a racist comment, or a comment about the disabled, or the mentally handicapped, or women, or dogs .... etc doesn't mean that it's a deeply held fundamental belief, that totally dominates their life.

The actor, for example, Danny John Jules made one comment recently, and suddenly its "ohh, he's a nasty racist."

People (whatever their colour) will make prejudice remarks, and hold prejudice views- it doesn't mean these views dominate their lives and their behaviour.

For sure, some people (like the Ku Klux Klan) DO let their racist prejudice dominate their lives, and are active in their racist ways.

A racist is somebody who lives off pure hate for a certain race not somebody who let's a racial slur slip off their tongue, it doesn't make it right but it doesn't make them a frothing at the mouth racist either.

bollox wrote:

Totybear wrote:

oliverfennell wrote:
Worst riot in British boxing history = not much hysterics??

My mistake thought it was racist thugs that latched onto Minters comments that started the bottle throwing. Maybe your right and it was the left wing anti racist brigade that were throwing at Minter

They must have been bad shots. A bottle hit one of Hagler's cornermen's heads I believe

One of the commentators got hit as well, on the footage you can here saying something like "these scenes are a disgrace to British bo....ah oh..and I've just been struck on the head by a bottle"

banjo wrote:A racist is somebody who lives off pure hate for a certain race not somebody who let's a racial slur slip off their tongue, it doesn't make it right but it doesn't make them a frothing at the mouth racist either.

Agreed, I suppose we can just call Minter somewhat ignorant. Well the young Minter of that time anyway.

black panther wrote:

banjo wrote:A racist is somebody who lives off pure hate for a certain race not somebody who let's a racial slur slip off their tongue, it doesn't make it right but it doesn't make them a frothing at the mouth racist either.

Agreed, I suppose we can just call Minter somewhat ignorant. Well the young Minter of that time anyway.

That's the main problem with race - ignorance, sadly though the ignorance is the first step up on the way to a full blown racist.

banjo wrote:A racist is somebody who lives off pure hate for a certain race not somebody who let's a racial slur slip off their tongue, it doesn't make it right but it doesn't make them a frothing at the mouth racist either.

Agreed. Some of the worst racists are educated middle class people who are very aware of what to say and what not to say. They sing the praises of other races then pay fortunes to make sure their own children are educated away from them. Having said that, there is no excuse for making racist comments and it's right that people are pulled into line for doing so.

HomicideHenry wrote:Minter said he wasnt going to lose his title to 'some nigger' and Hagler made him pay for it. Kinda like the 1980's version of Hopkins 'I aint losing to some white boy'.

No he didn't, it was definitely "I'm not going to lose to a black man" Or it might have been THAT black man, not that it makes any difference.
No excuses, but it was a completely different era, a lot of people spoke like that in the UK 70's, much the way it's ok for black guys to refer to "white boy" these days, and no one really cares either way, in the 60/70's it was the reverse.

King Tubby wrote: Agreed. Some of the worst racists are educated middle class people who are very aware of what to say and what not to say. They sing the praises of other races then pay fortunes to make sure their own children are educated away from them.

There are plenty of educational reasons for doing this that have absolutely nothing to do with racism.

The (revisionist?) version of this incident which Minter now regularly says is that one of his (Minter's) crew was stood behind him and whispered it in his ear and out it came.

As for him being a nice bloke, etc, I think I posted this on another thread recently - someone asked me if I'd ever felt intimidated interviewing/speaking to any boxer and the only person I could think of was 'a pissed Alan Minter'. He was just dying for a ruck with someone.

black panther wrote:How can someone use a rascist term (the "N" word) and not be rascist to some degree? And for the record theres plenty of people who have ethnic minority friends and use this in their defence when accused of rascism/prejudice. This doesn't take away from the fact that some of views are prejudice.

If its proven he used "that" word, yes he is a rascist IMO. I heard lots of different versions of what he said prior to the Hagler fight though. I'm sure I have a book which quotes him as saying "I'll never lose my title to a black fella." But replace "a" with "that" and its not nearly as bad.

ok so lots of black rappers, film stars comedians and hip hop artists are by that judgement.

or is it ok for them to use it cos they are black...never understood that one.

A word said to be so offensive is used in a matey way...strange.

ApolloCreed wrote:http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... /index.htm

Crowd violence and general yobbish behaviour is still a big problem, that is yet to be addressed properly, or controlled.

Recently, it seems to have been just single individuals, but sooner or later it will get out of hand totally, and something serious will happen.

ApolloCreed wrote:http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... /index.htm

Fantastic article.....intersting how Hagler said he wouldn't touch 'white flesh'

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:The (revisionist?) version of this incident which Minter now regularly says is that one of his (Minter's) crew was stood behind him and whispered it in his ear and out it came.

As for him being a nice bloke, etc, I think I posted this on another thread recently - someone asked me if I'd ever felt intimidated interviewing/speaking to any boxer and the only person I could think of was 'a pissed Alan Minter'. He was just dying for a ruck with someone.

Yeah I can imagine that Ian, Minter could be pretty scary at the best of times, someone once said he had the eyes of a killer, pale blue and looking right through you.
Mo Hope, who used to spar Minter, once said he thought Minter was racist, but could be they just didn't get on, as they could have been rivals down the road.

thepocketrocket wrote:

ApolloCreed wrote:http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... /index.htm

Fantastic article.....intersting how Hagler said he wouldn't touch 'white flesh'

According to Kevin Finnegan - it is not on record.

His management team was white as is his present wife. Halger a racist? I don't think so.

thepocketrocket wrote:

ApolloCreed wrote:http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... /index.htm

Fantastic article.....intersting how Hagler said he wouldn't touch 'white flesh'

I think that's pretty unbelievable, considering Hagler's corner and management. Hagler's statement of not shaking hands with potential opponents seems to fit his personality of the time a lot more

I never said it was true, I said it was an intersting quote!!! Saying that, what reason would Finnegan have to lie?? Maybe it was a line to irritate his white opponent....

Just playing devils advocate

oh, i should have said 'apparently' ! Apologies, I have just woken up!

A lot of people say things in the heat of the moment without thinking. You have to remember that Minter was fighting in a different era when "Love thy Neighbour" was considered light family entertainment.

What Hopkins said pre Calzaghe was more controversial when the era is taken into context.

It`s all bollocks anyway, we have got to the point now where you cannot open your mouth without offending somebody. Take the whole "Seasons`s Greetings" debacle. Pathetic.

I used to know a scottish guy who was very outspoken about how much he hated the English. Used to do my head in with his contant crap and he even stooped so low as to wear an Argentinian top to the England v Argentina game in the 2002 World cup. He also claimed he was an "Orangeman" and hated catholics with a passion (I am Catholic) and he bored people with his pointless banter.

Anyway, when his wife moved over here to join him, it turned out she was an English catholic from Liverpool. So much for his show of bravado. I guess some people don`t really believe in what they say.

forcefraser wrote:I used to know a scottish guy who was very outspoken about how much he hated the English. Used to do my head in with his contant crap and he even stooped so low as to wear an Argentinian top to the England v Argentina game in the 2002 World cup. He also claimed he was an "Orangeman" and hated catholics with a passion (I am Catholic) and he bored people with his pointless banter.

Anyway, when his wife moved over here to join him, it turned out she was an English catholic from Liverpool. So much for his show of bravado. I guess some people don`t really believe in what they say.

Great story! Probably the only bird who'd shag him.

On the same theme, one of the many reasons I hate Manchester United was when I agreed to get my brother in law a ticket for their end and kept him company when they came to play Sheffield United.

I had to put up with the w*nkers singing 'We hate England', 'Argentina! Argentina!' etc.

banjo wrote:Nah not a racist, just another fornicator who opens his mouth without consulting his brain, same goes for Hopkins.

I'd say it was more of saying what you 'think' so that is racist

Anyone using the N word is a fool. I do not care if you are black or white, if you use that you are a fool.

DG. wrote:Anyone using the N word is a fool. I do not care if you are black or white, if you use that you are a fool.

quiet down cracker D

Adamj1987 wrote:

DG. wrote:Anyone using the N word is a fool. I do not care if you are black or white, if you use that you are a fool.

quiet down cracker D

Cracker? I ain't no god dam Cracker!

I met Minter at an Am show I was at he seemed a nice guy, I dont think he's racist