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the only issue I have is that it has some of the ingredients to make it an ugly fight.

its GREEN not GREENE!!!!!!!!

toppity wrote:the only issue I have is that it has some of the ingredients to make it an ugly fight.

How so?

keyboard warrior wrote:

toppity wrote:the only issue I have is that it has some of the ingredients to make it an ugly fight.

How so?

Hopkins can often be a spoiler. Holding and clinching while picking off his opponents. He isn't a stick and move exponent so much these days (perhaps never has), he often does what it takes to get the job done. Danny is a brawler, not really known for his boxing. Especially in the later rounds, when they are both tired, I can imagine a lot of hitting and holding, clinching and grabbing. Just an opinion though.

amwsnw wrote:

Roars Like Me wrote:Earn the money Green but you will be given a serious lesson by Hopkins - it will be of Pavlik proportions...

Mate just curious (honestly, I am not taking the piss) but did you pick Green or RJJ ??
This is a good fight for Danny. Win, lose or draw I don't think he gets schooled !!

I wasn't sure, I thought Green had a good chance but thought RJJ would have just nicked it.
It is a good fight for Green and he deserves a good payday as he's at least asked for some names to fight (unlike Mundine).
As you mentioned it, why do you think he wouldn't get schooled?

Mate I just think Greenies power is underestimated. Maybe not by us in Oz but elsewhere. When danny hit RJJ with a jab to the body, he got a reaction from RJJ. I cant remember seeing that from RJJ before. Bhop wont want to go toe to toe with Greenie. He could make it a very ugly fight which alot of the time can be a very close fight.

amwsnw wrote:Mate I just think Greenies power is underestimated. Maybe not by us in Oz but elsewhere. When danny hit RJJ with a jab to the body, he got a reaction from RJJ. I cant remember seeing that from RJJ before. Bhop wont want to go toe to toe with Greenie. He could make it a very ugly fight which alot of the time can be a very close fight.

Of course, he doesn't go toe to toe as a rule - if you remember BHOP's first venture to LH against Tarver, he didn't stand in front of him, he just boxed him beautifully and made him look amateurish. Bare in mind Tarver also knocked out Jones for the 1st time not long before and also in a much more devastating way.
Green will fare better as he seems to have a better engine than Tarver but his skills are not as good. One way or another Hopkins wins overall and well in my humble opinion.
Fair play to Greene though, he's a tough one alright.

toppity wrote:

keyboard warrior wrote:

toppity wrote:the only issue I have is that it has some of the ingredients to make it an ugly fight.

How so?

Hopkins can often be a spoiler. Holding and clinching while picking off his opponents. He isn't a stick and move exponent so much these days (perhaps never has), he often does what it takes to get the job done. Danny is a brawler, not really known for his boxing. Especially in the later rounds, when they are both tired, I can imagine a lot of hitting and holding, clinching and grabbing. Just an opinion though.

Green was too big, too young, too strong and too well prepared for Jones. Hopkins will underestimate him at his peril.

amwsnw wrote:be interesting to see what response this would get on "Current Scene"

As of now, they are saying Hopkins will school Green and that he remains one of the best in the business.

But you just KNOW, if Green beat him, he will suddenly be proclaimed "shot" and "undersized" (even though some are saying he'd be a valid opponent for Haye...)

keyboard warrior wrote:

toppity wrote:the only issue I have is that it has some of the ingredients to make it an ugly fight.

How so?

Because it involves Bernard Hopkins.

oliverfennell wrote:

amwsnw wrote:be interesting to see what response this would get on "Current Scene"

As of now, they are saying Hopkins will school Green and that he remains one of the best in the business.

But you just KNOW, if Green beat him, he will suddenly be proclaimed "shot" and "undersized" (even though some are saying he'd be a valid opponent for Haye...)

He's not shot although he's undeniably past his best

A viable opponent for Haye?

bollox wrote:

oliverfennell wrote:

amwsnw wrote:be interesting to see what response this would get on "Current Scene"

As of now, they are saying Hopkins will school Green and that he remains one of the best in the business.

But you just KNOW, if Green beat him, he will suddenly be proclaimed "shot" and "undersized" (even though some are saying he'd be a valid opponent for Haye...)

He's not shot although he's undeniably past his best

A viable opponent for Haye?

"He's not shot but undeniably past his best" is fair comment and also how you could accurately describe Jones. Not even the Aussie fans claim Jones was at his best, but the US fans are conveniently forgetting he was still top 10 ranked and coming off a very, very sharp performance.

Hopkins for sure is past his best, but he has adapted his style for ultimate longevity and as a result, while he's no longer a formidable attacking force, he remains one of the most difficult boxers in the world to beat.

Re Hopkins-Haye, I kid you not - and more than a few are saying he'd beat Haye, too.

"He's not shot but undeniably past his best" is fair comment and also how you could accurately describe Jones. Not even the Aussie fans claim Jones was at his best, but the US fans are conveniently forgetting he was still top 10 ranked and coming off a very, very sharp performance.

Hopkins for sure is past his best, but he has adapted his style for ultimate longevity and as a result, while he's no longer a formidable attacking force, he remains one of the most difficult boxers in the world to beat.

Re Hopkins-Haye, I kid you not - and more than a few are saying he'd beat Haye, too.

Since Jones beat Ruiz the floodgates have started to open a bit more re 160 / 175 pounders challenging HW's, and similar weight disparities amongst the lower weights (Pacman V Mundine anyone?). Ruiz was made for Jones (as was the then version of Holmes against Spinks)

Hopkins would be annihilated against Haye. And whilst he's in hospital possibly fighting for his life some around here will be posting about how much money the fight made and how it was good for boxing

Hopkins obviously believes RJJ got 3 million (was 4 at one stage), which is as believable as bunnies shitting lil' chocolate eggs at Easter.

i thought it was common knowledge that it was a guaranteed min' 3 mill.....do you know different Anton?

bollox wrote:

"He's not shot but undeniably past his best" is fair comment and also how you could accurately describe Jones. Not even the Aussie fans claim Jones was at his best, but the US fans are conveniently forgetting he was still top 10 ranked and coming off a very, very sharp performance.

Hopkins for sure is past his best, but he has adapted his style for ultimate longevity and as a result, while he's no longer a formidable attacking force, he remains one of the most difficult boxers in the world to beat.

Re Hopkins-Haye, I kid you not - and more than a few are saying he'd beat Haye, too.

Since Jones beat Ruiz the floodgates have started to open a bit more re 160 / 175 pounders challenging HW's, and similar weight disparities amongst the lower weights (Pacman V Mundine anyone?). Ruiz was made for Jones (as was the then version of Holmes against Spinks)

Hopkins would be annihilated against Haye. And whilst he's in hospital possibly fighting for his life some around here will be posting about how much money the fight made and how it was good for boxing

We will never see it so it's a matter of opinion. But although I'd have my money on Haye, I doubt it would be an anililation. Hopkins has mentioned moving to HV, and Haye is a CW gone up. I don't see it as a massive mis-match. Hopkins' defence is still working, the attack is gone to some degree, but I don't see anything in Haye's previous fights against those he has fought, that screams utter mismatch. Haye is not that good.

perhaps I should say that he is yet to prove that he is that good.

Hopkins spent the vast majority of his career at 160 pounds. I can't see him lasting 6 rounds against a top HW. Haye doesn't have to be that good, he just has to land cleanly and it's all over

toppity wrote:i thought it was common knowledge that it was a guaranteed min' 3 mill.....do you know different Anton?

Tickets range was 55 to 1,000 bucks. The joint was half full...so where did all the millions fall from??
Certainly not form OZ Main Event & US Versus
RJJ was co-promoter, so any reported Guarantee is absolute bullshit

In case you didn't realize, the fight was scripted along the line of recent Fenech/Nelson shindig, but Greeny, to make himself ultimate OZ hero, ditched the script so he could claim he stopped 'Legendary' RJJ

Why does Hopkins was Green?

Is it a case of what Roy Jones can't do, I can do better?

It seems as if he's still in Jones' shadow after 16 years.

IMO, RJJ & Hopkins should retire & invent cookware that does stick

AntonS wrote:

toppity wrote:i thought it was common knowledge that it was a guaranteed min' 3 mill.....do you know different Anton?

Tickets range was 55 to 1,000 bucks. The joint was half full...so where did all the millions fall from??
Certainly not form OZ Main Event & US Versus
RJJ was co-promoter, so any reported Guarantee is absolute bullshit

In case you didn't realize, the fight was scripted along the line of recent Fenech/Nelson shindig, but Greeny, to make himself ultimate OZ hero, ditched the script so he could claim he stopped 'Legendary' RJJ

I read somewhere that Fenech's family asked Azumah not to hurt Fenech. It seemed a bit absurd at the time but ????

I would never put money on Haye, not even against Gary Gurr...

AntonS wrote:

toppity wrote:i thought it was common knowledge that it was a guaranteed min' 3 mill.....do you know different Anton?

Tickets range was 55 to 1,000 bucks. The joint was half full...so where did all the millions fall from??
Certainly not form OZ Main Event & US Versus
RJJ was co-promoter, so any reported Guarantee is absolute bullshit

In case you didn't realize, the fight was scripted along the line of recent Fenech/Nelson shindig, but Greeny, to make himself ultimate OZ hero, ditched the script so he could claim he stopped 'Legendary' RJJ

it was more than 1/2 full and I think PPV numbers and rights to the USA would have been decent. I also thought the State Government put up some cash.

AntonS wrote:IMO, RJJ & Hopkins should retire & invent cookware that does stick

Why does that sound familiar