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You might have to check my memory on this, and I know early on he was a welter, but I think he truly turned in over 75% of his carrer over the welter limit. He was quite a force of nature even above middle scoring a KD of Archie Moore though once again if my memory serves that was early career for Archie.

ACCOMPLISHMENT

1. Robinson
2. Armstrong
3. Leonard
4. Napoles
5. Gavilan

HEAD TO HEAD

1. Robinson
2. Leonard
3.Armstrong
4. Hearns
5. Whitaker

I've only recently discovered Napoles & only seen a few fights but I really like him!

Robinson
Leonard
Napoles
Hearns
Griffith

No particular order:

Ray Robinson
Joe Wallcott
Napoles
Armstrong
Barney Ross .


So many great fighters to choose from Jack dempsey havent been mentioned. Burley.. just so many

The welterweights are one of the toughest to rate IMO.

OK, number one is pretty much written in stone; we all know that it's Donald Curry................................JOKE!

It's Sugar Ray Robinson folks!!

After that, it can become difficult & I find myself changing my mind almost daily.

Ordinarily, I wouldn't normally rank little welterweights who've come up from lower weights, as I've always had it in my mind that a big welterweight, like Tommy Hearns (who I don't rate in the top 5 amazingly) would decapitate most of them, but on the flipside of that, I have Henry Armstrong in my top 5.

Today, as of this minute, my top 5 welterweights are:-

1) Sugar Ray Robinson
2) Sugar Ray Leonard
3) Jose Napoles
4) Henry Armstrong
5) Barney Ross

Tommy Hearns would demolish Mantequilla yet I rate Jose higher in my all time list.

When ive seen these type of posts before i usually think most are pretty accurate, but i gotta say im stunned at the amount of people that dont have Hearns in their top 5. An absolute shoe in, in my opinion..

Tommy has a solid resume at 47, but not to the degree of others. Talent alone isn't quite enough for the top 5 imo. Cuevas, Weston, Gray, Shields, Espada and a great fight with leonard really isn't top 5 material.

1. Walcott
2. Robinson
3. Leonard
4. Dixie Kid
5. Pernell

dom74 wrote:When ive seen these type of posts before i usually think most are pretty accurate, but i gotta say im stunned at the amount of people that dont have Hearns in their top 5. An absolute shoe in, in my opinion..

It's, "shoo-in" ;)

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

dom74 wrote:When ive seen these type of posts before i usually think most are pretty accurate, but i gotta say im stunned at the amount of people that dont have Hearns in their top 5. An absolute shoe in, in my opinion..

It's, "shoo-in" ;)

Not in England it isnt

Robinson
Ray Leonard
Napoles
Armstrong
Ross

Joe Walcott
Walker Smith jr.
Henry Armstrong
Jose Napoles
Barney Ross

dom74 wrote:When ive seen these type of posts before i usually think most are pretty accurate, but i gotta say im stunned at the amount of people that dont have Hearns in their top 5. An absolute shoe in, in my opinion..

I think it's the Leonard factor that precludes many from putting Hearns in their top 5s.

His fight with Leonard was a battle between 2 ATGs in their virtual primes (OK, Hearns may have been just shy of his) & we all know what happened.

If Leonard could tough it out & come back, why not the likes of Robinson etc?

Hearns on his best day was maybe the most dangerous welterweight of all-time, but he did have weaknesses & the very greatest 147lbers would most likely have exploited them, like SRL did.

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dom74 wrote:When ive seen these type of posts before i usually think most are pretty accurate, but i gotta say im stunned at the amount of people that dont have Hearns in their top 5. An absolute shoe in, in my opinion..

I think it's the Leonard factor that precludes many from putting Hearns in their top 5s.

His fight with Leonard was a battle between 2 ATGs in their virtual primes (OK, Hearns may have been just shy of his) & we all know what happened.

If Leonard could tough it out & come back, why not the likes of Robinson etc?

Hearns on his best day was maybe the most dangerous welterweight of all-time, but he did have weaknesses & the very greatest 147lbers would most likely have exploited them, like SRL did.

A fair point, his low left hand and weak chin might have been his undoing, but i still give him a spot in the 5..

My top 5 welterweights all time:

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Kid Gavilan
4. Emile Griffith/Sugar Ray Leonard
5. Sugar Ray Leonard/Emile Griffith

Between Griffith and Leonard, I called it a toss up.

1)mayweather
2)pacquiao
3)oscar de la hoya
4)gatti
5)ward

The End wrote:Joe Walcott
Walker Smith jr.
Henry Armstrong
Jose Napoles
Barney Ross

are you 100 years old?

....do you have an issue with earned wisdom?

BoxBuzz wrote:....do you have an issue with earned wisdom?

certainly not. its just the people with "earned widsom" tend to be waaayy more biased. its clear that a lot of old greats lack in the skills department but more than make up for it with heart and determination.

big train express wrote:

The End wrote:Joe Walcott
Walker Smith jr.
Henry Armstrong
Jose Napoles
Barney Ross

are you 100 years old?

how about you, are you 10 years old?
Either you are trolling or you seriously need a history lesson.