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lol, and WHY was bowe never stopped in his career JSC? i feel we're going round in circles here.

and knockoutartist you disappoint me, no valid counter arguments?

your just stubborn and dislike lewis, which is clouding your judgement.

Neil (The Bounty) Hunter wrote:
oh and using oliver mccalls 'ex-tyson sparring partner' is lame beyond belief. are sparring partners not entitled to have sucess? is it not a credit to mccall that he was consistently used to prepare the man who was then the best heavyweight in the world?.

This is the sparring partner who was outboxed by frank bruno, and the man who only only outpointed a 500 year old larry Holmes.

Then again Frank was teaching Lewis a boxing lession in that fight, perhaps you have him in your top 5 of all time

um, no i dont actually.

tony tubbs gave riddick bowe a boxing lesson, only he didnt rally like lewis did and stop tubbs, he lost. do you have tubbs in your top 5 of all time?

as a matter of fact do you have any valid and intelligent arguments, or just sarcastic replies and rolling eyes emoticons?

i didnt think so.

Neil (The Bounty) Hunter wrote:um, no i dont actually.

tony tubbs gave riddick bowe a boxing lesson, only he didnt rally like lewis did and stop tubbs, he lost. do you have tubbs in your top 5 of all time?

as a matter of fact do you have any valid and intelligent arguments, or just sarcastic replies and rolling eyes emoticons?

i didnt think so.

Many Valid and intelligent arguements have been provided to show why bowe would beat lennox, your response was just to ignore the fact that Bowe beat Holyfield.

The question is, could you ever see bowe getting ko'ed in 2 rounds by oliver mccall? No.

Could you see Bowe almost getting Ko'ed by Shannon Briggs? No.

Could you ever seen Bowe getting humilated by Hasim Rahman No.

Could you see Bowe getting inside and hitting Lewis hard and then see his usual Capitulation when hit hard on the chin. Yes.

i have countered every point.

in your reply you have not even tried respond to my points, could you tell me which one is not valid?

i have not ignored the fact bowe beat holyfield. why dont you read over my previous reply where i detailled bowe and lewis's fights with holyfield?

as for those list of points you just made, lets just assess them:

"The question is, could you ever see bowe getting ko'ed in 2 rounds by oliver mccall?"

YES. why not? he was rocked by holyfield several times in their rematch and nearly KOd in their 3rd fight. he was abdly shaken by tyrell biggs. mccall is a helluva heavy puncher. bowe would always come forward with no regards for defence, favouring a brawl. meaning he could find himself in the exact same position as lennox, walking head on into a shot.

"Could you see Bowe almost getting Ko'ed by Shannon Briggs?"

at what point was lennox lewis on the point of being stopped by shannon briggs? and again, if bowe can be in such deep trouble against a guy with holyfield or biggs lack of big power, then shannon briggs could do exactly the same with his punch.

"Could you ever seen Bowe getting humilated by Hasim Rahman?"

here we go again. i dont think its any disgrace a 35 year old fighter getting clipped by a big puncher, but lets just assess how many punchers lewis fought: weaver, ruddock, bruno, jackson, mccall twice, butler, morrison, briggs, grant, tua, rahman twice, tyson. now lets compare that to bowe list of punchers: cooper. thats it. believe me, if bowe could nearly get wiped out by a hepititis-ridden holyfield and staggered badly by tyrell biggs, then any puncher has a legit shot of laying him out, why cant you comprehend that?

and since your just using an argument as lame as nit picking over lewis's career, again the exact same can be done for bowe, and leads to nothing:

can you ever see lewis losing to holyfield, or getting nearly knocked out by holyfield? NO.

can you ever see lewis getting soundly outboxed by an ageing ex drug addict like tubbs, who was having his 3rd fight in 2 years? NO.

could you see lewis getting wiped out by andrew golota? NO.

could you see bowe coming forward chin up as usual with no regards to defence, and getting clocked by that lewis right hand? YES.

would bowes none existant defence, questionable chin and brawling style see him past tyson, tua, bruno or ruddock? hell no.

we are going round in circles...i guess we will have to agree to disagree


The truth is we will never know for sure.

What we do know is that Lennox Lewis has a very suspect chin. Possibly one of the worst chins in the history of HW champions.

Bowe would catch Lewis with counterpunches, Lewis could not take Bowe's punches.

Bowe KO4 Lewis.

Bowe already proved that he coudn't take Lewis'punches

As amateurs

Lewis defeated Bowe.

Biggs defeated Tyson

Tillman defeated Tyson.

and although they di not fight as pros, Jim Watt KO'd John Stracey in the first round, as an amateur.

Lewis' win over Bowe proves nothing.

knockout artist wrote:As amateurs

Lewis defeated Bowe.

Biggs defeated Tyson

Tillman defeated Tyson.

and although they di not fight as pros, Jim Watt KO'd John Stracey in the first round, as an amateur.

Lewis' win over Bowe proves nothing.

biggs NEVER fought tyson as an amateur, genius.

biggs was super heavy, tyson was a heavy.

tillman showing up to fight tyson terrorfied in 1990 doesnt relate to lennox lewis whatsoever.

bowe folded versus a man his own size who could hit back. as a pro, in 1996 bowe proved ineffective v a man his own size who could hit back.

lewis has proven himself time and again.

Hey Overhand Right....





And end the topic right here.

[quote="Neil (The Bounty) Hunter"]lol, and WHY was bowe never stopped in his career JSC? i feel we're going round in circles here.[quote]
I know what you're going to say...because he didn't fight too many people who could do it.

He fought a prime Holyfield twice and never went down, then fought him a third time, probably got brain-damaged in the process and not only didn't get stopped, he won. Then, looking shot, he went 16 rounds with Golota and still didn't get stopped.

When he fought Jorge Luis Gonzalez, Gonzalez had won every one of his 23 fights by knockout. He didn't touch Bowe.

Bowe had a very good chin, I won't say great because that was never proven, but I wouldn't predict a KO of a prime Bowe against any of his contemporaries.

can you ever see lewis losing to holyfield, or getting nearly knocked out by holyfield? NO.
Yes, I can. Put Lennox Lewis in with a prime Holyfield and I think Evander wins 65 percent of the time. Hell, Holyfield nearly beat him in the rematch at the age of 37.

In the second fight Lewis looked terrible against Holyfield.

In fact, I had the 37 yo Holyfield winning the fight.

Thinking about it a case could be made for Ray Mercer beating Lewis.

I think Lewis is good, but vastly over-rated.

knockout artist wrote:As amateurs

Lewis defeated Bowe.

Biggs defeated Tyson

Tillman defeated Tyson.

and although they di not fight as pros, Jim Watt KO'd John Stracey in the first round, as an amateur.

Lewis' win over Bowe proves nothing.

When you get outpointed over 3 rounds, as happened to Tyson against Tillman, it doesn't have to mean a whole lot. Bowe failed to last two whole rounds with Lewis however.

i feel a big powerful and TOUGH man like ruddock, with a hell of a punch would overwhelm a bully like bowe.

bowe was really good at beating up smaller guys but like i say, he doesnt have the cautious style that kept lewis out of the way v ruddock. he had no defence and a so so chin.

ruddock by KO.

Wow! I didn't expect so many responses when starting this topic! ;)

Leaving Ruddock to the side for the moment (which he probably wouldn't want), have to go with Lewis over Bowe. Lennox just seemed to have the mental advantage over Riddick, especially after the Olympic fight. Of course they never fought as pros but maybe that's why, Bowe was avoiding Lewis at all costs for that (psyched out) reason. But it's hard to know for certain the outcome of such a fight, Bowe would always have a "puncher's chance."

Anthony

when bowe got in lewis's face after he beat holyfield told a lot about the two.

for bowe to lose his composure like that showed the actions of a scared man, much like tysons shenanigans. all bowes screaming and insults were trying to mask his fear.

lewis meanwhile just stood there calm and cool as always, looking into bowes eyes with a calm, knowing smile.

i could see it transalating into their fight. bowe in terror, trying to bum rush lewis. lewis calm and waiting for his moment, just like ruddock.

i still say lewis KO2 bowe.

riddick bowe ran from razor ruddock 2 times ... the 1st time to fight elijah tillery on usa network)on sept 27 1991 murad muhamad and rock newman were supposed to get both fighters to sighn to fight each other ..ruddock sighnd and riddick bowe did not) and he ducked ruddock and the 2nd time riddick bowe went the wba route and fought pierre coetzer??? why would that be??? perhaps cause of the beatings bowe got in 89 being donovan razor ruddocks sparring partner when ruddock fought bonecrusher perhaps...ruddock knocks him out...bowe got hit way to much against peirre coetzer and if he got hit by ruddock enough ruddock kos him between 4 to 7 rds

on sept 27 1991 rock newman would not let his man fight donovan razor ruddock...i wish i knew how to post the interview wit rock newman