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Brutu wrote:Earlous Tripp/KO.
That was for the 1976 New York Golden Gloves Heavyweight Open Championship at Madison Square Garden.

The bout with Larry Derrick was also a New York Golden Gloves championship bout,in which on March.16.1973
Gerry Cooney won the
160 lb sub-novice title(RSC-3).
(the same day his brother Tom reached the Heavyweight novice finals but lost decision to Eric George)


Gerry Cooney's over-all amateur record was 55-3.

When Gerry Cooney made a guest appearence on FRIDAY NIGHT FIGHTS talking to Brian Kinney a few years ago.
He was asked to give a Top 5 list of what he considered his best fights.
One of the top 5 Cooney listed was his grueling 8 round decision win against,
Eddie(the Anima) Lopez.
January.13.1979 at the Convention Center in Miami Beach Florida.
It had been a preliminary fight on the Knoetze-Bill Sharkey fight.
It was the one top 5 fight that they didnt show a tape of because he said they had no film of it.
Anyone know of any video tape or film of the Cooney-Lopez fight?

In the absense of that fight,here is a link to the 1977 fight between Big John Tate and Eddie(the Animal)Lopez.
I wish all the fights from 1977 on youtube were this clear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNzRiW_jNyg

granberry wrote:I know of two fights Cooney had ( "won") that were fakes set up before they took place.

You don't even know what Georges Carpentier looks like

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I have no resentment towards Gerry. He is a genuine nice guy and very proactive in looking after other fighters and trying to implement new measures to help all fighters.

He just wasn't very good and while they may have rushed him, he may very well have lost before he got the huge fight if they didn't.

Tommy Morrison > Gerry Cooney, I think that says it all.

Edit: Not sure what happened there, I responded to a post from Brutu.

I thought Cooney had a lot of potential. If he had promoters who put him in tough learning fights, like with Quick Tillis or Renaldo Snipes, he may well have had a few losses, but he would have come out of it a tougher and more complete fighter.
Having Victor Valle as a trainer limited him also. Valle only taught him how to get tourqe on his left. He never taught Gerry to use his right, good footwork or defense.

Eddie Futch and Gil Clancy went on record saying that if they had Cooney, they would have turned him into a world champion.

Gil Clancy trained George Foreman to lose to Jimmy Young.

Foreman said ruefully after the fight, "I NEVER should have boxed him," referring to clueless Clancy's fight plan.

Eddie Futch, who 'trained' Michael Spinks to last 91 seconds against Tyson (that includes the ten count)

and who trained Duane Bobick to last 58 seconds against Ken Norton (that includes the ten count)

is known as the ultimate salesman of himself.

Clancy is a close second.

ebeneezer wrote:

granberry wrote:I know of two fights Cooney had ( "won") that were fakes set up before they took place.

You don't even know what Georges Carpentier looks like

On the Tommy Ryan-Hugo Kelly thread I wrote:

"Kelly had an odd stance, leaning away in a manner similar to the stance Georges Carpentier used against Frank Klaus in a fight early in Carpentier's career."

It turned out it was the film of Carpentier fighting Klaus, in a very fuzzy state.

Thanks for calling attention to my expertise in boxing stances, the absolute fundamental of the subject.

granberry wrote:Gil Clancy trained George Foreman to lose to Jimmy Young.

Foreman said ruefully after the fight, "I NEVER should have boxed him," referring to clueless Clancy's fight plan.

Eddie Futch, who 'trained' Michael Spinks to last 91 seconds against Tyson (that includes the ten count)

and who trained Duane Bobick to last 58 seconds against Ken Norton (that includes the ten count)

is known as the ultimate salesman of himself.

Clancy is a close second.

What does this have to do with Cooney being a good prospect? And when are you going to explain how Cooney vs Young was a fix?

Futch and Clancy trained numerous champions. You were a groupie who handed orange juice to fighters after sparring sessions.

granberry wrote:

ebeneezer wrote:

granberry wrote:I know of two fights Cooney had ( "won") that were fakes set up before they took place.

You don't even know what Georges Carpentier looks like

On the Tommy Ryan-Hugo Kelly thread I wrote:

"Kelly had an odd stance, leaning away in a manner similar to the stance Georges Carpentier used against Frank Klaus in a fight early in Carpentier's career."

It turned out it was the film of Carpentier fighting Klaus, in a very fuzzy state.

Thanks for calling attention to my expertise in boxing stances, the absolute fundamental of the subject.

Nope.

You wrote

Can't believe I saw that.

Never thought I'd see Tommy Ryan, even at this very old stage, long after he had really stopped fighting seriously

Kelly, the taller, is obviously very intimidated by fighting Ryan even though Ryan lost his middleweight title in 1896 to Kid McCoy, eleven years earlier, then claimed the title again but certainly hadn't been considered a really active fighter for years.

You didn't know it was Capentier until it was pointed out to you

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... hugo+kelly

collins clone ebeneezer is lying

and has to resort to his own url of his falsified version of the thread.

As can be seen on the thread,

GreatA posted that it was the Klaus-Carpentier fight three posts after I wrote:

Kelly had an odd stance, leaning away in a manner similar to the stance Georges Carpentier used against Frank Klaus in a fight early in Carpentier's career.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 4#p2328034


Check with your master (collins) and find out what falsehoods to post next, ebeneezer.

gran, you seem to recognize correctly that Collin's behavior was not acceptable within this forum, and now you seem to be up to the same sort of provocative shenanigans. Would you like to join him in hiatus? Anton has warned you, and now you've heard it from me. Cut the personal insults or you will be shown the door.

Ebeneezer knows little more about Collins than the fact that you two could not get along.. Just make your point and stop the attacks.

BoxBuzz wrote:gran, you seem to recognize correctly that Collin's behavior was not acceptable within this forum, and now you seem to be up to the same sort of provocative shenanigans. Would you like to join him in hiatus? Anton has warned you, and now you've heard it from me. Cut the personal insults or you will be shown the door.

Ebeneezer knows little more about Collins than the fact that you two could not get along.. Just make your point and stop the attacks.

ebeneezer is following me around boxrec posting his falsehood about Carpentier which matches word for word with what collins has posted.

And you buz, as a 'moderator' pretend to be unable to see ebeneezer's word for word matching of collins' baiting

and ebeneezer's posting the same lie on each thread I post on?

You can do better than that, buz.

If you feel eb has attacked you I'll keep an eye open for such things. Hadn't noticed it because I don't read every word of every thread. Don't take it upon yourself to attack him. Let me know when you feel it happens again. Let's relegate bygones to the past and adopt a civil approach at this juncture.

buz,

ARE YOU TELLING ME

that when ebeneezer (or any other collins clone)

posts falsehoods about me and what I posted

and falsifies a thread and then posts his own url for his falsified version of a thread

that I should put up with that?

No thank you.

granberry wrote:buz,

ARE YOU TELLING ME

that when ebeneezer (or any other collins clone)

posts falsehoods about me and what I posted

and falsifies a thread and then posts his own url for his falsified version of a thread

that I should put up with that?

No thank you.

If they break a rule there is a consequence.
If you break a rule there is a consequence.
Let me know when a rule is broken...and I will attempt to address it....saving you the consequence.

Capisce?

granberry wrote:buz,

ARE YOU TELLING ME

that when ebeneezer (or any other collins clone)

posts falsehoods about me and what I posted

and falsifies a thread and then posts his own url for his falsified version of a thread

that I should put up with that?

No thank you.

Enjoy your holiday. During 4-week Pacific cruise, I suggest you review your attitude.

granberry wrote:Cooney only fought "dead bodies."

He lost to anyone who hit him back.

Even to pathetic Michael Spinks.

1. Spinks wernt pathetic. He just had 1 bad night against Tyson.

2. Cooney went down hill after the Holmes fight, but b4 that he was really good. U gotta remember that Cooney is Irish and was doing alot of drinking etc.

Brutu wrote:Some sellers have these early fights on vhs.but I wonder if they were locally televised or taped from audience.

1978- Cooney vrs S.T Gordon/Las Vegas/wdq4/(11th professional fight)
1978- Cooney vrs Grady Daniels/NYC/WRSD4/(15th pro fight)


1979-Cooney vrs Charlie Johnson/NYC/KO1/(17th pro fight)
Cooney vrs Tom Prater/NYC/KO2/(18th pro fight)
Cooney vrs John Dino Denis/NYC/KO3/(21st pro fight)
Cooney vrs LeRoy Boone/Atlantic City/TKO6/(22nd pro fight)

I just recently saw an old advertisment in a December 1979 newspaper TV section for a HBO live boxing featuring
" Young American Heavyweights".
Greg Page vrs Ira Martin
Gerry Cooney vrs LeRoy Boone
Tex Cobb vrs Sam McGill(which apparently was canceled as I did not see it on Cobb's boxrec listing.

Anyway according to the newspaper accounts, In the sixth round,Cooney hit Boone in a lower rib with a vicious left hook and Boone doubled over and turned his back on Cooney and the ref stopped the fight.

Brutu wrote:When Gerry Cooney made a guest appearence on FRIDAY NIGHT FIGHTS talking to Brian Kinney a few years ago.
He was asked to give a Top 5 list of what he considered his best fights.
One of the top 5 Cooney listed was his grueling 8 round decision win against,
Eddie(the Anima) Lopez.
January.13.1979 at the Convention Center in Miami Beach Florida.
It had been a preliminary fight on the Knoetze-Bill Sharkey fight.
It was the one top 5 fight that they didnt show a tape of because he said they had no film of it.
Anyone know of any video tape or film of the Cooney-Lopez fight?

It would appear that Cooney vrs Lopez was scheduled to be televised along with Knoetze vrs Sharkey.
according to the Los Angeles Times sports section dated January 7th and 14th 1979 editions.
I do remember watching the Knoetze-Sharkey fight on CBS.
also before the fight on same sports show a lot of coverage of Jesse Jackson and PUSH demonstrating outside the Miami Beach Convention center protesting Knoetze's presense.
Perhaps they chose to cover that story more in-depth rather then show the Cooney-Lopez fight?
or maybe they did show it?

Brutu wrote:

Brutu wrote:Some sellers have these early fights on vhs.but I wonder if they were locally televised or taped from audience.

1978- Cooney vrs S.T Gordon/Las Vegas/wdq4/(11th professional fight)
1978- Cooney vrs Grady Daniels/NYC/WRSD4/(15th pro fight)


1979-Cooney vrs Charlie Johnson/NYC/KO1/(17th pro fight)
Cooney vrs Tom Prater/NYC/KO2/(18th pro fight)
Cooney vrs John Dino Denis/NYC/KO3/(21st pro fight)
Cooney vrs LeRoy Boone/Atlantic City/TKO6/(22nd pro fight)

I just recently saw an old advertisment in a December 1979 newspaper TV section for a HBO live boxing featuring
" Young American Heavyweights".
Greg Page vrs Ira Martin
Gerry Cooney vrs LeRoy Boone
Tex Cobb vrs Sam McGill(which apparently was canceled as I did not see it on Cobb's boxrec listing.

Anyway according to the newspaper accounts, In the sixth round,Cooney hit Boone in a lower rib with a vicious left hook and Boone doubled over and turned his back on Cooney and the ref stopped the fight.

You can see the finish to the Boone fight here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxgRmNX5 ... re=related

Say what you will about him, but the pre-Holmes Cooney's left to the body was pretty devastating.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I have no resentment towards Gerry. He is a genuine nice guy and very proactive in looking after other fighters and trying to implement new measures to help all fighters.

He just wasn't very good and while they may have rushed him, he may very well have lost before he got the huge fight if they didn't.

Tommy Morrison > Gerry Cooney, I think that says it all.

Edit: Not sure what happened there, I responded to a post from Brutu.

I would strong disagree Morrison was better than Cooney. Cooney was bigger, just as fast or faster, better schooled, and didn't gas out after 4 rounds vs journeyman like Tommy did.


Would Tommy the Duke last 13 rounds vs a 1982 Holmes? No way in hell . . . Morrison was a guy who through smart promotion and a crowd-pleasing style is remember as being much better than he was.

It was always said that even coming into this fight that Cooney had no real power in his right hand.
Check out at 3:00.It looks like it may have been actually really a left hook that really may have first hurt Norton and not the right hand
that did land just after it?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6vbEvNRPQE

Brutu wrote:It was always said that even coming into this fight that Cooney had no real power in his right hand.
Check out at 3:00.It looks like it may have been actually really a left hook that really may have first hurt Norton and not the right hand
that did land just after it?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6vbEvNRPQE

He hurt Jimmy Young a couple of times with his right in this fight

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 3091926058#

dempseyfire wrote:
Would Tommy the Duke last 13 rounds vs a 1982 Holmes? No way in hell.

Morrison wouldn't have even lasted against a 1992 Holmes who beat Mercer and gave Holyfield all he could handle.

Brutu wrote:Cooney had a big fan base from Long Island.His profesional debut was against Bill Jackson/KO1/ February 15.1977 at the Sunnyside Gardens Queens NYC.
I wonder how many of his early fights may have been recorded by fans from Long Island who had video cameras in the audience and perhaps
the vhs tapes are just still sitting in a shoebox in someones closet next to their platform shoes(like perhaps a lot of other fights of other boxers).

Cooney wasn't only white, and Irish. He was also the NY golden gloves heavyweight champion, which meant a lot back than. Back in those days there were very few quality white heavyweights with top level amateur credentials, that were also un-defeated as a professional.

While Cooney wasn't a well rounded fighter, he was big, hit hard, and had some ability. He showed how good he was by giving Holmes one of his toughest fights. Cooney's biggest problems were mental and physical. He really wasn't psychosocially cut out to be a fighter. Cooney was media shy, had problems with alcoholism, and also had some injury issues.