Zappa

[Tinnie]

yea but y not show the other 4 fights???
some looked good too, there was a chick fight

Dont know mate, stay tuned after Vic's fight, maybe they'll show 1 or 2 then

[bigred83]

yea was hoping that actually. it is broadcast till 4pm.
how bout the scores??? interesting dont u think.
how did 2 judges come up with 116-111???
well done do lenny obviously, but yea

[Tinnie]

I didnt score it myself, but yeah i was very surprised at those cards.

Great heart shown by Lenny though, he wanted to win soooo bad and fought tooth and nail. He nearly started crying when he thought the doctor was going to stop the fight.

I do feel for Angulo though

[Hounddawg]

What did everyone think of the scoring?

I think Angulo might have cost himself a few rounds with coming in over weight.....only fair really?

Zappa needs to improve his Jab and defense and appeared to gas between 6 and 10 which Angulo won all rounds.

Good on him for winning a minor world title, very tough fight to have on his record but next time someone dangerous comes in overweight....... maybe don't take the fight????

Now he has a win against a fighter that knocked Ganoy out, should this be his next fight?

[dberry]

yea but y not show the other 4 fights???
some looked good too, there was a chick fight

Chick fights Not unless there's foxy boxing gloves, bikini's and a jelly wrestling ring!

[Tinnie]

I thought it was alot closer than the cards suggested, at the bell i was expecting either guy to win by about a round or possibly split decision. I had Lenny winning the first 4 rounds and lets not forget Angulo was deducted a point.

Yes he needs to improve his jab, especially if he hopes to land the straight right.

This is the first chance i've had to have a good look at him, i was very impressed with that murderous left hook of his. For a guy that likes to push the action he also suprised me early on with quite good counter-punching.

On another note...

The commentators kept harping on about how Zappa's team embaressed Angulo at the weigh-in. Anyone know the story behind this?

[Hounddawg]

I thought it was alot closer than the cards suggested, at the bell i was expecting either guy to win by about a round or possibly split decision. I had Lenny winning the first 4 rounds and lets not forget Angulo was deducted a point.

Yes he needs to improve his jab, especially if he hopes to land the straight right.

This is the first chance i've had to have a good look at him, i was very impressed with that murderous left hook of his. For a guy that likes to push the action he also suprised me early on with quite good counter-punching.

On another note...

The commentators kept harping on about how Zappa's team embaressed Angulo at the weigh-in. Anyone know the story behind this?

Team Zappa tried to make him lose the remaining 3 and half pounds and get back on the scales, apparently Angulo could only lose a half a pound

[perfect jet]

Absolute rubbish. Coming in overweight should be penalised by shitty scorecards? really? Angulo was penalised in that he could win the fight but not the title.

First five rounds to Lenny? please. Angulo took him to school after three rds and had Lenny missing all night. 9-3 Angulo, 8-4 at worse.

btw, Angulo was three pounds overweight, not three kilos.

[bigred83]

scrappy fight. would have been happy with a SD or MD either way. lenny needs to go and have a hard look at his defense, foot work, and JAB. good show for first tough international contest, but really cant expect to live on the back of that. angulo is hardly world class, so not worthy cash cow. i hope he grows from this fight. i think he looks the goods without a few tools, tools that can be worked on(possibly with a new more experienced trainer??). as for the fix or wateva, it was disapointing how 2 judges could score it 116-111, but lets be honest, how many perfect scores are found in ANY combat sport, let alone boxing????? its just the nature of the beast unfortunately. unless promoters start makiing a public disgrace of shit judges and sacking them we will continue to have to deal with this issue

[Hounddawg]

Absolute rubbish. Coming in overweight should be penalised by shitty scorecards? really? Angulo was penalised in that he could win the fight but not the title.

First five rounds to Lenny? please. Angulo took him to school after three rds and had Lenny missing all night. 9-3 Angulo, 8-4 at worse.

btw, Angulo was three pounds overweight, not three kilos.

Mate i just watched again as i thought i might of been influenced by the 2 commentators who suggested it was a shutout to Lenny after 5(Tarver had it 48-47 Zappa), i still think Zappa's power was far greater in the first 5 rounds and landed the far better shots, rounds 4 and 5 being close with the all out exchanges, but in Lennys favour(no weight being factored, just pure ability).
Angulo only took over in the fight when that first cut occured in the 6th which was wrongly awarded a punch.
When The headclash occured in the 8th and opened that cut up that almost covered Lennys entire eyelid, i think the fight should of been stopped as it was plain as day that Lenny couldn't see with half his face covered in streaming blood.if they went to the cards Lenny would of won the fight 5 rounds to 3.

The point about the point deduction without warning,Angulo was warned in the 8th at 1:20 remaining for punching on the break. Also of note, the commentators investigated the point deduction after the round and the referee instructed that the point deduction occurred because he hit the injured area deliberately after the break, to which all commentators concurred was correct.

The fight itself was actually a really good scrap. which did get scrappy resulting in Zappa getting cutup badly with heads clashing quite regulary.Out of the 6 or 7 major all out exchanges, lenny won 5 with rounds 3 and 4 being the 2 exchanges were lenny actually hurt and went within a bee's dick of angulo touching the canvas. Lenny losing the exchanges in rounds 9 and 10 with Lenny being rocked in the tenth.
Zappa's team already knowing the victory thats a bit of a stretch, ever see Leonard v Hagler ;;-).

I think he beats your boy Ganoy in 5, sorry but just my opinion! It's a fight that both boys need, more so lenny.

You are correct about the 3 pounds, i was only half working this afternoon.....just a little hung over.

[Hounddawg]

Absolute rubbish. Coming in overweight should be penalised by shitty scorecards? really? Angulo was penalised in that he could win the fight but not the title.

First five rounds to Lenny? please. Angulo took him to school after three rds and had Lenny missing all night. 9-3 Angulo, 8-4 at worse.

btw, Angulo was three pounds overweight, not three kilos.

You know you kind of kicked up a stink, and kind of made the excuse(weight being the issue) when Angulo beat Ganoy inside 4.Angulo being only a half a pound over weight as opposed to the 3 and half for Lenny.
I'm rather surprised PJ that you don't agree that fighters shouldn't be punished for making weight when others don't. 20% of a purse is F#ck all if it sets you up for a major payday for the next fight.

[perfect jet]

Absolute rubbish. Coming in overweight should be penalised by shitty scorecards? really? Angulo was penalised in that he could win the fight but not the title.

First five rounds to Lenny? please. Angulo took him to school after three rds and had Lenny missing all night. 9-3 Angulo, 8-4 at worse.

btw, Angulo was three pounds overweight, not three kilos.

You know you kind of kicked up a stink, and kind of made the excuse(weight being the issue) when Angulo beat Ganoy inside 4.Angulo being only a half a pound over weight as opposed to the 3 and half for Lenny.
I'm rather surprised PJ that you don't agree that fighters shouldn't be punished for making weight when others don't. 20% of a purse is F#ck all if it sets you up for a major payday for the next fight.

Please show me where I used Angulo's weight as an excuse for Ranee getting knocked out. I'd love to read something I never wrote. Yes, I did mention Angulo was over...and he wasn't a pound over for Ganoy he was 138 from memory.

Actually, others used Angulo's weight to counter the fact Ranee lost. I posted on numerous boards that the reason Ranee was beat was because he had a brain snap and lost the plot. I even went further and said that Ranee was the house fighter in that he was signed by the promoter, that Angulo had 15 days notice for the fight whilst Ranee was training for about 7 weeks, that Ranee arrived in Sth Africa ten days before the bout, Angulo got there three days before.

And I was making excuses for Ganoy???

Here you go again...where did I say fighters shouldn't be penalised for not making weight? Angulo was penalised...I'd say he lost a % of his purse and guess what...that would hurt him because I doubt he made more than 20k for that fight. He also competed in a fight where a title was at stake but not for him. Since Angulo's contract with Don King has now expired, don't you think a title would have been leverage when trying to get a deal with another promoter?

The kid won the fight, got screwed by the judges and goes home without a belt. Another loss on his record, three L's in a row now. That means his days of getting a tv fight in the states and a decent payday by his standards are almost certainly over.

I think he was penalised enough.

[Hounddawg]

Absolute rubbish. Coming in overweight should be penalised by shitty scorecards? really? Angulo was penalised in that he could win the fight but not the title.

First five rounds to Lenny? please. Angulo took him to school after three rds and had Lenny missing all night. 9-3 Angulo, 8-4 at worse.

btw, Angulo was three pounds overweight, not three kilos.

You know you kind of kicked up a stink, and kind of made the excuse(weight being the issue) when Angulo beat Ganoy inside 4.Angulo being only a half a pound over weight as opposed to the 3 and half for Lenny.
I'm rather surprised PJ that you don't agree that fighters shouldn't be punished for making weight when others don't. 20% of a purse is F#ck all if it sets you up for a major payday for the next fight.

Please show me where I used Angulo's weight as an excuse for Ranee getting knocked out. I'd love to read something I never wrote. Yes, I did mention Angulo was over...and he wasn't a pound over for Ganoy he was 138 from memory.

Actually, others used Angulo's weight to counter the fact Ranee lost. I posted on numerous boards that the reason Ranee was beat was because he had a brain snap and lost the plot. I even went further and said that Ranee was the house fighter in that he was signed by the promoter, that Angulo had 15 days notice for the fight whilst Ranee was training for about 7 weeks, that Ranee arrived in Sth Africa ten days before the bout, Angulo got there three days before.

And I was making excuses for Ganoy???

Here you go again...where did I say fighters shouldn't be penalised for not making weight? Angulo was penalised...I'd say he lost a % of his purse and guess what...that would hurt him because I doubt he made more than 20k for that fight. He also competed in a fight where a title was at stake but not for him. Since Angulo's contract with Don King has now expired, don't you think a title would have been leverage when trying to get a deal with another promoter?

The kid won the fight, got screwed by the judges and goes home without a belt. Another loss on his record, three L's in a row now. That means his days of getting a tv fight in the states and a decent payday by his standards are almost certainly over.

I think he was penalised enough.

Here you go again, it was actually 3/4 of a pound, hardly 3 and half pounds.http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer

Mate i don't care enough to get into this with you, personally i think there's a bit more to it for you.

* Change of opponent for Zappa

Zappa takes on Ganoy conqueror Fernando Angulo on the showtime card in March. Vics fight is elevated to main event and Lenny is the co-feature. Dirrell pulled out of his S6 fight with Abraham because of a back injury.

So both Vic and Lennys fights will be shown on mainevent. Angulo is an experienced guy with a tricky style and is pretty tough. He iced Ganoy when Ranee walked on to a right hand. H has gone 12 rds with Juan Diaz.

Not an easy fight for Lenny but here's the thing...Angulo is a serial offender when it comes to not making weight. He was way over for Ganoy and never got close to making weight in his fight after that on the Nate/Funeka undercard.

I'm guessing Angulo wouldn't have had much notice for this fight...the IBO belt became vacant with the death of the sth african fighter who held it. So I'm doubtful of Angulo making 135.

It's a test for Lenny, especially if he has to go 12 rds with Angulo. But he is going well and can win it if everything falls in to place. Good luck to Zappa.

Angulo has done it again...came in at 138, three pounds over!

Unreal. So that's 3 out of his last 5 fights where he hasn't got close to making weight. And in the process he has blown a chance at an IBF #2 spot and an IBO title.

Your hardly the go to man for the facts are you. 3/4 of a pound is pretty close imo, if he went and took a piss he would of made weight.

You say 8 rounds to 4 to Angulo, I say 6-5-1 to Zappa/Angulo but it certainly wasn't a blow out like you suggest if you can show me how Zappa lost any of the first 5 rounds I'll start listening again, as i think you tend to exaggerate.