CURTIS COKES

[raylawpc]

I give a sh*t about the thread starter.

I don't understand how you take a swipe at the thread starter by making a derogatory comment about Curtis Cokes.

[Collins2000]

I give a sh*t about the thread starter.

I don't understand how you take a swipe at the thread starter by making a derogatory comment about Curtis Cokes.

Another bad day Tom?

So was Cokes right bout hooks?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I give a sh*t about the thread starter.

I don't understand how you take a swipe at the thread starter by making a derogatory comment about Curtis Cokes.

Don't confuse me with someone who cares what you think. If you had any sort of sense of humor or 1st grade comprehension skills it wouldn't be so difficult on you.

[raylawpc]

I don't care about the dimwit who started this thread. I have him on ignore.

I am more fascinated by dimwits who think they know more about boxing than Curtis Cokes.

So is Cokes right in this case?

I don't know Collins. I have Granberry on ignore. I don't know exactly what Granberry wrote originally.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I don't care about the dimwit who started this thread. I have him on ignore.

I am more fascinated by dimwits who think they know more about boxing than Curtis Cokes.

So is Cokes right in this case?

I don't know Collins. I have Granberry on ignore. I don't know exactly what Granberry wrote originally.

He started 20 threads with the same exact quote from Curtis Cokes.

[raylawpc]

I give a sh*t about the thread starter.

I don't understand how you take a swipe at the thread starter by making a derogatory comment about Curtis Cokes.

Another bad day Tom?

So was Cokes right bout hooks?

Actually, yeah, Collins. My Dad died on Wednesday and we buried him on Saturday. So, actually, the whole week has sucked. Any more questions?

[BoxBuzz]

Ray, my sincere condolences on your loss.

[Ezzard]

To me, a left hook from a right handed fighter involves pivoting with the front (left) foot, turning the hips, and shifting weight backward to the right foot. If the left hand is in front of the left eye, just low enough to see over it, with the elbow straight down the fighter needs to flip the elbow up (at an angle that will hit the opponent) as he pivots, turns his hips, and shifts his weight backward. IMO, that is a hook, but I've seen hooks taught a lot of different ways.
Some people call about anything thrown with the left hand that is not a jab, a hook. Some people put little weight behind the hook and make it a wide arm punch. I don't consider that a hook, but some do.
As to whether anything thrown with the right hand by a right handed fighter can be called a hook, it's probably a matter of semantics. A right hand can't be thrown by a right handed fighter in a right handed stance using the technique above, but if you consider a wide punch with a bent elbow a hook, then it is possible.

I agree and think you've summed it up better than I could.

[Collins2000]

I give a sh*t about the thread starter.

I don't understand how you take a swipe at the thread starter by making a derogatory comment about Curtis Cokes.

Another bad day Tom?

So was Cokes right bout hooks?

Actually, yeah, Collins. My Dad died on Wednesday and we buried him on Saturday. So, actually, the whole week has sucked. Any more questions?

I'm surprised you are on a boxing board to try and cheer yourself up.

You know how it is is here.

And, no, I don't have any further questions.

[kikibalt]

my condolences on the loss of your dad Tom

[jaclem2]

..john galt has the best definition of hooks on this thread his writing is clear and to the point.


tell me john, how come you think and write so well and yet you've chosen your user name from that coo coo woman's novel, one of the worst ever written in the english language?

[granberry]

..john galt has the best definition of hooks on this thread his writing is clear and to the point.


tell me john, how come you think and write so well and yet you've chosen your user name from that coo coo woman's novel, one of the worst ever written in the english language?

Curtis Cokes has the best definition

and by a billion times over the most experience of anyone posting here.

[BoxBuzz]

I have taken down some needless personal attacks.

I'm going to ask that everyone leave this thread to those who want to discuss Curtiss Coke's thoughts with granberry. If you don't like this topic please find another thread to enjoy. Or start your own topic.

Please do not trash this thread needlessly. Your ability to enjoy our forum will be compromised if you feel the need to continue down this path.

[Knucklez]

..john galt has the best definition of hooks on this thread his writing is clear and to the point.


tell me john, how come you think and write so well and yet you've chosen your user name from that coo coo woman's novel, one of the worst ever written in the english language?

Curtis Cokes has the best definition

and by a billion times over the most experience of anyone posting here.

I don't know a thing about Cokes other than he lost to Jose Napoles a couple of times. Sounds like people rate him. I'll see if I can find some footage.

[dempseyfire]

There is no 'punch you can never throw' in boxing.

An orthordox fighter from midrange can certainly bend down, step in and pivot their body to produce a clear 'right hook' shot. Sure it's a risky punch but it can land . . .for guys with world class speed and athleticism you can often get away with what some decry as 'boxing no nos.' I mean hell by technical terms the bolo punch should never be effective vs a skilled fighter but how many elite guys have been caught by that punch? Quite a few. There is no fighter who ever got their possible counters off 100% of the time.

[BoxBuzz]

There is no 'punch you can never throw' in boxing.

An orthordox fighter from midrange can certainly bend down, step in and pivot their body to produce a clear 'right hook' shot. Sure it's a risky punch but it can land . . .for guys with world class speed and athleticism you can often get away with what some decry as 'boxing no nos.' I mean hell by technical terms the bolo punch should never be effective vs a skilled fighter but how many elite guys have been caught by that punch? Quite a few. There is no fighter who ever got their possible counters off 100% of the time.

agreed. And how would you ever classify some of the punches thrown by some of very effective fighters, some of them truly (IMHO) elite. Pernell Whitaker leads the list and broke many rules at times and got away with it. Hamed as well on a far more primitive level, and Hagler certainly played some interesting "switch stance" games along the way. There have been some unexplainable moments when the unorthodox fighter prevailed over their more disciplined and "orthodox" opponents. However I have to say and I believe that on the whole, if the most gifted fighter used the tried and true orthodox methods and stayed disciplined they would likely improve their performance. But for the most gifted athletes this is simply to boring or perhaps restrictive. The temptation to show that they don't have to follow the rules is just too great for some. And if they can dominate without the rules....it's a bit of an ego boost.

Wouldn't you agree?

[granberry]

As poster GreatA has pointed out

Curtis Cokes stopped Luis Manuel Rodriguez

on a 15 round TKO in an eliminator for Emile Griffith's vacated welterweight title.

That is quite a feat--something Griffith was never able to do.

Cokes had reached the point where he could no longer make the welterweight limit when he lost twice to Napoles.

In his very next fight after fighting Napoles Cokes weighed 160.

The same thing happened to Dick Tiger against Emile Griffith

and to Jake LaMotta in his last fight with Robinson.

In fact that happened to Griffith and was the reason he vacated the welterweight title.

In his last title defense at welterweight Griffith had to be carried from the ring after winning because he was so dehydrated from making the weight and then fighting 15 rounds his legs wouldn't function.

That is also why Napoles' win over Griffith means nothing, because Napoles insisted Griffith fight him at 147--a weight Griffith had moved away from and not fought at for years.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

As poster GreatA has pointed out

Curtis Cokes stopped Luis Manuel Rodriguez

on a 15 round TKO in an eliminator for Emile Griffith's vacated welterweight title.

That is quite a feat--something Griffith was never able to do.

Cokes had reached the point where he could no longer make the welterweight limit when he lost twice to Napoles.

In his very next fight after fighting Napoles Cokes weighed 160.

The same thing happened to Dick Tiger against Emile Griffith

and to Jake LaMotta in his last fight with Robinson.

In fact that happened to Griffith and was the reason he vacated the welterweight title.

In his last title defense at welterweight Griffith had to be carried from the ring after winning because he was so dehydrated from making the weight and then fighting 15 rounds his legs wouldn't function.

That is also why Napoles' win over Griffith means nothing, because Napoles insisted Griffith fight him at 147--a weight Griffith had moved away from and not fought at for years.

Why no mention of El Feo's struggles to make 47 before the Cokes fight? Anything other than convenience? He hadn't fought under 47 in a while and he never did again. So by your own logic, Cokes win "means nothing".

[jaclem2]

....an orthodox fighter can throw a right hook ONLY if he shifts his feet to the left hand stance. this is how bob fitzsimmons threw his "solar plexus punch to jim corbett.


while we are here :
7+8= 15
the earth revolves around the sun, not the other way around.
the equator is warmer than the north pole.

these, like the comment on right hooks, are facts, not opinions.

[Controversial]

"During the recent series of the United States Championship Boxing Matches on ABC, several of the ring announcers described looping right hand blows as right hooks. There are no such punches as right hooks for the right-handed fighter and those who really know boxing understand that those alleged right hooks are round house rights or sweeping right hands that usually leave the aggressor wide open and vulnerable to counter punches."

Is Cokes saying looping right hand punches shouldn't be called hooks or that it's impossible to throw a right hook if your right handed?

[BoxBuzz]

....an orthodox fighter can throw a right hook ONLY if he shifts his feet to the left hand stance. this is how bob fitzsimmons threw his "solar plexus punch to jim corbett.


while we are here :
7+8= 15
the earth revolves around the sun, not the other way around.
the equator is warmer than the north pole.

these, like the comment on right hooks, are facts, not opinions.

I have no quarrel with this. And this seems consistent with some other statements on this thread. I actually think folks are now in agreement.

[granberry]

"During the recent series of the United States Championship Boxing Matches on ABC, several of the ring announcers described looping right hand blows as right hooks. There are no such punches as right hooks for the right-handed fighter and those who really know boxing understand that those alleged right hooks are round house rights or sweeping right hands."

[SaadOffTheDeck]

"During the recent series of the United States Championship Boxing Matches on ABC, several of the ring announcers described looping right hand blows as right hooks. There are no such punches as right hooks for the right-handed fighter and those who really know boxing understand that those alleged right hooks are round house rights or sweeping right hands."

I can only assume you missed this question, so I'll repeat it.

Why no mention of El Feo's struggles to make 47 before the Cokes fight? Anything other than convenience? He hadn't fought under 47 in a while and he never did again. So by your own logic, Cokes win "means nothing".

[dempseyfire]

You can SNAP a short right hook with your lead leg being your left. THAT IS A FRIKKIN' RIGHT HOOK. It's not a looping shot, it's a fast compact HOOK.

How are people saying it's "impossible to throw" them??? That is simply not true. Look up 'hook' in wikipedia or brittanica or wherever . . you can 'hook' with either hand in the conventional stance. I don't even get why this argument is happening.

[granberry]

You can SNAP a short right hook with your lead leg being your left. THAT IS A FRIKKIN' RIGHT HOOK. It's not a looping shot, it's a fast compact HOOK.

How are people saying it's "impossible to throw" them??? That is simply not true. Look up 'hook' in wikipedia or brittanica or wherever . . you can 'hook' with either hand in the conventional stance. I don't even get why this argument is happening.

You know more than Curtis Cokes.

You get get your "information" on "boxing" from wikipedia and the encyclopedia brittainica.

That is rich.

LOL