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Robinson wrote:You say that Young was mostly passive Vs Ali,
yet you scored it a win for Pastrano over Johnson ?

Mark Kram said Young was a passive figure and I would echo his observation. Willie Pastrano used movement to confound Johnson.

ThatOne

I would love to know how you scored it.
Because I did not see Pastrano do anything
but run.

Young, gave up ground, but he threw his share
of punches. Unlike Pastrano.

ThatOne wrote:

Robinson wrote:

ThatOne wrote:
Muhammad Ali stripped him of his air of invinvcibility.

What does that even mean ? He lost a fight. I think writers
who know NOTHING about anything conjure up this crap so
people can cling to it.

The Foreman that Young fought was a hungry and determined
fighter that was upset against an unorthodox, in shape and
hungry fighter.

Emotionally not there is Oliver McCall in the Lewis rematch.

Something was going on in Big George's head after the Young fight. In his autobiography he said he saw Jesus and was convinced to retire.

Foreman saw Jesus after he collapsed in his dressing room after the fight badly dehydrated. Post-Ali I agree with Robby Foreman was an angry, determined vengeful fighter with some new wrinkles in his game added by Bill Clancy. I think George won 6 of the first 7 rounds vs Young but badly gassed out after attempting to finish Young in the 7th and from thereon Young took over the fight, winning via the 12th round KD.

Only other person to beat Foreman in the 70s was Ali in what many consider his career performance. Pretty amazing feat.

The difference with Wlad is that he'd simply stay on the outside and let Young come to him, which Jimmy wouldn't do, and it'd be a dreadful 12 round borefest. Maybe if it's 15 rounds Young can take Wlad into deeper waters.