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Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:http://news.boxrec.com/news/2010/prospe ... ug-dealing

FFS.

Saw the title of the thread - sorry guys to be controversial - I find it hard to give any sympathy!!!

I work on the "sub prime financial market" and see plenty of people in the sh*t and plenty of people without a pot to p*ss in - many of those people find the discipline from somewhere to stay away from drugs!!!

Spud wrote: I work on the "sub prime financial market"

That is a very fancy way to say you are a bailiff Spud!

TerribleTerry wrote:

Spud wrote: I work on the "sub prime financial market"

That is a very fancy way to say you are a bailiff Spud!

Spud are you a Baiiff?????

Is Jack currently on bail,or remanded after his latest court appearance?

Spud wrote:

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:http://news.boxrec.com/news/2010/prospe ... ug-dealing

FFS.

Saw the title of the thread - sorry guys to be controversial - I find it hard to give any sympathy!!!

I work on the "sub prime financial market" and see plenty of people in the sh*t and plenty of people without a pot to p*ss in - many of those people find the discipline from somewhere to stay away from drugs!!!

Not from where am from!

Agree with Spud! (WOW, although I've read your views on this in the past so I knew I was going to agree) and Wrists I must say. Can see what Ian is saying........ but call me old fashioned but there is being daft and there is breaking the law.

Of course I was brought up in a loving family from a rural / naive background - but I was taught from day dot that Drugs were bad..... of course there would be some situations in which I would have SOME sympathy..... like if it was major family issues and you need to make a quick buck fast to help your family - but even so, there are OTHER ways, other legal ways.

standing8 wrote:Is Jack currently on bail,or remanded after his latest court appearance?

Bailed to appear June 10th.

jBacca wrote:

Spud wrote:

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:http://news.boxrec.com/news/2010/prospe ... ug-dealing

FFS.

Saw the title of the thread - sorry guys to be controversial - I find it hard to give any sympathy!!!

I work on the "sub prime financial market" and see plenty of people in the sh*t and plenty of people without a pot to p*ss in - many of those people find the discipline from somewhere to stay away from drugs!!!

Not from where am from!

Got to disagree pal - I work in some of the most deprived areas of the North East - Like in many other places, there is no prospect of work - but its refreshing to see many lads and lasses not resorting to drugs etc etc - top people - although do have to say one skinny young man had quite a shock when he threatened to hijack my car - bless his cotton socks!!!

Spud wrote:

jBacca wrote:

Spud wrote: Saw the title of the thread - sorry guys to be controversial - I find it hard to give any sympathy!!!

I work on the "sub prime financial market" and see plenty of people in the sh*t and plenty of people without a pot to p*ss in - many of those people find the discipline from somewhere to stay away from drugs!!!

Not from where am from!

Got to disagree pal - I work in some of the most deprived areas of the North East - Like in many other places, there is no prospect of work - but its refreshing to see many lads and lasses not resorting to drugs etc etc - top people - although do have to say one skinny young man had quite a shock when he threatened to hijack my car - bless his cotton socks!!!

When talking about drugs here, are you including cannabis as well as the class a's?

i had some of the wifes relatives come down today from lancashire.

We live in hackney in london, considered to be one of the most deprived areas in the country, but when school kids brag about having done drugs it is always, "i smoked some weed today"

the relatives have a nine year old son, he came out with, "i injected heroin the other day".

It's scary up norff

immediate response is good on the Police to be honest for busting the little cnt if he's done it. I don't really see any good reason to hide that opinion.

This is so unlike Jack, Innocent until proven guilty.

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:When you're 20, you don't know your arse from your elbow. To make it worse, you think you know it all.

This isn't an excuse. It's just my opinion.

That's a bold and very good statement...

I've known jack and his family personally for many years, he's a brilliant lad- very determined to succeed and has all the talent in the world. Great chin, good dig- nice boxing skills. I doubt very much that he is involved in the drug scene. Blackpool has a horrendous problem with drugs. I think this will very much turn out to be a case of misconstrued evidence.

Jeff Thomas wrote:I've known jack and his family personally for many years, he's a brilliant lad- very determined to succeed and has all the talent in the world. Great chin, good dig- nice boxing skills. I doubt very much that he is involved in the drug scene. Blackpool has a horrendous problem with drugs. I think this will very much turn out to be a case of misconstrued evidence.

no offence intended mate but ive dealt with many a dealer in the past and even considered having a go dealing myself at one time , ive never known anyone to get to court for drug offences that arent guilty , ive seen many a reversal where people who everyone knows are dealers getting away with it , but id be very surprised to hear it was untrue , even if found not guilty , like i said , dont mean any offence to you seeing as you know him , but just my view

MachoMan09 wrote:

Jeff Thomas wrote:I've known jack and his family personally for many years, he's a brilliant lad- very determined to succeed and has all the talent in the world. Great chin, good dig- nice boxing skills. I doubt very much that he is involved in the drug scene. Blackpool has a horrendous problem with drugs. I think this will very much turn out to be a case of misconstrued evidence.

Getting caught redhanded is usually a fairly decent guage of whether somebody is guilty or not. I actually expect him to plead guilty in the hope he will avoid a custodial sentence and if I was his lawyer, that is what I would advise him to do.

Even with a guilty plea,a conspiracy charge involving Class As and Bs is a definate custodial sentence.2-3 years will be a good result.He's lucky it didnt happen last year or he would surely have got a mention in "The Fixer",in the Blackpool chapters under some dodgy similar sounding name

mickey1975 wrote:

MachoMan09 wrote:

Jeff Thomas wrote:I've known jack and his family personally for many years, he's a brilliant lad- very determined to succeed and has all the talent in the world. Great chin, good dig- nice boxing skills. I doubt very much that he is involved in the drug scene. Blackpool has a horrendous problem with drugs. I think this will very much turn out to be a case of misconstrued evidence.

Getting caught redhanded is usually a fairly decent guage of whether somebody is guilty or not. I actually expect him to plead guilty in the hope he will avoid a custodial sentence and if I was his lawyer, that is what I would advise him to do.

Even with a guilty plea,a conspiracy charge involving Class As and Bs is a definate custodial sentence.2-3 years will be a good result.He's lucky it didnt happen last year or he would surely have got a mention in "The Fixer",in the Blackpool chapters under some dodgy similar sounding name

Lad i know got caught with £3000 worth of heroin , didn't get put away.

It's the dreaded word 'conspiracy' which tends to do for you, so I'm led to believe.

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:It's the dreaded word 'conspiracy' which tends to do for you, so I'm led to believe.

Correct.Possesion with intent to supply is a lesser charge than Conspiracy.3K's worth of Brown though,and the guy mentioned above should be doing time.I bet his "associates" are asking questions.

somtimes being a popular boxer in your area, attracts lads on the wrong side of the law that want to use there status & face to do a bit of graft.know one really knows his background he may be naive he might not be naive???hope he sorts his life out.

Jeff Thomas wrote:I've known jack and his family personally for many years, he's a brilliant lad- very determined to succeed and has all the talent in the world. Great chin, good dig- nice boxing skills. I doubt very much that he is involved in the drug scene. Blackpool has a horrendous problem with drugs. I think this will very much turn out to be a case of misconstrued evidence.

Hope so mate, lets hope so.

I knew sweet FA about life when I was 20 and the intervening 13 years have probably done little to change that but I never got involved with drugs or dealing because I simply didn't have the bottle to take the risks involved. I imagine though for someone who does, the danger/percieved street cred and not least of all, fiscal reward, might prove very tempting to someone of a thrill seeking disposition.

It is however a vile trade and maybe it would help Arnfield to observe the status of some of it's worst victims.

off the subject ie jack but if u know a lad who got caught wiv 3000 of smack then theonly way he didnt go to jail is by bein a grass!!!! he must of sung like a canery to stay out after being caught wiv that!!

superpunchout wrote:I knew sweet FA about life when I was 20 and the intervening 13 years have probably done little to change that but I never got involved with drugs or dealing because I simply didn't have the bottle to take the risks involved. I imagine though for someone who does, the danger/percieved street cred and not least of all, fiscal reward, might prove very tempting to someone of a thrill seeking disposition.

It is however a vile trade and maybe it would help Arnfield to observe the status of some of it's worst victims.

Here's one of the worst victims, a 17 year old lad who came from a caring family and had a Dad who worried about him but didn't know how to cope with him. The lad had special needs, aspergers ADHD type stuff mildly autistic. He got mixed up with the wrong crowd who introduced him to heroin. He suffered from depression and ended up leaving home even though his Dad tried to keep him there. So the lad ends up roughing it stopping on couches when he and park benches we he couldn't. Then one day my team get a call because the regular bobbies need someone with a ladder, we go to a park and the lad is hanging from a climbing frame by washing line, He is still warm been up there only a couple of hours. I had to hold him in a bear hug while my mate goes up the ladder and cuts him down. He was lighter than my 14year old lad because of the malnutrition. The even sadder thing is that crime scenes reckon he didn't mean to do it and it should just have been a cry for help. Don't know how they knew that but that's what they said. That was one of the worst working days. :(

As some of said, if this is 110% true, no sympathy at all. He took the easy way out, and thus is paying the price for it.