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Three great champions

According to Francis these guys hated each other. If only he didn't get all his opinions via the media shills.

Two Lions in Winter

Herbert Muhammad, son to Nation of Islam’s Elijah Muhammad, dies

Thursday, August 28, 2008


Herbert Muhammad who became famous as the long-time boxing manager of Muhammad Ali, died Monday in Chicago following heart surgery. He was 79.

Muhammad was the third son of Elijah Muhammad. Born Elijah Poole, he became a Muslim and later the leader of the Nation of Islam for several decades.

Herbert Muhammad was the Nation of Islam’s chief business manager, according to a family statement, establishing and managing a successful bakery, restaurant, dry cleaning and other enterprises.

In addition, he established and oversaw operations of the Nation of Islam’s newspaper, Muhammad Speaks, at the peak of its influence, dispatching correspondents to Africa, Europe and other points overseas, and building the weekly’s circulation to nearly one million copies.

Muhammad officially became Ali’s manager in 1966 when the fighter’s contract with a consortium of Louisville, Ky., businessmen expired but had established control well before that date.

He went on to promote several million-dollar purses for Ali’s bouts and stayed on as a spiritual adviser well after the former heavyweight champion’s last bout in 1981.

The business relationship became increasingly strained by the 1990s as Ali and his fourth wife, Lonnie, began to assert more direct control over his affairs.

A Muslim prayer service will be held today at 11:00 a.m. on the grounds of Masjid al-Faatir, 1200 E. 47th Street, followed by interment.

A community-wide memorial service will be held on Saturday for which details will soon be announced.

http://www.chicagodefender.com/article- ... -dies.html

Nobody cares about Ali's N O I days.


He's put it behind him.


This is a post-racial America.

ThatOne wrote:Nobody cares about Ali's N O I days.


He's put it behind him.


This is a post-racial America.

Tell that to Reverend Wright.

Jesse Jackson.

Al Sharpton.

LOL

ThatOne wrote:Nobody cares about Ali's N O I days.


He's put it behind him.


This is a post-racial America.

Those were the days when he was fighting.

LOL

How to spot a crank

His claims grow more and more authoritative in tone as the foundations of his arguments dissolve into piffle.

piffle can be an acurate descriptor for some of his claims certainly.


Some interesting relevant Troo Fax to ponder:

*Ali and Frazier are both great champions

*Ali and Frazier spent some of their time as good friends

*Frazier was recorded as saying and I quote" "my man" when referring to Ali. This statement was made as the "Rumble in the Jungle" was progressing in real time. (I have posted this video snippet in the past).

*Frazier beat Ali once, Ali beat Frazier once, and then of course once again. Frazier never stopped Ali, but he did knock him down, Ali never knocked Frazier down, (Cuz the ref didn't like that idea and "intervened".) But Ali did eventually put a stop to Frazier's smokin', in part because of a benevolant and caring Eddie Futch. Who should be given credit for recognizing the right thing to do.

*Granberry has great respect and admiration for Joe Frazier just as I, and most of us do.

*granberry does not particularly care for Ali, and sometimes will go so far as to raise his written voice against this select pugilist in what clearly appears to be a personal level.

....and so it goes.....

The Left mobilized to do to Joe Frazier the man what Muhammad Ali the boxer could not do in the ring: destroy him as a man. Shameless idiots like Bryant Gumbel wrote that "Joe Frazier is the white man's champion," while Cosell made a career out of serving as Ali's journalism pimp and jester.

By the time the two would meet in Manila for their ultimate confrontation in 1975, Ali was king of the media. His racist attacks reached new lows while the press corps giggled along.

"The language of racial superiority shaped Ali’s attacks on Joe Frazier, and in Manila, his relentless use of the word gorilla took on a sinister tone," Schreiber says.

It began at a press conference when Ali began his familiar rhyming sessions. "It will be a thrilla when I get the gorilla in Manila," he boasts, then whips out a rubber gorilla that he called "the soul of Joe Frazier" and began beating on it. But it was more than just words, it became a full-fledged theme that spread out to T-shirts, dolls and even men in costumes sparring in Ali’s ring.

"Ali portrayed Joe Frazier as inferior, not only as a boxer but as a human being," the film offers, showing clips of Ali using such terms as "Flat nose, ugly pug, can’t dance, ignorant" and the ubiquitous, "gorilla."

granberry wrote:The Left mobilized to do to Joe Frazier the man what Muhammad Ali the boxer could not do in the ring: destroy him as a man. Shameless idiots like Bryant Gumbel wrote that "Joe Frazier is the white man's champion," while Cosell made a career out of serving as Ali's journalism pimp and jester.

By the time the two would meet in Manila for their ultimate confrontation in 1975, Ali was king of the media. His racist attacks reached new lows while the press corps giggled along.

"The language of racial superiority shaped Ali’s attacks on Joe Frazier, and in Manila, his relentless use of the word gorilla took on a sinister tone," Schreiber says.

It began at a press conference when Ali began his familiar rhyming sessions. "It will be a thrilla when I get the gorilla in Manila," he boasts, then whips out a rubber gorilla that he called "the soul of Joe Frazier" and began beating on it. But it was more than just words, it became a full-fledged theme that spread out to T-shirts, dolls and even men in costumes sparring in Ali’s ring.

"Ali portrayed Joe Frazier as inferior, not only as a boxer but as a human being," the film offers, showing clips of Ali using such terms as "Flat nose, ugly pug, can’t dance, ignorant" and the ubiquitous, "gorilla."

I love reading stuff by someone pretending -- magnificently -- that he actually knows what he's talking about.

Collins2000 wrote:

granberry wrote:The Left mobilized to do to Joe Frazier the man what Muhammad Ali the boxer could not do in the ring: destroy him as a man. Shameless idiots like Bryant Gumbel wrote that "Joe Frazier is the white man's champion," while Cosell made a career out of serving as Ali's journalism pimp and jester.

By the time the two would meet in Manila for their ultimate confrontation in 1975, Ali was king of the media. His racist attacks reached new lows while the press corps giggled along.

"The language of racial superiority shaped Ali’s attacks on Joe Frazier, and in Manila, his relentless use of the word gorilla took on a sinister tone," Schreiber says.

It began at a press conference when Ali began his familiar rhyming sessions. "It will be a thrilla when I get the gorilla in Manila," he boasts, then whips out a rubber gorilla that he called "the soul of Joe Frazier" and began beating on it. But it was more than just words, it became a full-fledged theme that spread out to T-shirts, dolls and even men in costumes sparring in Ali’s ring.

"Ali portrayed Joe Frazier as inferior, not only as a boxer but as a human being," the film offers, showing clips of Ali using such terms as "Flat nose, ugly pug, can’t dance, ignorant" and the ubiquitous, "gorilla."

I love reading stuff by someone pretending -- magnificently -- that he actually knows what he's talking about.

granberry didn't write that.

He quoted that.

From the author who wrote that.

granberry wrote:

Collins2000 wrote:

granberry wrote:The Left mobilized to do to Joe Frazier the man what Muhammad Ali the boxer could not do in the ring: destroy him as a man. Shameless idiots like Bryant Gumbel wrote that "Joe Frazier is the white man's champion," while Cosell made a career out of serving as Ali's journalism pimp and jester.

By the time the two would meet in Manila for their ultimate confrontation in 1975, Ali was king of the media. His racist attacks reached new lows while the press corps giggled along.

"The language of racial superiority shaped Ali’s attacks on Joe Frazier, and in Manila, his relentless use of the word gorilla took on a sinister tone," Schreiber says.

It began at a press conference when Ali began his familiar rhyming sessions. "It will be a thrilla when I get the gorilla in Manila," he boasts, then whips out a rubber gorilla that he called "the soul of Joe Frazier" and began beating on it. But it was more than just words, it became a full-fledged theme that spread out to T-shirts, dolls and even men in costumes sparring in Ali’s ring.

"Ali portrayed Joe Frazier as inferior, not only as a boxer but as a human being," the film offers, showing clips of Ali using such terms as "Flat nose, ugly pug, can’t dance, ignorant" and the ubiquitous, "gorilla."

I love reading stuff by someone pretending -- magnificently -- that he actually knows what he's talking about.

granberry didn't write that.

He quoted that.

From the author who wrote that.

Did C2K say granberry wrote it?

C2K knows that granberry is not the only crank who has found an outlet on the internet.

Ali was king of the media. His racist attacks reached new lows while the press corps giggled along.

"The language of racial superiority shaped Ali’s attacks on Joe Frazier, and in Manila, his relentless use of the word gorilla took on a sinister tone," Schreiber says.

"Ali portrayed Joe Frazier as inferior, not only as a boxer but as a human being," the film offers, showing clips of Ali using such terms as "Flat nose, ugly pug, can’t dance, ignorant" and the ubiquitous, "gorilla."

granberry wrote:Ali was king of the media. His racist attacks reached new lows while the press corps giggled along.

"The language of racial superiority shaped Ali’s attacks on Joe Frazier, and in Manila, his relentless use of the word gorilla took on a sinister tone," Schreiber says.

"Ali portrayed Joe Frazier as inferior, not only as a boxer but as a human being," the film offers, showing clips of Ali using such terms as "Flat nose, ugly pug, can’t dance, ignorant" and the ubiquitous, "gorilla."

This still-squishy mixture needs to be tapped by a fairy godmother's wand to turn it into something a bit more solid.

It's like the orange juice story; it only appears realistic to the less intelligent.

"Ali portrayed Joe Frazier as inferior, not only as a boxer but as a human being," the film offers, showing clips of Ali using such terms as "Flat nose, ugly pug, can’t dance, ignorant" and the ubiquitous, "gorilla."

granberry wrote:"Ali portrayed Joe Frazier as inferior, not only as a boxer but as a human being," the film offers, showing clips of Ali using such terms as "Flat nose, ugly pug, can’t dance, ignorant" and the ubiquitous, "gorilla."

He said Joe couldn't dance? I can't believe Ali would say that. Suggesting a brother don't have no rhythm is no joke!!!

Get a life, mate.

granberry wrote:The Left mobilized to do to Joe Frazier the man what Muhammad Ali the boxer could not do in the ring: destroy him as a man. Shameless idiots like Bryant Gumbel wrote that "Joe Frazier is the white man's champion," while Cosell made a career out of serving as Ali's journalism pimp and jester.

By the time the two would meet in Manila for their ultimate confrontation in 1975, Ali was king of the media. His racist attacks reached new lows while the press corps giggled along.

"The language of racial superiority shaped Ali’s attacks on Joe Frazier, and in Manila, his relentless use of the word gorilla took on a sinister tone," Schreiber says.

It began at a press conference when Ali began his familiar rhyming sessions. "It will be a thrilla when I get the gorilla in Manila," he boasts, then whips out a rubber gorilla that he called "the soul of Joe Frazier" and began beating on it. But it was more than just words, it became a full-fledged theme that spread out to T-shirts, dolls and even men in costumes sparring in Ali’s ring.

"Ali portrayed Joe Frazier as inferior, not only as a boxer but as a human being," the film offers, showing clips of Ali using such terms as "Flat nose, ugly pug, can’t dance, ignorant" and the ubiquitous, "gorilla."

Sadly, this is all correct.

Ali was absolutely shameful in his treatment of Frazier and the pathetic, fawning press played right along with it.

Karma can be a bitch, I reckon.

I have no issue with Ali being racist towards white people - after all, they deserved it.

The treatment of Joe was scandalous, whichever way you look at it. Regardless of how good a fighter Ali was, he was bang out of order with the way he treated Joe.

I understand that bigging yourself up is part of the sport and has been for decades but Ali specialised in talking down his opponent in order to make himself look good, which is inexcusable.

Unfortunately the fact that Ali was a member of the Nation of Islam nor the fact that he went too far in his verbal attacks on Frazier mean jack when discussing him as one of the greatest heavyweights to ever lace on a pair of gloves, which he was.