EDWIN VALERO ARRESTED

[Wales]

I once read a book about a bar in thiland (stick with me on this one) that had midgets in velcro suits and you could throw them onto a big material wall making them stick.

"Dont tell my mother I work on the rigs. She thinks ima piano player ina whore house" was the book.

[Nightmare Roy]

I once read a book about a bar in thiland (stick with me on this one) that had midgets in velcro suits and you could throw them onto a big material wall making them stick.

"Dont tell my mother I work on the rigs. She thinks ima piano player ina whore house" was the book.

Cool i'm going to Thailand this year, i'd be well up for that!

[Nightmare Roy]

So do yuo think any boxer that commits a criminal offence should be banned ?

If i was convicted of attacking anyone let alone my wife who in his case weighs about 100 lbs, i know i would loose my job thats for sure, why shouldn't he?

[forcefraser]

I once read a book about a bar in thiland (stick with me on this one) that had midgets in velcro suits and you could throw them onto a big material wall making them stick.

"Dont tell my mother I work on the rigs. She thinks ima piano player ina whore house" was the book.

Cool i'm going to Thailand this year, i'd be well up for that!

I`ve seen it on TV. It`s like a version of midget darts. Quite entetaining actually.

Do feel a bit sorry for the midget, but then again, it`s maybe the only way they can earn any coin ou there. Bit like dwarf ten pin bowling.

[forcefraser]

So do yuo think any boxer that commits a criminal offence should be banned ?

If i was convicted of attacking anyone let alone my wife who in his case weighs about 100 lbs, i know i would loose my job thats for sure, why shouldn't he?

Because he`s elf employed DD

[Horse]

Yes I am, and I apologise as this is no place for personal attacks but strongly disagree with you (you ever seen the traumatic sight of a woman terrified for her life and beaten to a pulp by her partner in the flesh... I have... why it sparked a strong remark),

Bygones.

So you're saying if Ricky Hatton had put his partner in hospital and punctured her lung and was found guilty of such an offence, do you think he deserves the right to fight without any form of punishment or ban?

I would hope that people would boycott Hatton's future fights if he behaved like that, but I don't think he should be banned for it.

I think any boxer found guilty of using his fists outside of hours should be made explain themselves to their requisite boxing authority. Whether that happens is obviously another story and just because so and so did this and so and so did that doesn't matter.

If boxers are misbehaving outside of the ring then I think it should be for the law to punish them not the boxing authorities. But, this is just my opinion.

[Nightmare Roy]

I once read a book about a bar in thiland (stick with me on this one) that had midgets in velcro suits and you could throw them onto a big material wall making them stick.

"Dont tell my mother I work on the rigs. She thinks ima piano player ina whore house" was the book.

Cool i'm going to Thailand this year, i'd be well up for that!

I`ve seen it on TV. It`s like a version of midget darts. Quite entetaining actually.

Do feel a bit sorry for the midget, but then again, it`s maybe the only way they can earn any coin ou there. Bit like dwarf ten pin bowling.

DD Any one know the name of the bar I am SERIOUSLY up for this, not sure what my liberal thinking, does a lot for charity, missis will think, but she made me pay 40 quid to freeze my nuts of on a gondala in Venice one January, so know it's pay back time

[DIRT SUGAR]

Oh come on Wales we're talking physical violence here. A boxer getting done for say shop-lifting or say fraud and someone beating his wife to a pulp and puncturing his wife's lung is hardly comparable is it.

And I would have thought any boxer who has done time would have to attend a board meeting to get his licence back anyhow.

Are you saying that anyone with a criminal record or who commits an offence deserves a licence to box without any kind of need to explaining past disgressions because from what I know having criminal record does have an effect on a person's ability to work.

If we're going to put it that way let's take it a step further. Would you let a bloke whose been done for abusing his children box?

[forcefraser]

. Would you let a bloke whose been done for abusing his children box?

As long as he was dreadfully overmatched and the ref was blind and deaf, I wouldn`t mind.

[DIRT SUGAR]

Right I've had enough of all this, I'm off home to give the missus a kickin. Easier than boxing

[Wales]

Its not comparable, of course its not, they're different offences. But it has to be a rule, and not ifs and buts, otherwise its going to be another misty foggy aspect of boxing. If we dont have black and white its down to interpretation.
I might think selling cocaine = fine to box on. But punching a woman isnt fine to box. Then you'd get the father of a child who has died form taking cocaine saying "hang on a minute" ... its down to interpretation.
I know boxers have to go in front of the board to get a liscence back after being convicted of an offence. But I dont think Valero will have much trouble finding a state or commission that will allow him to fight after his time is spent.

Are you saying a person who is convicted of assaulting a woman should never be employed again, period?

Actually, is there a law anywhere that states time spent criminals must be treated fairly with regards to employment or anything?

[Nightmare Roy]

Right I've had enough of all this, I'm off home to give the missus a kickin. Easier than boxing

Depends on the missis

[DIRT SUGAR]

Its not comparable, of course its not, they're different offences. But it has to be a rule, and not ifs and buts, otherwise its going to be another misty foggy aspect of boxing. If we dont have black and white its down to interpretation.
I might think selling cocaine = fine to box on. But punching a woman isnt fine to box. Then you'd get the father of a child who has died form taking cocaine saying "hang on a minute" ... its down to interpretation.
I know boxers have to go in front of the board to get a liscence back after being convicted of an offence. But I dont think Valero will have much trouble finding a state or commission that will allow him to fight after his time is spent.

Are you saying a person who is convicted of assaulting a woman should never be employed again, period?

Actually, is there a law anywhere that states time spent criminals must be treated fairly with regards to employment or anything?

I'm not an expert on rights to work but I think any fighter who has spent time in prison or been convicted has no automatic right to earn money through the sport of boxing and the more serious the crime, the harder it 'should' be for them to be licenced. They should at least have to plead their case to the board and prove they are or give insurances they are not of a residivist nature – or at least not a danger to the public for God's sake! If found guilty I don't think Edwin Valero has any place in the sport. That's my final point on the matter as we could just go on forever. Good debate though.

[Wales]

Agreed. have a good weekend.

[DIRT SUGAR]

Agreed. have a good weekend.

You too Walesy!

[alexpaterson]

Idiot!!
Just when he's starting to make a name for himself and does something like this, its crazy.

[Shirow]

valero has got severe brain problems which boxing dont help, he isnt allowed to box in many places down to these issue's.
i believe there is an imbalance due to damage he's recieved & pity the man, to be lashing out to them closest to him show's he aint well as it aint normal.

I didn't know anything about that - tell us more?

I'd like to hear more too. I had read that he had bone chips removed from beneath his scalp after a motorbike accident so that's why he argued that it was not a brain injury and he should not be banned.

[Asterix]

The guy should be banned from boxing. Thug.

I disagree. His personal life should not effect his right to box.

So you think he should still be allowed to box professionally from prison?

[Asterix]

valero has got severe brain problems which boxing dont help, he isnt allowed to box in many places down to these issue's.
i believe there is an imbalance due to damage he's recieved & pity the man, to be lashing out to them closest to him show's he aint well as it aint normal.

I didn't know anything about that - tell us more?

I'd like to hear more too. I had read that he had bone chips removed from beneath his scalp after a motorbike accident so that's why he argued that it was not a brain injury and he should not be banned.

I think Hurlock heard/read about Valero's problems after the accident decided to take the story one step further. I've never heard of Valero having an "imbalance" in his brain.

On February 5, 2001, Valero was involved in a severe motorcycle accident in which he wasn't wearing a helmet. He fractured his skull and had surgery to remove a blood clot. This injury was sustained prior to him launching his pro career, and it has created roadblocks to major bodies sanctioning his fights. Valero claims that his Venezuelan doctor cleared him to fight on January 17, 2002, and he turned pro that July with a first-round KO.

Valero appeared to hit the jackpot when he was signed after his 12th pro fight by Golden Boy Promotions. Valero was scheduled to appear on HBO's Boxing After Dark, but in January 2004, he failed an MRI due to brain scan irregularities in New York and thus was not allowed to fight in the United States. As a result, the fight did not take place. He has continued to fight outside the US, and, as of March 25, 2008, Valero was cleared to box in the state of Texas.

Emphasis mine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Vale ... roadblocks

[Horse]

So you think he should still be allowed to box professionally from prison?

I don't really have an opinion on that.

[reggaereggae]

Why is noone asking whether she deserved it or not? Maybe she needed to be put in her place....