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tonyevs wrote:Calzaghe is retired ... move on

tonyevs wrote:Jab and Move, I`m seriously thinking your just Gomez posting under another username to get more Calzaghe slating on the site :(

Calzaghe is retired ... move on

tonyevs wrote:Jab and Move, I`m seriously thinking your just Gomez posting under another username to get more Calzaghe slating on the site :(

Calzaghe is retired ... move on

Jab and Move wrote:

tonyevs wrote:Jab and Move, I`m seriously thinking your just Gomez posting under another username to get more Calzaghe slating on the site :(

Calzaghe is retired ... move on

I just dislike him. I cant help it, he's just one of them guys I dislike, mainly because he spent his life fighting bums and convincing the general public and non boxing fans that he is the greatest fighter ever.

hurlock wrote:

Jab and Move wrote:

tonyevs wrote:Jab and Move, I`m seriously thinking your just Gomez posting under another username to get more Calzaghe slating on the site :(

Calzaghe is retired ... move on

I just dislike him. I cant help it, he's just one of them guys I dislike, mainly because he spent his life fighting bums and convincing the general public and non boxing fans that he is the greatest fighter ever.

what the legend killer

i out jonesd roy jones

after 46 & 0 he's defining fights boil down to lacy & kassler
reid was robbed v him & he only faced him on a back of a defeat.

frankwarrenfan wrote:

ben k wrote:Froch shouldn't really speak about Calzaghe, He has about 1/10th the Talent of the Welshman.
Calzaghe would have easily accounted for Froch, at any stage of his career, He could come bak now and it would be an easy payday .

so why didn't he fight carl and shut him up?

ben k wrote:
Interesting, Fight Froch for fornicate all. Or fight Hopkins then Roy Jones Jnr for plenty of Money. You guess Einstein

collydagenham wrote:Calzaghe critics, tell us who he SHOULD have fought and WHEN he should have fought them and at what weight he should have fought them, throughout his career.

Jab and Move wrote:

tonyevs wrote:Jab and Move, I`m seriously thinking your just Gomez posting under another username to get more Calzaghe slating on the site :(

Calzaghe is retired ... move on

I just dislike him. I cant help it, he's just one of them guys I dislike, mainly because he spent his life fighting bums and convincing the general public and non boxing fans that he is the greatest fighter ever.

G0mez wrote:

collydagenham wrote:Calzaghe critics, tell us who he SHOULD have fought and WHEN he should have fought them and at what weight he should have fought them, throughout his career.

There is not enough text on this forum to analyse that.

I'm assuming you think his record is pixel perfect then?

I'd start the ball rolling at Brian Magee... he pulled out that fight with a sell out in Belfast and went and rematched Mario Veit whom he stopped in one round. They span some bull about Brian not being recognised by the WBO despite him fighting a huge stockpile of men not ranked even in the top 20 of the division.

He was chatting about moving up to light heavyweight but pulled out of 3 fights with Glen Johnson and almost ended up in court for loss of earnings. It was Warren's co-promotional relationship with Johnson that stopped it.

He farted and moaned about not getting anyone to come to Wales to fight him... he should have gone to the States many a year ago but floated rumours about flying and all sorts to stop it.

Roy Jones when he was the unified 175lb champion fought Clinton Woods - but Joe couldn't muster the courage to chase the big fights. He was happy fighting cannon fodder delivered to Wales for years and years.

The fact he faced his first fellow belt holder after 12 years as champion tells me enough about his aspirations.

His boasts about being 'much better than Lennox Lewis because he was defeated' absolutely sums him for me.

Rematching chumps but anyone he was barely to beat, he swerved them like the plague. Robin Reid was ostrcised by UK boxing to fight around europe for a living. Hopkins offered to go to Wales but Joe refused.

Instead he fought a guy he claimed was shot to bits (his own words). People say ah he wanted a nest egg etc etc - that's fine, but tell me how he was a great warrior and the best this country produced because that's tosh.

His legacy is littered with bums, unknowns and little people - and excuse and excuse from him and his supporters.

Evans Ashira for example - a guy who'd never fought at Super middle before or since, a short little light middlweight who'd be destroyed in 3 only a couple of fights earlier sums him up.

People make this a Froch argument - but can you imagine Froch announcing he was fighting some pup from 154 who wasn't even a champion at his own weight - or Peter Manfredo?

You'd swallow it if Joe was just starting out, but these fights were made after he had held that trinket title for over a decade.

Truth is i used to follow Joe, but tired of his fixed fights where he would drop all the big names in interviews and fight someone absolutely unknown to everyone. Then talk about big names again.

Some of his fights you couldn't even get odds on from a bookies they were so nailed on.

But obviously i'm just a froch supporter / critic / hater aren't I and none of the above is really true is it

Brilliant summation, I agree with it all EXCEPT one little point. Hopkins priced himself out of that one, demanding double the agreed contractual fee on the day he arrived to sign it - you cannot blame Joe for that one.

The Irony is, based on when they did fight, I think Hopkins would have beaten Joe at that point, he'd have exploited the defensive frailties and drawn him into a messy brawl and won by a clear margin.

Joe was too much of a homeboy, always wanted hand picked opponents, always wanted home advantage, always moaning about not getting respect, but doing nothing to earn it.

Even his best wins over Kessler and Lacy are looking less impressive as time goes on. His performance against Hopkins was Dire, and even the ghost of Roy Jones Jr had him on his arse.

Calzaghe had plrenty of talent, but lacked the balls to provde it against the best. I have no doubt that had he fought the 10 or so fighters that were around the upper eschelons of the division that he never matched up with, he'd have had a few losses on that record he is always banging on about. He'd have also been far more respected amongst the boxing fraternity too.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

G0mez wrote:

collydagenham wrote:Calzaghe critics, tell us who he SHOULD have fought and WHEN he should have fought them and at what weight he should have fought them, throughout his career.

There is not enough text on this forum to analyse that.

I'm assuming you think his record is pixel perfect then?

I'd start the ball rolling at Brian Magee... he pulled out that fight with a sell out in Belfast and went and rematched Mario Veit whom he stopped in one round. They span some bull about Brian not being recognised by the WBO despite him fighting a huge stockpile of men not ranked even in the top 20 of the division.

He was chatting about moving up to light heavyweight but pulled out of 3 fights with Glen Johnson and almost ended up in court for loss of earnings. It was Warren's co-promotional relationship with Johnson that stopped it.

He farted and moaned about not getting anyone to come to Wales to fight him... he should have gone to the States many a year ago but floated rumours about flying and all sorts to stop it.

Roy Jones when he was the unified 175lb champion fought Clinton Woods - but Joe couldn't muster the courage to chase the big fights. He was happy fighting cannon fodder delivered to Wales for years and years.

The fact he faced his first fellow belt holder after 12 years as champion tells me enough about his aspirations.

His boasts about being 'much better than Lennox Lewis because he was defeated' absolutely sums him for me.

Rematching chumps but anyone he was barely to beat, he swerved them like the plague. Robin Reid was ostrcised by UK boxing to fight around europe for a living. Hopkins offered to go to Wales but Joe refused.

Instead he fought a guy he claimed was shot to bits (his own words). People say ah he wanted a nest egg etc etc - that's fine, but tell me how he was a great warrior and the best this country produced because that's tosh.

His legacy is littered with bums, unknowns and little people - and excuse and excuse from him and his supporters.

Evans Ashira for example - a guy who'd never fought at Super middle before or since, a short little light middlweight who'd be destroyed in 3 only a couple of fights earlier sums him up.

People make this a Froch argument - but can you imagine Froch announcing he was fighting some pup from 154 who wasn't even a champion at his own weight - or Peter Manfredo?

You'd swallow it if Joe was just starting out, but these fights were made after he had held that trinket title for over a decade.

Truth is i used to follow Joe, but tired of his fixed fights where he would drop all the big names in interviews and fight someone absolutely unknown to everyone. Then talk about big names again.

Some of his fights you couldn't even get odds on from a bookies they were so nailed on.

But obviously i'm just a froch supporter / critic / hater aren't I and none of the above is really true is it

Brilliant summation, I agree with it all EXCEPT one little point. Hopkins priced himself out of that one, demanding double the agreed contractual fee on the day he arrived to sign it - you cannot blame Joe for that one.

The Irony is, based on when they did fight, I think Hopkins would have beaten Joe at that point, he'd have exploited the defensive frailties and drawn him into a messy brawl and won by a clear margin.

Joe was too much of a homeboy, always wanted hand picked opponents, always wanted home advantage, always moaning about not getting respect, but doing nothing to earn it.

Even his best wins over Kessler and Lacy are looking less impressive as time goes on. His performance against Hopkins was Dire, and even the ghost of Roy Jones Jr had him on his arse.

Calzaghe had plrenty of talent, but lacked the balls to provde it against the best. I have no doubt that had he fought the 10 or so fighters that were around the upper eschelons of the division that he never matched up with, he'd have had a few losses on that record he is always banging on about. He'd have also been far more respected amongst the boxing fraternity too.

tonyzvictor2 wrote:carl froch one pace boreing