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greg wrote:Ruiz is 38 years old with 8 losses, more losses than wins since 2005, KO ratio 55 %... don't see how much anticipated Hays's win could be "massively impressive" ...

Jeff Thomas wrote:

greg wrote:Ruiz is 38 years old with 8 losses, more losses than wins since 2005, KO ratio 55 %... don't see how much anticipated Hays's win could be "massively impressive" ...

He's been stopped once in 54 fights.

According to my 'scientific calculations' that is just 1.85% of his fights having ended in a KO loss. What percentile chance of stoppage do you theowise Gweg!?

greg wrote: Still "MASSIVELY impressive " is MASSIVELY exaggerated... As you get older..the chances of being KOed are much higher according to common sense...

greg wrote:Ruiz is 38 years old with 8 losses, more losses than wins since 2005, KO ratio 55 %... don't see how much anticipated Hays's win could be "massively impressive" ...

jBacca wrote:

greg wrote:Ruiz is 38 years old with 8 losses, more losses than wins since 2005, KO ratio 55 %... don't see how much anticipated Hays's win could be "massively impressive" ...

If he stops Ruiz, it would be impressive.

Go back to the Current Scene vermin.

crusader wrote:

kingfinn wrote:

crusader wrote: Would you explain why you think Haye hits harder than Tua? And I do think your comments are "ridicolous", you go on all the time about how fast Haye is, how technically proficient he is, and now you think he hits harder than Tua and is recognized as the hardest puncher in the world. If he possess all these attributes like you say he does, than he would be the perfect fighter and would not have just squeaked by the slow and plodding Valuev, or hit the canvas against Barrett, or gone through any of the struggles he has previously. If Haye is that good and punches harder than Tua, why would it take him five or six rounds to stop a fighter as limited as Ruiz?

I think your full of shitt when it comes to Haye and you do a poor job of making your points.

Im pretty sure haye is widely considered the hardest puncher in the world (87.5% ko ratio), he's also considered by almost all to be the fastest heavyweight. i was taking the piss because of your spelling of "ridicolous" you were just too dim to notice. Now to become an undisputed world cruiser weight champion and a heavyweight world champion haye has managed to do that being a weak puncher, slow, and technically inept in your opinion.

In my personal opinion the only defect haye has is his chin and thats also what makes him exciting to watch. He squeeked past valuev fighting with a broken hand, nearly knocked him out with his left and is only the second man in valuevs 50 fight career to beat him im not to sure what you expected from him.

And as to your question about why i think it would take haye 5 or 6 rounds to take out ruiz, when it took tua 1 - the answer is because tua got lucky, maybe you should watch the fight! the odds of haye knocking ruiz out in the first are crap from the bookies because theres a very good chance it will happen and they dont want to loose their money (note the predictions from posters above).

No, Haye is not widely considered to be the hardest puncher in the world, in fact you are one of the only people I have heard say that. He has certainly not proven his power at heavyweight and did not come close to knocking out Valuev. In fact Ruiz came closer to flooring the giant in their rematch than Haye did. BTW you know that Edwin Valero has a 100% KO rate?

Can you tell me where I suggest that Haye is a weak and slow puncher? Haye is a gifted fighter with speed and power, but to suggest he hits harder than Lennox Lewis or David Tua as you have is beyond nuthuggery. If Haye was really all the things you say he is he would have stopped all his opponents in three rounds or less and not have struggled with so many of them like he has.

I expected Haye to beat Valuev impressively, which he did not. Sure only one other opponent had officially beat him, but the case can be made that Holyfield, Donald, and Ruiz, did enough to defeat him like Chagaev and these are hardly great names. Surely the a great technical boxer who hits harder than anyone on the planet, and has lightening fast hand speed would not struggle so greatly with an unskilled light hitter like Valuev.

I'm not trying to suggest Haye is a bad fighter, because he is not. He is a very talented man who I think will clearly defeat Ruiz, but he is not a great fighter and no way does he hit harder than Tua, which was the only point I was originally trying to debate.

BTW, you don't usually get after someone for misspelling when you can't even use grammar or punctuation properly.

kingfinn wrote:

crusader wrote:

kingfinn wrote: Im pretty sure haye is widely considered the hardest puncher in the world (87.5% ko ratio), he's also considered by almost all to be the fastest heavyweight. i was taking the piss because of your spelling of "ridicolous" you were just too dim to notice. Now to become an undisputed world cruiser weight champion and a heavyweight world champion haye has managed to do that being a weak puncher, slow, and technically inept in your opinion.

In my personal opinion the only defect haye has is his chin and thats also what makes him exciting to watch. He squeeked past valuev fighting with a broken hand, nearly knocked him out with his left and is only the second man in valuevs 50 fight career to beat him im not to sure what you expected from him.

And as to your question about why i think it would take haye 5 or 6 rounds to take out ruiz, when it took tua 1 - the answer is because tua got lucky, maybe you should watch the fight! the odds of haye knocking ruiz out in the first are crap from the bookies because theres a very good chance it will happen and they dont want to loose their money (note the predictions from posters above).

No, Haye is not widely considered to be the hardest puncher in the world, in fact you are one of the only people I have heard say that. He has certainly not proven his power at heavyweight and did not come close to knocking out Valuev. In fact Ruiz came closer to flooring the giant in their rematch than Haye did. BTW you know that Edwin Valero has a 100% KO rate?

Can you tell me where I suggest that Haye is a weak and slow puncher? Haye is a gifted fighter with speed and power, but to suggest he hits harder than Lennox Lewis or David Tua as you have is beyond nuthuggery. If Haye was really all the things you say he is he would have stopped all his opponents in three rounds or less and not have struggled with so many of them like he has.

I expected Haye to beat Valuev impressively, which he did not. Sure only one other opponent had officially beat him, but the case can be made that Holyfield, Donald, and Ruiz, did enough to defeat him like Chagaev and these are hardly great names. Surely the a great technical boxer who hits harder than anyone on the planet, and has lightening fast hand speed would not struggle so greatly with an unskilled light hitter like Valuev.

I'm not trying to suggest Haye is a bad fighter, because he is not. He is a very talented man who I think will clearly defeat Ruiz, but he is not a great fighter and no way does he hit harder than Tua, which was the only point I was originally trying to debate.

BTW, you don't usually get after someone for misspelling when you can't even use grammar or punctuation properly.

Well i thought since you like to mention my syntax regularly i would point out you cant spell, and not even that you were too stupid to know what i was on about when i pointed it out.

Im the only person you've heard say that Haye is currently the hardest hitter in the world? well i think that says just about every now lol I can guarantee if i start a poll on here i wont be the only person who rates haye as currently being the hardest hitter in the world.

Of course there will still be people like yourself who forget Tua isnt in his 20s anymore.

Im pretty sure haye did come close to knocking down valuev - maybe you should watch the last round again.

mickey1975 wrote:Haye really doesnt hit as hard as Tua