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d wrote:Great post.

Very insightful.
I'm sure David will read your post and decide it's time to call it a day now as it's been a waste of time moving up from the Cruiser division.

Maybe he'll see the light.

Thanks.

tonyevs wrote:Up untill the Valuev contest (you notice I won`t refer to it as a fight) I was a massive David Haye fan. Sadly since then I have changed my opinion a great deal

Some of the things that made Haye such an attraction are now changed. He is now a low-output counter-puncher .. far from the exciting cruiserweight that first attracted me to him. He also seems to have adopted the pantomine baddie role to sell fights instead of the down to earth honest approach he had earlier on

I may not agree with a lot of Flints initial posts details .. but the Haye of old is alot removed from the Haye of today ... and that is a real shame. I think the old Haye style was alot better all round

chris s wrote:

FLINT ISLAND wrote:The rot has already set in for David Haye.

Below I list the reasons why.........................................


1.) He has not progressed since Crusierweight - just put on more weight - and if anything has stagnated as a fighter.

2.) Falling in love with his power - Hamed did it - now Haye is doing it - the rest of his game is being neglected

3.) Sucking up the "King David" hype the media and all the yes men glory hangers on are giving him - lets get this right
he beat a terrible champion in Valuev and is still only a paper champion.

4.) Poor stamnia and runs out of puff too easy

5.) Confidence crisis - usual super confident Haye has major doubts about himself at heavyweight - no pre fight nerves -
but the way he fights at heavyweight - he knows he is only one punch from maybe being knocked out -.

6.) Celebrity Champion - spending far too much time on things like the Jonathan Ross show and Bafata awards - still
probaly has his usual gym sessions but I bet he is not training with the same intensity.

7.) Money and comfort are now secured - it was the end of Hamed - and other fighters - it takes a real raw kind of fighter
like Bernard Hopkins to still stay hungry and moitvated despite being a millionaire several times over.

8.) Wants to get out by the time he is 31 - one eye on retirement is the wrong mentality - he should stick with boxing until
he has accomlisped his goals - whatever age that turns out to be.

9.) Shit chin - when Vitali lands its curtains.

10.) Inexperience - he simply does not know enough in a ring to beat the Klitscko brothers - is only hope is a one shot KO
But if it goes a few rounds - or even the full 12 rounds - I bet he is down heavily on all judges scorecards.

11.) Adam Booth - I give credit that Booth has great Chemistry with Haye - but does he really have the experience and
know how to take Haye to the next level as a World Heavyweight NO 1 - he needs freddie roach or something.

12.) Wife Natasha due to give birth to 2nd child soon - can make him more contented family man - and not want to put
it all on the line like before.

13.) Parties - Birds - Booze - all the tempation is there now for Haye as he is invited to every event on the Celeb circuit.
Lennox Lewis turned up fat for a few fights after all the glitzy parties and just managed to get away with it - Haye
is not so big or strong - and he will be blowing after 3 rounds and taken apart.

14.) Lack of size and stength - he simply isnt big and strong as some of these big lads.

15.) America - Golden Boy want him to fight out in Las Vegas, etc - how many British fighters have you seen come
unstuck out there ?

16.) Training camp - uprooted this fight camp from Cyprus cos he was helping with the promotion of selling the fight
in the UK - a sure sign the fighter is becoming more focused on the money / material aspect than improving as
a fighter.

Best post on here ever, brilliant wind up

Rocky Balboa wrote:Damn, if Haye is nothing but poop at HW, then wtf does that mean the rest of the division is?

Valuev was a poor champion, but nobody can't tell me that either Klitchsko is a great champion?

Wladamir & Vitali are beating guys who don't even show up in shape to give themselves the best chance of even being competitive with the Klitschko's!

Look at the state Arreola was in against Vitali, it was terrible.

Vitali was so tentative against Kevin Johnson, who was fighting backwards the whole damn fight. If your opponent is so apprehensive why not assert yourself asap & get him out of there?

People talk about Haye's chin being a big weakness & perhaps it is, but are you telling me Wladamir is not chinny? If Haye lands clean on Wladamir he will hit the deck!

Vitali is a different matter, but I still say Haye can beat both guys! As fans, we should hope, pray & wish Haye does the business because it will, to a certain degree, bring a much needed boost to the HW division. If not, then that does not bode well for the division imo.

tonyevs wrote:Up untill the Valuev contest (you notice I won`t refer to it as a fight) I was a massive David Haye fan. Sadly since then I have changed my opinion a great deal

Some of the things that made Haye such an attraction are now changed. He is now a low-output counter-puncher .. far from the exciting cruiserweight that first attracted me to him. He also seems to have adopted the pantomine baddie role to sell fights instead of the down to earth honest approach he had earlier on

I may not agree with a lot of Flints initial posts details .. but the Haye of old is alot removed from the Haye of today ... and that is a real shame. I think the old Haye style was alot better all round

Bomber 1 wrote:Jesus Christ is all i can say

FLINT ISLAND wrote:The rot has already set in for David Haye.

Below I list the reasons why.........................................


1.) He has not progressed since Crusierweight - just put on more weight - and if anything has stagnated as a fighter.

2.) Falling in love with his power - Hamed did it - now Haye is doing it - the rest of his game is being neglected

3.) Sucking up the "King David" hype the media and all the yes men glory hangers on are giving him - lets get this right
he beat a terrible champion in Valuev and is still only a paper champion.

4.) Poor stamnia and runs out of puff too easy

5.) Confidence crisis - usual super confident Haye has major doubts about himself at heavyweight - no pre fight nerves -
but the way he fights at heavyweight - he knows he is only one punch from maybe being knocked out -.

6.) Celebrity Champion - spending far too much time on things like the Jonathan Ross show and Bafata awards - still
probaly has his usual gym sessions but I bet he is not training with the same intensity.

7.) Money and comfort are now secured - it was the end of Hamed - and other fighters - it takes a real raw kind of fighter
like Bernard Hopkins to still stay hungry and moitvated despite being a millionaire several times over.

8.) Wants to get out by the time he is 31 - one eye on retirement is the wrong mentality - he should stick with boxing until
he has accomlisped his goals - whatever age that turns out to be.

9.) Shit chin - when Vitali lands its curtains.

10.) Inexperience - he simply does not know enough in a ring to beat the Klitscko brothers - is only hope is a one shot KO
But if it goes a few rounds - or even the full 12 rounds - I bet he is down heavily on all judges scorecards.

11.) Adam Booth - I give credit that Booth has great Chemistry with Haye - but does he really have the experience and
know how to take Haye to the next level as a World Heavyweight NO 1 - he needs freddie roach or something.

12.) Wife Natasha due to give birth to 2nd child soon - can make him more contented family man - and not want to put
it all on the line like before.

13.) Parties - Birds - Booze - all the tempation is there now for Haye as he is invited to every event on the Celeb circuit.
Lennox Lewis turned up fat for a few fights after all the glitzy parties and just managed to get away with it - Haye
is not so big or strong - and he will be blowing after 3 rounds and taken apart.

14.) Lack of size and stength - he simply isnt big and strong as some of these big lads.

15.) America - Golden Boy want him to fight out in Las Vegas, etc - how many British fighters have you seen come
unstuck out there ?

16.) Training camp - uprooted this fight camp from Cyprus cos he was helping with the promotion of selling the fight
in the UK - a sure sign the fighter is becoming more focused on the money / material aspect than improving as
a fighter.