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jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:The fight has to happen, although I said that last time, I half wonder if both parties pulling out of talks was staged to make the fight even bigger down the line.

Whether you like Floyd or not, I don't see what people's problem with random testing is, its a good thing for the sport and should be done for all world title bouts to protect the fighters. Random testing is the best way to catch cheats, we know most fighters get away with cheating today

Mayweather needs to get Manny in the ring, it should be an easy fight stylistically imo - a midget that likes to fight at mid range with little defense and wide open for counters = Mayweather's bread and butter

Yes, but since when does a fighter get to dictate the drug testing methods used prior to a bout?

I have my doubts about Pacquaio - but then I have my doubts about most top flight boxers. As someone else said, Floyd started around featherweight, and has fought at 154 - so what's the big deal about Pacman doing some from Super Flyweight?

big lennox wrote:I should add, that I think there is a simple repsonse to being challenged on the matter of taking drugs.That is to say, how dare you, I will take them, prove to be clean and then I want an apology for trying to smear my name, that's if I was totally clean...

MightyWarrior wrote:He still hasn't agreed to the Olympic random testing though has he, it looks very suspicious for the PacMan.

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:As for Manny's PED use, the biggest red flag for me is not taking a test, it reeks of the FloJo situation, who was also never caught and ran away from random drugs testing. Then the fact Pacquaio's lawyers asked if there was a positive test if it could be hushed up for penalty monies

Then combine that with increases in stamina/power/chin/speed, ridiculous low bodyfat levels, going from 112-147, which in fairness is only 122-150 over 13years as Manny was drained at those low weights.

Does this look natural? (I've suspected him from 126-130, but he could just have great genetics, hard training, great nutrition)

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:The fight has to happen, although I said that last time, I half wonder if both parties pulling out of talks was staged to make the fight even bigger down the line.

Whether you like Floyd or not, I don't see what people's problem with random testing is, its a good thing for the sport and should be done for all world title bouts to protect the fighters. Random testing is the best way to catch cheats, we know most fighters get away with cheating today

Mayweather needs to get Manny in the ring, it should be an easy fight stylistically imo - a midget that likes to fight at mid range with little defense and wide open for counters = Mayweather's bread and butter

Yes, but since when does a fighter get to dictate the drug testing methods used prior to a bout?

I have my doubts about Pacquaio - but then I have my doubts about most top flight boxers. As someone else said, Floyd started around featherweight, and has fought at 154 - so what's the big deal about Pacman doing some from Super Flyweight?

The boxers/promoters have always dictated terms - fight weights, gloves, ring size, ref etc etc, why not drugs testing? Manny is happy to dictate fight weights

Its not like the currupt commisions/belts are going to do whats good for the sport either - not saying Floyd is, hes doing whats best for Floyd

But as for Manny's excuses for not taking tests, I have a bridge to sell some people on here

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote: Yes, but since when does a fighter get to dictate the drug testing methods used prior to a bout?

I have my doubts about Pacquaio - but then I have my doubts about most top flight boxers. As someone else said, Floyd started around featherweight, and has fought at 154 - so what's the big deal about Pacman doing some from Super Flyweight?

The boxers/promoters have always dictated terms - fight weights, gloves, ring size, ref etc etc, why not drugs testing? Manny is happy to dictate fight weights

Its not like the currupt commisions/belts are going to do whats good for the sport either - not saying Floyd is, hes doing whats best for Floyd

But as for Manny's excuses for not taking tests, I have a bridge to sell some people on here

Because the drug testing is administrated by the local athletic commission. Ring sizes and gloves are negotiable, but they are from established ranges. What Floyd has done, is the equivalent of demanding 22 oz gloves - by totally changing the nature of the testing regime.

Manny cannot force anyone to fight him at any given weight - Oscar agreed to the weight, because he believed he could do the weight safely, and Manny had never fought above 135 but for one fight at the time.

Autobarn wrote:

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:As for Manny's PED use, the biggest red flag for me is not taking a test, it reeks of the FloJo situation, who was also never caught and ran away from random drugs testing. Then the fact Pacquaio's lawyers asked if there was a positive test if it could be hushed up for penalty monies

Then combine that with increases in stamina/power/chin/speed, ridiculous low bodyfat levels, going from 112-147, which in fairness is only 122-150 over 13years as Manny was drained at those low weights.

Does this look natural? (I've suspected him from 126-130, but he could just have great genetics, hard training, great nutrition)

i remmeber, you did suspect manny long before any of this controversy over testing started.

but as for hushing up a potential positive test, isn't that something that tim smith - a pro mayweather writer - either couldn't or wouldn't substantiate?