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silkov wrote:It is evident you are just intent on picking meaningless arguments and have no real interest (or knowledge for that matter) regarding boxing or boxers.

Silkov the shill gets emotional after being exposed.

Share your knowledge and tell us how many black fighters Dundee fought in his 330 bout, 20 year career against all the top fighters from Bantam to Lightweight?

ANNIESHRILL if you have such a problem with Johnny Dundee (who you obviously know nothing about) go and look up his record yourself you lazy bugger!. I have too many interesting things to do than waste my time arguing with you for no good reason when its obvious that you have little real interest in either Johnny Dundee or any other fighter but have some strange peculiar interest in picking an argument with me.
This is a boxing forum, not a doss house for lost football hooligans.

Silkov the shill gets emotional after the holes in his knowledge are exposed.

Tell us how many black fighters Dundee fought in his 330 bout, 20 year career against all the top fighters from Bantam to Lightweight?
Less than Jack Dempsey.

But of course the student who worships at the temple of his messiah Farhood only wishes to perpetuate the poisonous modern media mantras.

The pattern is all too blatant and obvious - trash Jack Dempsey.

Don't worry Silkov, creating multiple names for the sole purpose of attacking other posters is a big no no here. This is just another nail in his ban coffin.

addenda to the walcott/dundee moves....walcott would sometimes make the same move as described, but move to his right...dangerous because it make him vulnerable to a left hook...so the timing had to be exact.

I have a tape of a radio interview of joe louis..and if you can imagine joe's voice in your mind it's kind of funny....."that walcott...he'd move one way so i'd wait for the move and the next time he'd go the other way...then when it looked like he was going to come in an punch he'd do somethin' different and be ten feet away!"

(i like to toss in little bits of information like this ...it's a tidy little contrast to the venom that so easily gets tossed back and forth in just about every thread. alas, though, sometimes I feel as if I'm intruding.)

Annieshrill is obviously the sort of person who likes to spend long hours alone in a locked room listening to the wonderful sound of it's own voice.

silkov wrote:Annieshrill is obviously the sort of person who likes to spend long hours alone in a locked room listening to the wonderful sound of it's own voice.

When the mental midgets are challenged, they pour forth their bile.

The pattern is all too familiar.

Silkov believes this forum is his toilet.

...it's is the contraction for "it is". "Its" is the possessive..therefore an "it" would enjoy listening to "its own voice.'

You're welcome.

terap wrote:The valuable directions I posted on how to begin to learn on your own at the best resource of all

are completely passed over by the low mentailties here.

Anything of value here is lost on the trash that has currently taken over this site.

you forgot to change this one to an "a."

I agree with Lamotta haveing the best chin but theirs noway that Ali had a better chin than Chavez and Hagler NOWAY.

terap wrote:The valuable directions I posted on how to begin to learn on your own at the best resource of all

are completely passed over by the low mentailties here.

Anything of value here is lost on the trash that has currently taken over this site.

Anything of value that you post is lost in your god-complex...
You're never wrong...
You know more than anyone else...
Your opinions are to be accepted as fact...
You're filled with hatred...
Anyone disagreeing with you is a "half-wit, moron, shill", etc...
You continually 'talk down' to everyone...
You are abusive...
You have 'selective' memory...

but other than that, you're OK!

Doesnt Larry Holmes get anywhere in the greatest chins list?

Tyson KTFO 3 Times wrote:Doesnt Larry Holmes get anywhere in the greatest chins list?

I watched Renaldo Snipes drop Holmes in Pittsburgh-November 1981...
Larry would be in my top ten heavies, but after the 7th round of that fight, I couldn't give him the 'chin vote'. Still...Larry was great, really liked his style, LOVED that jab!

bennie wrote:Muhammad Ali was knocked down three times in his entire career. Jack Dempsey was floored NINE times in his 1915 drawn fight with Johnny Sudenberg alone.

Actually Ali was down FOUR times in his career- once by Sonny Banks, once by Henry Cooper, once by Joe Frazier, and once by Chuck Wepner.

And Dempsey was down 9 times in that fight because of the lack of a neutral corner rule. Sudenberg was able to keep dropping Dempsey over and over in the 1st round because he was able to whack him right back down when he had him hurt there.

And why are all of Terap's posts "a."'s now?

He's editing them out (like message board suicide) because...
WE'RE NOT WORTHY!!!

Muhammad Ali was knocked down three times in his entire career.

Make that 4 times
Sonny Banks, Fraizer, Wepner, Cooper

one of the greatest knockouts i have ever seen was Julian Jacksons KO of Herrol Graham. Graham was out cold before he began to fall to the canvas.

Oliver McCall deserves a mention for his chin both Bruno and Lewis were allowed to tee off on him unmercifully for a number of rounds and he absorbed anything that they could throw at him.

one of the best chins Ive ever seen is journyman heavyweight
marion wilson
just lok up his record and youll know why

pug

Apparently that was NOT Fleischer at ringside giving the orders at all, it was someone who looked a little like him, apparently Fleischer was still seated a row behind at the time.

Hank Kaplan at cyberboxingzone was talking about this, and there aren't really many better authorities on boxing.

Fliescher being the egotist he was, later claimed he had intervened for the good of the sport, but apparently it was the timekeeper or another official who intervened, not Fleischer.

It is a shame that Liston came in in terrible shape for that fight, but all that bollocks about Anchor punches and what have you are just that, bollocks, if ever there was a fix that was it. It is just possible that Liston chose to stay down for other reasons, but there was no way Liston was knocked out by Ali in that fight.

Holmes may not win the best chin, but by god did he have great powers of recovery, he said that when Shavers hit him, he came to as his head hit the canvas, and to think he made it uo to not only win, but stop Shavers it pretty remarkable when you think of the calibre of Shavers' power.

God, I thought this Terap guy was banned, what's he doing back? Do we really have to listen to this overopinionated dotard spewing invective like a billious jack-in-the-box?

jamesmcd...that must have been a lookalike imposter posing as kaplan..becuase if he's such an authority he's know it definitely WAS nat fleischer in the ali/liston incident. there is ample photographic evidence of this...several shots of fleischer from different angles waving at walcott....many knowing witnesses to verify this is fact. absolute fact. walcott himself who knew fleishcer well had no trouble recognizing him and told about the indicident as did many ringside reporters. no ambiguity...just as certain as that was ali and liston in the ring and walcott as referee. when and where did kaplan come up with this one? first time in all the years since the fight anyone has made this comment. no truth. nada. zero.

ALL-TIME GREATEST CHINS
1)Jake LaMotta
2)Marvin Hagler
3)Julio Cesar Chavez
4)Muhammad Ali
5)Erik Morales

I doubt it was an imposter, seeing as it was on cyberboxingzone, and he is the editor in chief of the site.

I cannot remember the details, but is was I think something along the lines of the fact that Fleischer late claimed he rang the bell or made the decision that the fight was over, when in fact he did nothing of the sort.

I don't find it hard to believe as the man was an egomaniac.

In no particular order, I'd go with Chuvalo, LaMotta, Frazier, Bonavena, Cobb, Ali, Marciano, Jeffries, Quarry, and Grim.

Due to comparative ineptness, Cobb and Grim may be showing their chins were even better than much better fighters, since they obviously were getting hit much more.

Sweet Scientist wrote:

Tyson KTFO 3 Times wrote:Doesnt Larry Holmes get anywhere in the greatest chins list?

I watched Renaldo Snipes drop Holmes in Pittsburgh-November 1981...
Larry would be in my top ten heavies, but after the 7th round of that fight, I couldn't give him the 'chin vote'. Still...Larry was great, really liked his style, LOVED that jab!

i dont think that a knockdown is a indicator of a bad chin. After all Muhammad ali and foreman both had granite chins, but where knocked down.

The fact is, that these guys got up, showed great recovery and usually went on to win is a great indicator..

Saying that however, it all depends wether you could recovery skills and ability to get up from knockdowns as a good chin. a fighters 'heart' is also connected imo.

If purely the ability to stay on there feet, than no, you are correct, larry would not get the vote from most.

Two men who I think haven't been mentioned yet who had almost frightingly tough chins are Marcos Villisana and Merqui Sosa..........wow!