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Goodnight, Irene wrote:It's a pound-for-pound punchers list. What does talent & being limited have to do with anything?

This is why I'm confused with your response:
Are you saying that they were not as good punchers as the other 38?

Because p4p I would argue that Trinidad was better puncher than Cuevas, Marquez, Brown, Corrales, and a few others on that list.

Or are you saying that for example, Cuevas was a better fighter and a better puncher than Trinidad and Bowe?

Power for power I take Trinidad (the 147 version of Trinidad) over Cuevas, Marquez, Brown, and Corrales p4p.

I breezed the list, & saw Trinidad & Bowe there. Not saying they were lesser punchers in a big way than Corrales, Marquez etc, just that those were the ones I saw.

Nothing to do with how good either were, but are they really top-forty all-time punchers, in terms of how hard they hit? Not even close to it, IMO. Not even close. I'm not sure they KO'd a single world-class fighter with one or two shots between them. I'm sure there are others on the list, too, though.

I would say that knocking out a fighter with a world class chin with one or two shots is very rare. Usually one or two punches get the other guy in trouble and then it takes a a few more to put him away. It takes a very hard puncher to do even that.
Having said that, I would not put Bowe or Trinidad in there. However, both were pretty close to being top 40.

George KO Chaney at number 4 ? He stopped a 17 yr old Kid Williams and a few fringe contenders and that get's him the number 4 spot. Tommy Hearns doesn't make it though.

This is very subjective because what do we take into consideration when selecting who is a puncher and who isn’t. Accuracy, Precision, timing, quality of opposition, power, etc...

Because I do consider Hagler to be a great puncher even though he did not have that one KO punching power. But his timing and ability to counter with timing and his accuracy/precision do make him a lethal puncher in my opinion. His quality of opposition does have to count for something too, and not to mention that he had 52 KO’s/TKO’s in 62 wins. I don’t see him being mention as a puncher but I think he deserves a mention here too.

Hagler had one punch power. He dropped guys like Vito & hamsho with single shots.

Idisagree wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:It's a pound-for-pound punchers list. What does talent & being limited have to do with anything?

This is why I'm confused with your response:
Are you saying that they were not as good punchers as the other 38?

Because p4p I would argue that Trinidad was better puncher than Cuevas, Marquez, Brown, Corrales, and a few others on that list.

Or are you saying that for example, Cuevas was a better fighter and a better puncher than Trinidad and Bowe?

Power for power I take Trinidad (the 147 version of Trinidad) over Cuevas, Marquez, Brown, and Corrales p4p.

Not much difference between 30 & 70 other than an opinion. You're selling Cuevas short though, he was a barbaric puncher.

Bowe was an A-class puncher vs C-level competition but vs the elite his power came up short (and I don't count his rubber match with Evander, a stiff breeze would've toppled the Hepatitis-plagued Evander that night). If you can't stop Golota in two fights and you are a big 6'5 heavyweight you should not be in the top 40 punchers of all time.

He hurt Holyfield several times in the first two fights against a prime Holyfield. More than Tyson and Lewis could against a past his best Holyfield. Holyfield was seldom hurt during his prime.

As bad as Bowe looked against Golota, he did manage to hurt him a few times. Golota is not the best measuring stick to rate a fighter. Sometimes he was awful. However, sometimes he came to fight and was pretty good.

Why is Bowes' competition considered so bad? He stopped Thomas, Seldon, Biggs, Hide. They certainly weren't legends but they were better than C-level competition.
Lewis and Tyson didn't stop anyone that was that much better.