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Yes Big Lennox, the 100 plus Kgs of Toney did do well against the 76kgs of Greeny, Toney almost held his own. Although the shots Green was landing together with the smile on Greeny's face did cause the big man to get a little embarressed and call for his trainier to get his gun from the car - what a wanka

A number of things:

1) Sheffield is a very lively, attractive city close to the Peak District and not the industrial wasteland you think it is.
2) I live in London, one of the great cultural cities of the world
3) Presumably you are from Perth a.k.a social siberia
4) I boxed for many years, retiring a few years ago, and I can tell you a fat, out of shape toney, was playing with green and pulling his punches, because he could.I dread to think what kind of beat down Toney would have given him in a real fight, when he is in shape, even in his middleweight days
5) Green got beat by Marcus Beyer for heavens sake
6) He never boxed Calzaghe, Ottke, Kessler, Hopkins, Jones (when he was good), Tarver, Dawson,Darius Michalewski.Any of the top guys.So that's Green's legacy.Avoided the entire crop of top guys of his era, and then occassionally ventured into semi decent class i.e.Mundine and Beyer, and got licked for his troubles.No wonder he is digging up the remains of fighters.And you support him.Brilliant.You are obviously a very bright, highly intelligent individual.
7) Lastly, how's your cricket team doing?

big lennox wrote:A number of things:

1) Sheffield is a very lively, attractive city close to the Peak District and not the industrial wasteland you think it is.
2) I live in London, one of the great cultural cities of the world
3) Presumably you are from Perth a.k.a social siberia
4) I boxed for many years, retiring a few years ago, and I can tell you a fat, out of shape toney, was playing with green and pulling his punches, because he could.I dread to think what kind of beat down Toney would have given him in a real fight, when he is in shape, even in his middleweight days
5) Green got beat by Marcus Beyer for heavens sake
6) He never boxed Calzaghe, Ottke, Kessler, Hopkins, Jones (when he was good), Tarver, Dawson,Darius Michalewski.Any of the top guys.So that's Green's legacy.Avoided the entire crop of top guys of his era, and then occassionally ventured into semi decent class i.e.Mundine and Beyer, and got licked for his troubles.No wonder he is digging up the remains of fighters.And you support him.Brilliant.You are obviously a very bright, highly intelligent individual.
7) Lastly, how's your cricket team doing?

I take offence at that comment. Perth may be boring but walk down the street on any given day and view all the fine Woman. Its enough to make this boring little town the best place on earth to live

ben k wrote:

big lennox wrote:A number of things:

1) Sheffield is a very lively, attractive city close to the Peak District and not the industrial wasteland you think it is.
2) I live in London, one of the great cultural cities of the world
3) Presumably you are from Perth a.k.a social siberia
4) I boxed for many years, retiring a few years ago, and I can tell you a fat, out of shape toney, was playing with green and pulling his punches, because he could.I dread to think what kind of beat down Toney would have given him in a real fight, when he is in shape, even in his middleweight days
5) Green got beat by Marcus Beyer for heavens sake
6) He never boxed Calzaghe, Ottke, Kessler, Hopkins, Jones (when he was good), Tarver, Dawson,Darius Michalewski.Any of the top guys.So that's Green's legacy.Avoided the entire crop of top guys of his era, and then occassionally ventured into semi decent class i.e.Mundine and Beyer, and got licked for his troubles.No wonder he is digging up the remains of fighters.And you support him.Brilliant.You are obviously a very bright, highly intelligent individual.
7) Lastly, how's your cricket team doing?

I take offence at that comment. Perth may be boring but walk down the street on any given day and view all the fine Woman. Its enough to make this boring little town the best place on earth to live

Apologies.It was a cheap shot. I actually really like Perth.It has a real sense of identity and some lovely beaches like Cottesloe, and yep, the woman are spectacular there!!

I think at the moment, some people are overrating Green, but even more are underrating him. These seem to be the two schools of thought:

1. Danny Green is a huge puncher with an iron chin, that's why no one is lasting against him and why none of the top fighters want a piece of him. He knocked out Paul Briggs with a jab FFS, and no one has stopped Roy Jones (who was a 6-1 favourite) anything like that quickly before, or Manny Siaca for that matter. His losses to Beyer and Mundine count for nothing because he was weight drained. At this heavier weight his speed, power and athleticism have improved and he is a whole new fighter. No one below heavyweight would last the distance against him.

2. Danny Green is not and has never been a world class fighter. His power is overrated because he's only fought weak chinned fighters and old men. Ever time he has stepped up he has lost (Beyer and Mundine). He is robotic, has poor defense and his chin has never really been tested. Green currently preys on old and inactive fighters and would not stand a chance against the best of the LHW or CW divisions.

Obviously the truth lies somewhere in between. Personally I think that point 1 is slightly closer to the truth, which is why it is frustrating that Green is chasing fame and fortune over meaningful matchups. Hopefully the Briggs farce will have been the wakeup call he needs to either cut the weight and take on the top light heavyweights (unlikely IMO) or cut the "Dannyweight" crap and take on the top cruiserweights.

big lennox wrote:A number of things:

1) Sheffield is a very lively, attractive city close to the Peak District and not the industrial wasteland you think it is.
2) I live in London, one of the great cultural cities of the world
3) Presumably you are from Perth a.k.a social siberia
4) I boxed for many years, retiring a few years ago, and I can tell you a fat, out of shape toney, was playing with green and pulling his punches, because he could.I dread to think what kind of beat down Toney would have given him in a real fight, when he is in shape, even in his middleweight days
5) Green got beat by Marcus Beyer for heavens sake
6) He never boxed Calzaghe, Ottke, Kessler, Hopkins, Jones (when he was good), Tarver, Dawson,Darius Michalewski.Any of the top guys.So that's Green's legacy.Avoided the entire crop of top guys of his era, and then occassionally ventured into semi decent class i.e.Mundine and Beyer, and got licked for his troubles.No wonder he is digging up the remains of fighters.And you support him.Brilliant.You are obviously a very bright, highly intelligent individual.
7) Lastly, how's your cricket team doing?

My respones:

1) Never been there, no comment.
2) I'd personally rather live in Perth than London, but having been there a few times, London is an amazing city and I want to go there again.
3) Yep, we are pretty isolated, but the world is getting smaller and we do have a pretty high standard of living here.
4) While certainly fat, when Toney sparred with Green he was on steroids and weighed around 230lb, compared to Green who was perhaps 175lb. In a real fight, Toney, being a very slick boxer with a great chin, would be a stylistic nightmare for Green and would have beaten him handily at any weight. With a 55b weight disadvantage, Green did a lot better than most SMW boxers would have. Also keep in mind that the sparring session took place in 2004 - Green had recently suffered severe dehydration against Sean Sullivan, and Toney was coming off a win over Evander Holyfield.
5) Green was beating Beyer in their first fight before being somewhat controversially disqualified. He was narrowly outpointed in their rematch, Beyer giving the performance of his life and Green fighting a poor fight. Mundine truly thrash ed Green, who by now, it was clear, was fighting below his natural weight. Really, Danny Green should never have been a super middleweight, and mostly fought there because it was the same division as Mundine, who was Green's ticket to fame.
6) Of the fighters you mentioned, Green has only turned down a fight against Ottke. He did not avoid the top fighters of his era, he simply never earned the right to fight them in their primes.
7) Don't remind me :)

big lennox wrote:A number of things:

1) Sheffield is a very lively, attractive city close to the Peak District and not the industrial wasteland you think it is.
2) I live in London, one of the great cultural cities of the world

7) Lastly, how's your cricket team doing?

I am from Sydney. Any city in Australia ( even Melbourne) is better than anywhere in the cold dump of a country you live in.

Who cares about cricket?

oh dear brute. england is just a cold dump hey. i have a feeling that i am dealing with a nationalist . an inbred, tumbleweed hick if you will.nonetheless, my point remains the same. green is a bottom feader and has no interest in meeting anyone with a pulse.same as mundine and you are the type of chump that watches it.

Who should we follow Lennox...Khan, Mitchell or Haye? cause they fighting the absolute best at the moment aren't they????

Being serious though it's deserving the flack that Danny's copped, he's bought this on himself, he had/has an opportunity to capitalize on some publicity outside of Australia, to expand if you will the Green machine empire, he's still harping on about Mundine, when he's got the chance to do what Mundine hasn't, bring the best in his division here and flogg em. there's still time and time will tell, whether he want's to go down as a joke, or down as 1 of the best from here. I'm hoping the latter.

Green vs Bika!!

iron rhino wrote:Green vs Bika!!

That's what I have been thinking about.

How easily does Green make 175 nowadays? I didn't start following his career until recently. Was it difficulty making weight that resulted in him fighting at CW, or was it a supposed 'lack of options' at LHW?

crusader wrote:

iron rhino wrote:Green vs Bika!!

That's what I have been thinking about.

How easily does Green make 175 nowadays? I didn't start following his career until recently. Was it difficulty making weight that resulted in him fighting at CW, or was it a supposed 'lack of options' at LHW?

He was willing to get down for the weight at 175 for Mundine 2.

The Dannyweight 80-84kgs seems to be his comfort weight, his most comfortable weight in his career. I think Dannys objective is to bring the big fights to Australia to bring Boxing back into the spot light, and a lot of the LT Heavys wouldn't come down under, and in fairness to these blokes Danny was probably a little reluctant to stray from his objective. Who knows mate, Lt Heavy could still be on the cards.

crusader wrote:

iron rhino wrote:Green vs Bika!!

That's what I have been thinking about.

How easily does Green make 175 nowadays? I didn't start following his career until recently. Was it difficulty making weight that resulted in him fighting at CW, or was it a supposed 'lack of options' at LHW?

a great matchup, my moneys on bika, IF it comes off. all the best

big lennox wrote:oh dear brute. england is just a cold dump hey. i have a feeling that i am dealing with a nationalist . an inbred, tumbleweed hick if you will.nonetheless, my point remains the same. green is a bottom feader and has no interest in meeting anyone with a pulse.same as mundine and you are the type of chump that watches it.

I get the impression you cut women's hair for a living. Shame you never learned to spell before you went to hairdresser's college. Australia is doing better per capita than any other G20 country economically. England just elected a government of two parties who can't stand each other.

There is nothing wrong with being proud of your country. Shame you have nothing to be proud of.

lets be honest brute, sydney is a poor mans melbourne, let alone london,which is one of the most lively and culturaly important cities in the world.also in australia, once your sporting days are over, there ìs not much going on.anyways you are clearly an idiot, and there is no point arguing with an idiot as they will drag you down to their level and beat you on experience. lastly, who is your queen? one could argue that we are still your colonial masters.that is all.

big lennox wrote:lets be honest brute, sydney is a poor mans melbourne, let alone london,which is one of the most lively and culturaly important cities in the world.also in australia, once your sporting days are over, there ìs not much going on.anyways you are clearly an idiot, and there is no point arguing with an idiot as they will drag you down to their level and beat you on experience. lastly, who is your queen? one could argue that we are still your colonial masters.that is all.

I voted for the republic. London has seen better days, your nation currently has nearly 8% unemployment, compared to 5.2% in Australia. Australia is on track to have the budget back in surplus by 2013 while the rest of the G20 countries hope to halve their budget deficits by then. In the recent recession we only had one quarter of negative growth. for the 53rd largest country on earth to have the 13th biggest economy is good going. Europe is all going the way of Greece and Spain.

You may not think arguing with an idiot is much fun, but you are one idiot I have had a lot of fun with.

brute,the fact that you can revel in other country's economic downturns is very revealing.you have clearly lifted some info from a financial paper,claimed it as your own,and used it as a reason to think one country is better than another one.this ìs most telling of all.a limited outlook.i pity you actually.

Who is revelling? I am only telling the truth. Can't you stand it? Every dog has his day and the English bulldog has had his.

By the way, did Lennox Lewis take a dive against Oliver McCall?