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crusader wrote:I think DLH takes more risks than allegedly, but they don't seem to be paying off. The majority of Jacob's career has been spent stopping overweight Mexicans in a few rounds. Golden Boy really must have thought Pirog was bad to let Jacobs fight him, because Jacobs was not ready for a world class opponent. I'm not just saying that in hindsight. Jacobs looked poor against Walker, Smith, and Walton (his three best opponents prior to last night) and Walker and Walton are pretty bad.

Jacobs needed a couple more fights against decent opponents. He had gone ten rounds once in his career and never faced someone with decent pop. He still had room to improve. Pirog was not a big name, he did not have an amazing amateur career, and was not backed by a huge promoter or company like HBO, but look at his record. He came up the right way. He got the experience and was fully prepared for this fight.

i think schaeffer said they hadn't planned to put jacobs in this early, but they did it because the title was vacated (martinez wasn't allowed to keep multiple titles, stupidly) and became available.

regardless, pirog was a fellow prospect, in a similar boat to jacobs, probably without the connections and opportunities of the american.

don't think it matters about the scoring. only 4 rounds were completed and pirog a) wobbled and then b) destroyed jacobs.

pirog usually throws loads of shots, but i liked it that he focused more on quality and accuracy this time. still think jacobs was shoeshining, looking like he was trying to bide time or keep a tank off him.

Pirog looked huge, some awkward footwork when he tries to switch or close distance quickly but he was tough, faster than he looked and had plenty of appetite for a fight too.

I think he'd get to Barker and possibly be too crisp for Macklin too. He was a good fighter, however, Jacobs was vulnerable and ill-prepared.

He had nothing to offer. GBP should be ashamed of how ill-equipped he was for an aggressive opponent.

Bomber 1 wrote:Golovkin is the pick for me.. Top class..

Pirog Vs Macklin is a great match and I see it being made if he comes through the Barker fight..

Mate I wouldn't write that n'dam off just yet! When golovkin smashes nunez I think he fights n'dam for the full title. Mate the kid has everything speed,agility,and he can punch too! I think golovkin is class to but I think that n'dam will be to slick and clever.

terrdilk wrote:

Bomber 1 wrote:Golovkin is the pick for me.. Top class..

Pirog Vs Macklin is a great match and I see it being made if he comes through the Barker fight..

Mate I wouldn't write that n'dam off just yet! When golovkin smashes nunez I think he fights n'dam for the full title. Mate the kid has everything speed,agility,and he can punch too! I think golovkin is class to but I think that n'dam will be to slick and clever.

Yeah i agree Carl,Golovkin obviously was a brilliant amateur who had wins over Andy lee,korobov,dirrell and even a ko victory over Bute but whenever i have watched fights of Golovkin he's very patient and not particularily fast although he has alot of power and very good accuracy.Anyway i just have the feeling that Golovkin could be outhustled and outworked and N'dam is very quick and moves alot and i think he'd give golovkin problems!

so, a couple of weeks after andy lee's astonishing bottom of the bill showing in america (just having a laugh), after stealing the thunder of even dmitry pirog's WBO title KO of danny jacobs, we have another interesting middleweight fight on the weekend.

gennady golovkin is fighting for the WBA middleweight title in mexico. ok, the WBA regular title.

golovkin was considered a better prospect than pirog, but many wonder whether he went soft fighting for universum. golovkin left universum, saying they didn't have a plan for him, wouldn't let him near zbik and sturm, and were ridiculously holding the back.

have to wonder whether golovkin was too good fro universum. in this i mean someone who could dump them and go on to better things after winning a championship. whereas a zbik would need universum for the protection they can afford a fighter.

Thing is, Golovkin has that KO win over bute in the amateurs and had racked up wins against Dirrel etc etc.

But why aren't the likes of Dibella, Shaw, Warren , GBP or Top Rank busting their balls to sign him ?

Perhaps they dont see what it takes to cut it as a professional in him. Alexander Alexeev was a glittering amateur and he's been exposed as a professional.

Like Solis beat Haye in the amateur finals... nobody cares for him, nor tips him for greatness. They think he is a fat SOB nowadays.

Professional boxing is littered with fighters like Cotto, who got soundly thrashed by Kelson Pinto and Muhammed Abduhaev in the amateurs, but he smashed the shiit outta them as a pro.

An olympic gold is a huge thing for the media and from a promotional angle. But top amateur pedigree does not always seemingly translate into top professional pedigree.

David Reid is the perfect example.

i just think it's great that both are progressing.

i recall a year or two back, both had seemingly secured a quality import/decent name, only for the opponent to suddenly have visa problems or injuries and let them down.

if golovkin delivers this weekend, then both have really come on.

good point about the ama/pro stuff. pirog is definitely a natural pro. i think golovkin's amateur success will translate to the pros, as did kostya tszyu. golovkin appears to have a true pro style, applies good pressure and throws short punches, and has a fluid rhythm. he looks like the kind of guy that can increase the pressure and get good fighters out of there mid/late in fights.

regardless, he will have the motivation in the WBA regular title shot - something like that could bring his best out, if he hasn't already been showing it. nunoz is an unknown quantity, probably is no danny jacobs (who showed some speed and body punching vs pirog, until the american was blasted out), but golovkin strikes me as the kind of fighter who can take his time, have a look at the opponent, and do what he needs to do.

G0mez wrote:Thing is, Golovkin has that KO win over bute in the amateurs and had racked up wins against Dirrel etc etc.

But why aren't the likes of Dibella, Shaw, Warren , GBP or Top Rank busting their balls to sign him ?

Perhaps they dont see what it takes to cut it as a professional in him. Alexander Alexeev was a glittering amateur and he's been exposed as a professional.

Like Solis beat Haye in the amateur finals... nobody cares for him, nor tips him for greatness. They think he is a fat SOB nowadays.

Professional boxing is littered with fighters like Cotto, who got soundly thrashed by Kelson Pinto and Muhammed Abduhaev in the amateurs, but he smashed the shiit outta them as a pro.

An olympic gold is a huge thing for the media and from a promotional angle. But top amateur pedigree does not always seemingly translate into top professional pedigree.

David Reid is the perfect example.

Yes to a point, but Cotto was still a very sound amateur in his own right.

With alot of these amateurs there is the warning signs BEFORE they turn pro that something is a miss. David Reid for example got off the canvas to win the gold medal. It showed that he could be hit, and he could be hurt.

Amir Khan another, Audley Harrison looked poor in many of his Olympic fights very lucky to win through his opening bout.... VERY lucky.