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xXHAMMERXx wrote:

stujones wrote:Craig Watson above John O Donnell is a bit baffling.

No Lenny Daws yet?

So is matthew hatton witch Watson beat

Hatton's loss to Watson was over two years ago. Since then he has beaten better opposition than Watson has.

I can't keep Hatton below Watson just because he lost to him a couple of years ago, and I can't keep Watson below O'Donnell because of his very close points loss over a year ago. Things have moved on since then. I still keep those results in mind, but they are not the be all and end all.

What's Watson done so great though????? Please don't tell me cause of that Commonwealth bauble he won at Light Middle.

O Donnell's defences were more meaningful than that.

I didn't dispute your reasoning for Hatton above Watson.....

What about Lenny Daws, how close is he.... not many British champions not in the list.

alexpaterson wrote:I would have Simpson higher after his good run of form, Rhodes higher than Macklin and I would still have Appelby in even though he lost to Lindsay . As always a good list

Simpson hasn't fought this year, so I think his position is fair, considering the other good fighters at the bottom of the list. If he beats Smith then he will move up quite a bit.

I consider Macklin's recent opposition to be slightly better than Rhodes', and I think he has looked better beating them than Rhodes has in his fights. They both fight in September so I will get a chance to change things then.

No way should Appleby still be in the top 30. He hasn't fought for over a year and he lost his last fight by K.O. He is a good fighter though, if he beats someone like Sykes or Burns in his next few fights then he will be very likely to re-enter.

Dioufy wrote:Excellent list, Horse.

stujones wrote:What's Watson done so great though????? Please don't tell me cause of that Commonwealth bauble he won at Light Middle.

O Donnell's defences were more meaningful than that.

I didn't dispute your reasoning for Hatton above Watson.....

What about Lenny Daws, how close is he.... not many British champions not in the list.

Watson has had 6 wins since the o donnell fight witch I though Watson has won look at him record he has boxed some good fighters an stopped his last 4 opponents

yid14 wrote:About 20 places lower! Cheers for the reply..

Fraudley deserves to be a bit lower after ducking Dimitrenko.

Horse wrote:1. (1.) David Haye
2. (2.) Amir Khan
3. (3.) Ricky Hatton
4. (4.) Carl Froch
5. (5.) Rendall Munroe
6. (6.) Matthew Macklin
7. (7.) Ryan Rhodes
8. (8.) Nathan Cleverly
9. (9.) John Murray
10. (18.) Matthew Hatton

11. (10.) Kevin Mitchell
12. (11.) Kell Brook
13. (12.) Junior Witter
14. (13.) Bernard Dunne (Irish)
15. (17.) Jamie McDonnell
16. (14.) Martin Lindsay (Irish)
17. (15.) Paul McCloskey (Irish)
18. (16.) Darren Barker
19. (19.) Enzo Maccarinelli
20. (20.) Audley Harrison

21. (21.) Nicky Cook
22. (22.) Brian Magee (Irish)
23. (23.) Jason Booth
24. (24.) Ajose Olusegun
25. (25.) Andy Lee (Irish)
26. (26.) Ola Afolabi
27. (27.) John Duddy (Irish)
28. (28.) Craig Watson
29. (29.) John Simpson
30. (30.) Sam Sexton

Froch should be higher than khan has he has fought much better opposition!

G0mez wrote:Why is Khan at number 2?

who has he fought that is mustard ?

Malignaggi lost 2 of his previous 4 fights and prior to that, nobody in particular.

Malignaggi's losses were against Ricky Hatton and Juan Diaz who are World class fighters. Malignaggi was a top 10 ranked fighter who had beaten Juan Diaz in his previous fight. I thought Khan's win against Malignaggi was enough to put him above Hatton who had been inactive.

In putting Khan above Hatton I also had to put him above Froch who was below Hatton. Froch should probably be above Khan, but I thought it was better to have Khan move to No. 2 above Hatton rather than stay at No. 4 below Froch.

G0mez wrote:Matthew Hatton is waaay to high and is ahead of every Welter in the UK according to that list, even the likes of Watson. He has been beaten several times, suffered draws in recent fights and was dropped. John O'Donnell aint even on the list, who edged Watson, who dominated Hatton.

Hatton has recent wins over Branco and Nuzhnenko, which is better than any other British Welterweight's recent victories. O'Donnell's only good Career win is his win over Watson, which was a narrow points win. I think Hatton deserves to be considered the No. 1 British Welterweight after his recent wins.

G0mez wrote:Wheras Darren Barker is unbeaten and regarded as up there at the top of his peers in Britain.

Do you think Barker should be higher?

Counter-puncher wrote:good points alex. i wouldn't personally have the patience to do what horse does so fair play to him.

Lenny Daws?

stujones wrote:What's Watson done so great though????? Please don't tell me cause of that Commonwealth bauble he won at Light Middle.

O Donnell's defences were more meaningful than that.

O'Donnell has not made a defence of a title. Since O'Donnell fought Watson: O'Donnell has beaten Glover and Balogh & Watson has beaten Scriven, Mensaria, Jones, Lusambya and Okine.

I think beating Jones or Lusambya is better than beating Glover. O'Donnell's record is not very impressive and I don't feel he deserves a place on the list.

stujones wrote:I didn't dispute your reasoning for Hatton above Watson.....

What about Lenny Daws, how close is he.... not many British champions not in the list.

Most reigning British champions are outside of the top 30. There are 5 British champions in the top 30 and 9 British champions outside the rankings.

However, Daws is one of only two British champion that has made two British title defences, in his current reign as champion, that is outside of the top 30 (Norton is the other).

If Daws had beaten Cook instead of drawn with him, then he would probably have entered the list this month. Only just keeping his title against Cook, who was a fairly low ranked British fighter, meant that I didn't feel Daws deserved to enter the rankings after his more recent win against Williams.

Horse wrote:

yid14 wrote:Audley Harrison at 20 - not even his mum would have him that high!!!

Harrison won the European title, so I though he should have a place on the list for that. I admit that I enterted him too high and he should be a few places lower.

Horse your honesty is refreshing;

Axe wrote:Fraudley deserves to be a bit lower after ducking Dimitrenko.

Has Harrison ducked Dimitrenko?

If Harrison can get a shot at Haye then I think not fighting Dimitrenko can be forgiven.

lefty wrote:Froch should be higher than khan has he has fought much better opposition!

If Froch beats Abraham in his next fight then he will most likely overtake Khan.

dont laugh but i think harrison should be higher up and witter.

WorldsGreatest wrote:Audley Harrison is a top 5 Brit P4P fighter at the very least.

I strongly disagree.

dutchie wrote:

Horse wrote:Harrison won the European title, so I though he should have a place on the list for that. I admit that I enterted him too high and he should be a few places lower.

Horse your honesty is refreshing;

Horse wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:good points alex. i wouldn't personally have the patience to do what horse does so fair play to him.

i'm sure its been said before, its a lot easier to pick holes in a list like this than it is to make one

kingfinn wrote:dont laugh but i think harrison should be higher up and witter.

Based on achievements I don't think Harrison can be any higher at the moment.

Witter has not had a fight in the last year and hasn't won a fight in almost 21 months. Witter might be making a comeback on the Froch undercard. When he fights again I can move him up the rankings.

Counter-puncher wrote:i'm sure its been said before, its a lot easier to pick holes in a list like this than it is to make one

I believe so.

I appreciate the feedback I get though, negative or positive.

Horse wrote:

kingfinn wrote:dont laugh but i think harrison should be higher up and witter.

Based on achievements I don't think Harrison can be any higher at the moment.

Witter has not had a fight in the last year and hasn't won a fight in almost 21 months. Witter might be making a comeback on the Froch undercard. When he fights again I can move him up the rankings.

Yeah i think Harrison higher simply for winning the ebu title and being on a winning streak and witter higher for his achievements and losses only to top level opponents BUT i can completely see why you've put them where they are.

I've yet to see a list where i havent thought u had a sensible ranking for the fighters.

macklin at 6 darren barker at 18.....ur having a laugh barkers unbeaten!!!!!

kingfinn wrote:Yeah i think Harrison higher simply for winning the ebu title and being on a winning streak and witter higher for his achievements and losses only to top level opponents BUT i can completely see why you've put them where they are.

I've yet to see a list where i havent thought u had a sensible ranking for the fighters.

Thank you, kingfinn.

bigh wrote:macklin at 6 darren barker at 18.....ur having a laugh barkers unbeaten!!!!!

Enjoy explaining this one, Horse. It's a toughie