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righthook wrote:farnell is not only one of the best trainers in manchester but also one of the best trainers in the whole of the uk.

i have seen many trainers over the years and i rate arnie as 1 of the very best.

when he was a pro he was the sort of fighter who would go in all guns blazing and not really have a boxing plan, more of a brawler than a boxer, but as a trainer he is the complete opposite. he works all aspects of the game, especially defense and game plans.

he has a great stable at the min and certainly has some possible future world champs, with names like gavin, bellew, hall, heffron, and buttler all in the gym helping each other out, there is no reason why arnie cant have a number of successful champions.

i know for a fact that frankie gavin and tony bellew could have went with almost any trainer they wanted but after spending just a day in arnies gym and seeing what farnell has to offer, they chose him and i believe that speaks volumes for arnies ability as a trainer.

Arnie only trains f w boxers only i am led to belive

Its impossible to say who is the best trainer in the UK- all are good at different things for different reasons. I've spent time with lots of different trainers and their grasp of the fundamentals is often very, very similar.

Training and a persons responses to it is a very complex topic- impossible to cover in a few paragraphs. A great trainer must be loyal and trustworthy to their fighters. They must have great knowledge of the body and how it adapts to different types of training. They must be able to read a fight well and communicate their strategies effectively to a fighter. They must have a fine understanding of the hows and whys of the fundamentals.

I think that a really, really great trainer must be able to pick up a fighter at any stage of their career and improve them. I also think that given the raw materials- they should be able to create a boxer.

I'll give you an example if a championship class amateur fighter who has been well schooled by a good amateur coach turns pro- he should be more then capable of reaching top domestic class. He should be far too good for the journeyman and novice pro's. If the championship amateur is getting worse and worse every time he performs there is clearly a problem.

How many pro trainers have taken a fighter from the beginning to championship class. Not many i'd imagine. I know Joe Gallagher has taken the Murrays to great heights and I think that is testimony to his abilities- likewise the Ingles do it time and time again.

Who is the best trainer is an impossible question to answer.

Its immeasurable.

Jeff Thomas wrote:Its immeasurable.

We are entitled to our opinions and thus I will carry on giving them - You state its immeasurable - I look at someone like Brendan Ingle and there is very clear evidence there to state how good he is in comparison to other trainers who people claim are good.

Jeff Thomas wrote:Its impossible to say who is the best trainer in the UK- all are good at different things for different reasons. I've spent time with lots of different trainers and their grasp of the fundamentals is often very, very similar.

Training and a persons responses to it is a very complex topic- impossible to cover in a few paragraphs. A great trainer must be loyal and trustworthy to their fighters. They must have great knowledge of the body and how it adapts to different types of training. They must be able to read a fight well and communicate their strategies effectively to a fighter. They must have a fine understanding of the hows and whys of the fundamentals.

I think that a really, really great trainer must be able to pick up a fighter at any stage of their career and improve them. I also think that given the raw materials- they should be able to create a boxer.

I'll give you an example if a championship class amateur fighter who has been well schooled by a good amateur coach turns pro- he should be more then capable of reaching top domestic class. He should be far too good for the journeyman and novice pro's. If the championship amateur is getting worse and worse every time he performs there is clearly a problem.

How many pro trainers have taken a fighter from the beginning to championship class. Not many i'd imagine. I know Joe Gallagher has taken the Murrays to great heights and I think that is testimony to his abilities- likewise the Ingles do it time and time again.

Who is the best trainer is an impossible question to answer.

Its immeasurable.

Sounds like a boxer i have been reading so much about on Boxrec

Spud wrote:

Jeff Thomas wrote:Its immeasurable.

We are entitled to our opinions and thus I will carry on giving them - You state its immeasurable - I look at someone like Brendan Ingle and there is very clear evidence there to state how good he is in comparison to other trainers who people claim are good.

What if those same fighters went to Billy Graham, what if they went to Freddie Roach, what if they went to Howard Rainey?And so on. Its immeasurable because there is no defining factor to judge trainers by. You could have a kid who is a terrible boxer but training him to be competitive with champions is a great achievement- equal to getting a top talent to a world title. Its immeasurable because people will judge the greatness of a trainer by different criterea.

Who is the best trainer is not the same as which trainer has trained the most world champions, or is it?

FIGHTFANs wrote:

Jeff Thomas wrote:Its impossible to say who is the best trainer in the UK- all are good at different things for different reasons. I've spent time with lots of different trainers and their grasp of the fundamentals is often very, very similar.

Training and a persons responses to it is a very complex topic- impossible to cover in a few paragraphs. A great trainer must be loyal and trustworthy to their fighters. They must have great knowledge of the body and how it adapts to different types of training. They must be able to read a fight well and communicate their strategies effectively to a fighter. They must have a fine understanding of the hows and whys of the fundamentals.

I think that a really, really great trainer must be able to pick up a fighter at any stage of their career and improve them. I also think that given the raw materials- they should be able to create a boxer.

I'll give you an example if a championship class amateur fighter who has been well schooled by a good amateur coach turns pro- he should be more then capable of reaching top domestic class. He should be far too good for the journeyman and novice pro's. If the championship amateur is getting worse and worse every time he performs there is clearly a problem.

How many pro trainers have taken a fighter from the beginning to championship class. Not many i'd imagine. I know Joe Gallagher has taken the Murrays to great heights and I think that is testimony to his abilities- likewise the Ingles do it time and time again.

Who is the best trainer is an impossible question to answer.

Its immeasurable.

Sounds like a boxer i have been reading so much about on Boxrec

Nah its a generic scenario and has happened
many many times over the years.

jimmy tibbs has forgotten more then what the others know.

farnell's got the best prospect's, but hasnt made any, has he???

I think we've got loads of top trainers in this country, Beard is superb in my opinion, Bob Shannon has done a great job with the likes of Hatton and Vassell, Arnie Farnell was a quality fighter and he's a great trainer as well, I think Matty Hall is going to be really strong now he's moved to Arnie's gym and the likes of Tony Sims and the guys at the TKO in London really get their fighters in great shape.

I think it's all about fighters finding trainers that work for them, there's plenty to choose from but in Fury's case, I think he needs to settle down now. He's been working with different guys and that can help you but there's plenty of trainers in Manchester that he could go and work with. I think if he was to change promoter that would help him.

hurlock wrote:jimmy tibbs has forgotten more then what the others know.

farnell's got the best prospect's, but hasnt made any, has he???

Give Farnell time and i'm sure he will make his own, the lad is surrounded by good fighters and was schooled by Brian Hughes and trained with Billy Graham too. I've seen some of the stuff they do on video's and the training looks really well rounded.

They have Stephen Bell down there too, he has a ton of top amateur experience. Plus all that sparring, its a can't miss gym really- and his connection with Al edgedly will allow him the pick of all FWP signings.

Fair play to him, he worked hard as a fighter and deserves every piece of success he gets, plus by been studious and continuing to look for new things that tells me he wants to be the best at what he does.

I'm mates with Arnie on youtube and their always favouriting new exercises - wrapping hand techniques stuff like that, thats what will make him a top trainer in years to come. Not arse kissing- he's yet to prove himself as a top trainer for me- and anyone who says he has needs to seperate appreciation of him as a poster to plaudits as a trainer (the fighters he's worked with aside, of course), but i'm sure he will do. Just by the way they go about things.

Right now the most successful are indisputably the Ingles, followed closely by Tibbs and Hughes.

Howard Raineys knowledge of the body and experience cannot be overlooked either, nor can Adam Booths or Kevin Maree's. Then you've got the likes of Bob Shannon, Jonny Eames, Joe Gallagher. Rendall Munroes trainers the shinfields- woodhall, Mckracken, Enzo Calzaghe. Billy Nelson up in Scotland.

There's loads.... Believe me I want to be there one day. This isn't even including the amateur coaches who train people from scratch- a far bigger job.

joe gallagher, he has bought 2 kids john and joe murray from novice ams to european champion and one of the the top prospects in britain, very well respected trainer joe

You'll see an influx of new trainers into the pro game over the next few years. The new pro-am licences will mean a lot of fighters keeping their amateur trainers when they turn over.

Wake up call wrote:

kingfinn wrote:Bob shannon - fitness is half the fight and that guy goes for military style fitness. He's done great work with Matt Hatton.

Am I the only one one who can see that Matthew Hatton's improvement of late is more to do with the work he has done with Lee Beard than Bob Shannon. .

out of interest, how can you see this?

Counter-puncher wrote:

Wake up call wrote:

kingfinn wrote:Bob shannon - fitness is half the fight and that guy goes for military style fitness. He's done great work with Matt Hatton.

Am I the only one one who can see that Matthew Hatton's improvement of late is more to do with the work he has done with Lee Beard than Bob Shannon. .

out of interest, how can you see this?

Super Goggles.

Counter-puncher wrote:

Wake up call wrote:

kingfinn wrote:Bob shannon - fitness is half the fight and that guy goes for military style fitness. He's done great work with Matt Hatton.

Am I the only one one who can see that Matthew Hatton's improvement of late is more to do with the work he has done with Lee Beard than Bob Shannon. .

out of interest, how can you see this?

I saw Matt in the gym with Lee just after he left Billy Graham and then again earlier this year - it was actually the week before they split - and the difference was immense. Under Lee, Matt went from the standard he showed against Craig Watson under Graham to beating the likes of Bami and Tackie and was robbed against Ndou. He would have still beaten Branco and Nuzhnenko with Beard. Bob's first full training camp was in prep for the Branco euro title fight (he came in half way through the Khutsishvili preps) so Matthew was at championship level prior to Shannon's involvement and who got him there? Beard. Yet no-one seems to have given him any credit for it.

This said, Bob is one of the best trainers in the country. The amount of champions he's produced is brilliant and he'll keep producing them. But Beard deserves a share of the praise Bob has been getting for Matthew's last two performances.

thanks for that, fella

I cant believe only 1 person has mentioned jimmy tibbs. hes the daddy of them all.

Brian Hughes is class but he is a wee over cautious with his lads i feel. waits a little too long before letting them off the leash.

a lot of coaches nowadays are really just conditioners.

from actually seeing the fights (and not going round gyms) i rate joe gallagher highest. he has done excellent work with john murray when you look at murray's stoppages, vs different styles, in british and EBU title fights - the results are there. john and joe murray were not sent to him already developed, he worked with them from the start and joe murray ended up a world amateur medallist and hatton's biggest prospect. so you have the variety of styles in the murray brothers, pro and ama success, fighters who he cultivated from youth. what i'm saying is he doesn't churn out the same fighter by the conveyer belt. i don't think there's any doubt that macklin did all his best work when trained by joe, winning british and EBU titles in consecutive fights - impressive KOs, both.

i also really like the punching technique of oliver harrison fighters, especially jamie moore and martin murray.

is the thread about the best in the UK, or the best in manchester?

cunfusing.

The thing I like about Brian Hughes' fighters is, they all have defence.

The thing I like about Bob Shannon is, his fighters are always in tip-top nick.

The thing I like about Brendan is, he makes championship fighters out of scraps.

Joe G always talks a lot of sense, and while Murray has stalled up until this past 12 months - dont think that was the trainer's fault.

Robert M always offers really good advice in the corner, is very calm etc.

I remember when the youngster who was working with Clinton was the new dawn...Richard Poxon...offered good, simple advice in the corner....but then got ousted.

The UK has many great trainers, Tibbs is another astonishingly experienced guy.

To my mind...its only the depth of sparring which elevates the American experience everyone always encourages British fighters to sample. It isn't the trainer's know-how.

adidas or puma for me... D

DavidPayne wrote:The thing I like about Brian Hughes' fighters is, they all have defence.

The thing I like about Bob Shannon is, his fighters are always in tip-top nick.

The thing I like about Brendan is, he makes championship fighters out of scraps.

Joe G always talks a lot of sense, and while Murray has stalled up until this past 12 months - dont think that was the trainer's fault.

Robert M always offers really good advice in the corner, is very calm etc.

I remember when the youngster who was working with Clinton was the new dawn...Richard Poxon...offered good, simple advice in the corner....but then got ousted.

The UK has many great trainers, Tibbs is another astonishingly experienced guy.

To my mind...its only the depth of sparring which elevates the American experience everyone always encourages British fighters to sample. It isn't the trainer's know-how.

I had high hopes for that richard poxon. thought he did great lifting clinton b4 the championship rounds in the last johnson fight.

Tibbs is the best trainer the country has produced so far.. His name is automatically linked with class..

Bomber 1 wrote:Tibbs is the best trainer the country has produced so far.. His name is automatically linked with class..

not enzo then DD

Oliver Harrison in my opinion