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That is a disgraceful match-up!! How have the New Zealand board allowed it Funmaker has only had one fight in 5 years and that was against a 50 stone butterbean!!! They should be embarrased 40 bucks a ticket!!!

Do you expect Chauncy to make fun of Harry?

If he's not careful he might kill him!

yid14 wrote:That is a disgraceful match-up!! How have the New Zealand board allowed it Funmaker has only had one fight in 5 years and that was against a 50 stone butterbean!!! They should be embarrased 40 bucks a ticket!!!

8) oh well.....

There will be no problems signing a contract from our end Kirby however the WBO do require a opponent has at leat 10 wins and is comming off a win both of which Funmaker has and you dont. So like I said earlier best of luck in your comeback whenever that maybe if you can string some wins together then get back to us champ.

Tillman will step up as your comeback opponent look forward to hearing from your people shortly

yid14 wrote:Your talking like your Mike Tyson!!! Welliver will beat you!

Have you seen either fight?

yid14 wrote:That is a disgraceful match-up!! How have the New Zealand board allowed it Funmaker has only had one fight in 5 years and that was against a 50 stone butterbean!!! They should be embarrased 40 bucks a ticket!!!

Is fighting a 47 year old with a winning record any worse than Welliver fighting a guy on Debut or any of the other bums he's built his record on. He knows this and has admitted it in the past as well, so why the surprise by all.


Why would Kirby come to NZ is there more money there? $40 bucks a ticket, you can't even stand for that price in a club venue in Australia.

I really am over this crap with come to NZ or come to Australia business, if you want to fight you will, but stop clogging up the boards with I'll fight ya then turning around and saying a regional title or a couple of warm up fights and all that Jazz, it's pretty amatuerish, if i was doing it I'd feel embarressed, If i was a serious promoter here in Australia reading these boards(which most do) i'd keep ignoring you as well.

Have balls boys and follow thru with what you say.....or say nothing at all!

So everybody knows, I am not fighting Harry Funmaker. He is on the card, but not fighting me. He is fighting Alipate Liava'a.
I was to fight Moyoyo Mensah but he wasn't able to make this fight so I am to fight Daniel Tai in a 12 rounder for the WBO Asia Pacific title. I fought Tai twice before but we were unable to find any opponents for this fight. Apparently he has been training hard for an upcoming fight. My original opponent Galen Brown went MIA so we had to find a replacement.
Once again, Funmaker is not my opponent. I wish we had a bigger fight then Tai, but as I said, very tough time finding an opponent on 1 weeks notice. Some guys were asking for 15-20k.

Houndawg, for the record I love guys who'll fight anyone who are willing to step in there to fight just to fight Tillman is one of these guys and we'll fight Kirby in Aussie, NZ or the moon!! I dont care! But there are also instances when fighting for the sake of fighting just doesnt make sense. Its not because the two fighters dont wanna fight or because its in OZ or NZ but simply boxing is a business also and sometimes you have to make smart business decisions. Simple as that. These boards are used for debate I use them to create debate, promote, and inform. Which is why i point out its kinda ironic how a guy like Funmaker fits the "bill" to fight for a WBO Title winning record, more than 10 wins, comming off a win etc and a guy like Kirby doesnt, when really Kirby IMO would be the better fighter as of right now.

It is my humble opinion also that Kirby concentrate on making his comeback and then once that is successful start thinking about bigger and better things I like him, tough, strong and a true fighter!

Hounddawg - You asked if I'd seen them fight? I grew up like most people watching Mike Tyson so yes! Chauncey Welliver I have been to see a couple of times in Auckland, and I've seen some of Micheal Kirby fights on youtube etc. Hownddawg it's a forum people are not going to agree with you all the time! Sometimes you think Judge and Jury!

Yid 14 - I never mean't to confuse you, I was asking if you'd seen Kirby or Welliver fight, opinions are great and are welcome and I'm sure i've said that a thousand times before on these boards, but i don't watch youtube videos(poor quality) and say I've seen a boxer fight, now i could be wrong but you always seem to be in these discussions of late between NZ and Aus boxers making predictions or statements based on flash tube footage or having never seen a boxer fight before. That entitles me to my opinion and to ask the question.....have you seen these boxers fight.


Judge and Jury, i'm not the 1 saying this is a clean decision for Welliver.
Thanks for the breakdown on how a forum works... free speech and shitt, but if i have to read 1 more time that these fighters are coming here or going there for another 2 and half years and watch tomato can after tomato enter the ring and have another call out that falls flat once the challenge gets accepted, i'll go mad....most just ignore, but i've been all for these fights for years, I've even thrown in a bit of burly to stir up the sharks, but it never comes thru, it won't ever happen, some fighters, some promoters just have no idea.

N2 Shape - thats all you ever say "it's a business" your like a broken record, i should of tipped in Boxrec betting syndicate, that you'd come on here and try and explain to a bloke who actually owned a real business for years, i would have cleaned up.

Mate has any of your callouts ever came thru......Sometimes see your name as a match maker never as a promoter Craig, you still promoting?

I'm over in England at the moment but am stopping in Oz in November (to watch England regain the ashes) on my way back to New Zealand and hopefully I will get to see some Heavyweight boxing in Brisbane (Although alot of the aussie heavyweights - apart from leapai are very in-active!) I just feel that at Heavy,cruiser and light.heavy the kiwis have better boxers than Oz at the moment! And I don't know whether Chauncy beating Micheal Kirby would be a clear decision - I guess that depends on where and if it's fought!

yid14 wrote:I'm over in England at the moment but am stopping in Oz in November (to watch England regain the ashes) on my way back to New Zealand and hopefully I will get to see some Heavyweight boxing in Brisbane (Although alot of the aussie heavyweights - apart from leapai are very in-active!) I just feel that at Heavy,cruiser and light.heavy the kiwis have better boxers than Oz at the moment! And I don't know whether Chauncy beating Micheal Kirby would be a clear decision - I guess that depends on where and if it's fought!

We disagree on the Heavys, Cruisers and LT Heavys, if you were to put your best fighter forward for each Division who would it be.
I'm assuming you going to name Tua although Somoan and proud Somoan as your Heavy he does call NZ home. Kali would be our more known Heavy,but at this point in time Alex Leapai would be probably our most tested heavy. I see Tua on expierence but that could change in a year or 2.
Who's your Cruisers????? Umm Danny Green to beat all Your Cruisers in 1 night in less then 6 full rounds.Our depth at cruiser is pretty deep for this region. You've got Cameron coming thru but i see him and Danny going 2 rounds and Danny knows that.

Lt Heavy Powencby is untested and Mckinnon has walked away with a win or 2 over a ozzie but has lost and been belted in all his 5 loss's by Australians, We've got Tim Bell who's lost recently in a shock upset, but i like the new breed with Foley, Mc Conville and Caperello, having seen McKinnon fight several times those fighters I've mentioned above would do what ever they want against Mckinnon all night long.

At heavy - David Tua would beat every Australian Heavy. - I think it's funny you say that David is clearly Samoan when Alex Leapai is a samoan who lived in New Zealand and then moved to Australia! Kali Meehan is 40 and was born in Fiji (I remember seeing Danny Williams blast out Meehan in seconds years ago!) Solomon Haumono was born in New Zealand! Justin Whithead is nearly 40 and Colin Wilson (born in New Zealand)- well only Colins mum knows how old he is!!! - Maybe you should have mentioned Joe Bugner, although he was born in Hungary!!!
as for Cruisers Shane Cameron is too powerful for all of them!!!
Danny Green is clearly over fighting anybody who would actually throw a punch back and has been for alongtime!
I'd like to see Pownsby step up aswell but he's already beaten Joel Casey, Don't really know much about McConville but he has had only 10 fights and has only won 6 of them!

yid14 wrote:(I remember seeing Danny Williams blast out Meehan in seconds years ago!)

I remember David knocking out Kali when everyone was tipping Kali to KO David. 6 seconds I think but I still got respect for Kali, kind've grown to like him through the years.

I think Danny's boxing skills is too good for Shane but I'd love to see them fight.

Was that in the amateurs then? (tua knocking out Meehan)

Houndawg, firstly I say professional boxing is a business because it is anyone who says otherwise is clearly misinformed. Just like any other professional sport, soccerm league, union, you name it they are all businesses first now. End of story and i'll try in future not to mention it as a "business" to assist in keeping your blood pressure down my friend.

For your information also my last promotion was July 23rd in Auckland Clarence Tillman and Jameson Bostic both fought, my next promotion is October 23rd also in Auckland

And like you i wish some of these matchups come to fruition, some have been talked about for a while agreed. Lets also not forget some of the biggest fights in history were talked about for years before they came off, look at Mayweather/Pacman as a current example..........of course not suggesting these fights are in the same catergory but all the same.

In ref to the OZ/NZ thing im kinda sick of that but yid basically summed it up in terms of your aussie heavyweights at least.

Let us no what promotions and which fighters your working with Houndawg

yid14 wrote:Was that in the amateurs then? (tua knocking out Meehan)

Yeah NZ golden gloves heavyweight finals. Cant remember the year..

Houndawg,Having just returned to NZ after spending 16yrs on the Goldcoast ,N2 sharp promotes quite well i must say.The boxing cards in NZ may not be up to a high standard but niether is it in OZ.Getting bums on seats is a business N2 sharp does very well in Auckland.The debate between who has the better fighters in NZ and Oz has been going on for yrs and will keep going for yrs.I couldnt care less who has the better fighters,about time both countries stopped the bull shit and let there fists do the talking instead of there mouths after all it is a business where money is to be made..

yid14 wrote:I'm over in England at the moment but am stopping in Oz in November (to watch England regain the ashes) on my way back to New Zealand and hopefully I will get to see some Heavyweight boxing in Brisbane (Although alot of the aussie heavyweights - apart from leapai are very in-active!) I just feel that at Heavy,cruiser and light.heavy the kiwis have better boxers than Oz at the moment! And I don't know whether Chauncy beating Micheal Kirby would be a clear decision - I guess that depends on where and if it's fought!

Has Shane Cameron made 200 pounds for a fight yet? The top cruiserweight in New Zealand is Mohammed Azzoui.

I don't think there is a debate who's better between NZ and OZ boxers, it's a landslide and I mean that with respect, NZ have something to talk about now with Tua, but he ain't going to win a world title( I thought after Cameron's performance he would), Cameron and Danny wouldn't go 2 rounds, you must be crazy Yid 14 to think otherwise, although i love the passion, but thats what it is passion for the NZ scene and i respect that.

N2 I've told you in the past I know some fighters, I don't promote and i don't match make, but i don't come on here pick a fight, say people are dodging my fighters and then when a challenge is accepted become extremely difficult to deal with, you've in the past built this reputation... not me.

Great to see you have some support now N2

i,m a little confused, i have not seen either fighter, but are they still fighting prelims, as neither appears to have gone over 6,i just hope this doesn,t become the norm, 6 rounders heading the bill.all the best

Houndawg, im miffed at this "extremely difficult to deal with" accusation?? Also can you name me the fights whereby the challenge has been accepted and i was "extremely hard to deal with" please? Because really the ONLY fight we had OFFICIALLY accepted was the Tillman VS Szigeti fight but then Szigetis people pulled out that fight if you recall was listed on Boxrec and Szigeti went and fought some guy whod been inactive for 7 years or so..........the Kirby fights no Official word accepting these fights or dates, venues, purses, rounds etc have been accepted from either camp other than Kirby himself saying he'll do it, I have not personally heard from his camp ONCE and I dont have a problem with that, until im accused of being Extremely difficult to work with by someone whos not in the no! I left my number on this forum for McConvilles people to contact me and heard nothing, once again no issues i didnt expect my phone to be ringing off the hook. We have requested to fight Joel Casey also and heard nothing back. Once again so be it if people want the fights they'll get in touch!

So anyway point made, and in my opinion im one of the easier guys to deal with laidback and casual i dont have hang ups if anyone begs to differ please feel free to comment!!

In regards to NZ/OZ boxing who cares whos got the better fighters lets just hope we can see the top guys fighting each other more!!!

N2 Shape wrote:Houndawg, im miffed at this "extremely difficult to deal with" accusation?? Also can you name me the fights whereby the challenge has been accepted and i was "extremely hard to deal with" please? Because really the ONLY fight we had OFFICIALLY accepted was the Tillman VS Szigeti fight but then Szigetis people pulled out that fight if you recall was listed on Boxrec and Szigeti went and fought some guy whod been inactive for 7 years or so..........the Kirby fights no Official word accepting these fights or dates, venues, purses, rounds etc have been accepted from either camp other than Kirby himself saying he'll do it, I have not personally heard from his camp ONCE and I dont have a problem with that, until im accused of being Extremely difficult to work with by someone whos not in the no! I left my number on this forum for McConvilles people to contact me and heard nothing, once again no issues i didnt expect my phone to be ringing off the hook. We have requested to fight Joel Casey also and heard nothing back. Once again so be it if people want the fights they'll get in touch!

So anyway point made, and in my opinion im one of the easier guys to deal with laidback and casual i dont have hang ups if anyone begs to differ please feel free to comment!!

In regards to NZ/OZ boxing who cares whos got the better fighters lets just hope we can see the top guys fighting each other more!!!

My bad, I'll try and refrain from your posts, i'm sure i'm getting it all wrong with what I'm reading and hearing, my appoligies but who said i wasn't in know, i just said i wasn't a promoter/match maker....it's crystal clear that someones not in the know!

patron wrote:i,m a little confused, i have not seen either fighter, but are they still fighting prelims, as neither appears to have gone over 6,i just hope this doesn,t become the norm, 6 rounders heading the bill.all the best

You and I were both active at a time when any title fight went for 15 rounds. A State Title now is an eight rounder, an Australian title is ten rounds and a World or Commonwealth title is 12 rounds. That is the way they want it.