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theory wrote:My vote goes to Pipino Cuevas. I've never really heard anyone praise his punching power. .

Ay!! Ive heard him mentioned as a bonebreaker countless times!!

Expug wrote: Wilfred Benitez is a guy who was underated as a puncher.
Just ask Maurice Hope.

good shout, benitez was a particularly under-rated bodypuncher, watched him hammering the crap out of Duran to the body last night and he absolutely tattooed Hope downstairs.

May be Carlos Zarate

Counter-puncher wrote:

Expug wrote: Wilfred Benitez is a guy who was underated as a puncher.
Just ask Maurice Hope.

good shout, benitez was a particularly under-rated bodypuncher, watched him hammering the crap out of Duran to the body last night and he absolutely tattooed Hope downstairs.

In the early eighties,probably 82-83 maybe,Benitez and Carlos Deleon came into the gym I trained at.
It was called The U.S Arena.It was at Division and Damen here in Chicago and had alot of Puerto Rican fighters training there as it was in a Puerto Rican section of town. I dont remember why those two were in town,but they came in and worked out.Benitez and Deleon sparred and Wilfreds shots when they landed were like a grenade going off.He hung tough with the much larger Deleon. They werent going full blast but regardless...

Joe Alexander

Maybe Rudolfo "El Gato" Gonzalez - 82 (KO 71) + lost 7 (KO 5) + drawn 1

He was certainly the most underrated body puncher of all time - over half of his kayos came from body shots. He had a vicious liver punch.

I love how a thread about puncher's turns into another Whitaker love-fest. Maybe we should just put Pernell into a time machine with prime Larry Holmes so we can have the ultimate "underappreciated" matchup between two guys who are so overrated by Boxing nerds it makes me want to puke. Thank God Winky Wright didn't beat Taylor and Hopkins when they fought or I'd never hear the end of people praising him either.

DW, I take it your prefer a fighter who leads with his face.

BoxBuzz wrote:DW, I take it your prefer a fighter who leads with his face.

Who knows, but it's a stiff shot of irony that he complains about a Whitaker love fest when he turns every thread into a Whitaker bashing session.

Someone on earth has to think Whitaker is overrated, wrong as he is.

Somebody give me the rundown on Pat Barrett.
I looked up his record and hes got a bunch of kos,but Im not seeing any big time stuff.
He went the distance with Dwayne Swift who I remember from my time.I think we fought on a couple am cards at the same time.
I could be wrong. Anyway Dwayne dropped a dec to Reggie Strickland.
He took out Tony Willis,that looks like his best kayo. I remember Tony also hes from these parts also.Thats a nice win.
Anyway,Im not saying hes not a big puncher. Somebody give me some details please.

BoxBuzz wrote:DW, I take it your prefer a fighter who leads with his face.

No, I just think Pernell gets too much credit for clowning around like a jackass and making opponents look "Foolish" when they're still making contact with him and not getting credit because he feigns like they missed then dances around and does other retarded shit. People say he was robbed way too much. The fights with Chavez and Ramirez were closer than people like to believe and since they all had chips on their shoulder over those "robberies" they decided to cry wolf with the De La Hoya fight which Oscar clearly won based on Pernell not doing enough in enough rounds because he was too busy backpeddling and avoiding the left hook at all costs, including victory. I'm honestly surprised people don't call his fights with Nelson and Paez robberies to and start insisting that he won every round against both with at least two 10-8 rounds considering how much people like to bow down to the guy.

Diamond WEAPON wrote:I love how a thread about puncher's turns into another Whitaker love-fest. Maybe we should just put Pernell into a time machine with prime Larry Holmes so we can have the ultimate "underappreciated" matchup between two guys who are so overrated by Boxing nerds it makes me want to puke. Thank God Winky Wright didn't beat Taylor and Hopkins when they fought or I'd never hear the end of people praising him either.

Well, he is the greatest fighter, pound-for-pound, ever to lace em up

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

Diamond WEAPON wrote:I love how a thread about puncher's turns into another Whitaker love-fest. Maybe we should just put Pernell into a time machine with prime Larry Holmes so we can have the ultimate "underappreciated" matchup between two guys who are so overrated by Boxing nerds it makes me want to puke. Thank God Winky Wright didn't beat Taylor and Hopkins when they fought or I'd never hear the end of people praising him either.

Well, he is the greatest fighter, pound-for-pound, ever to lace em up

I don't see why he retired. It must be those boxing Mafia guys that one of the current scene posters (can't remember which one) keeps harping on that did it. They probably tried to hold him over a balcony Suge Knight style after he dodged all of their machine gun bullets.

Expug wrote:Somebody give me the rundown on Pat Barrett.
I looked up his record and hes got a bunch of kos,but Im not seeing any big time stuff.
He went the distance with Dwayne Swift who I remember from my time.I think we fought on a couple am cards at the same time.
I could be wrong. Anyway Dwayne dropped a dec to Reggie Strickland.
He took out Tony Willis,that looks like his best kayo. I remember Tony also hes from these parts also.Thats a nice win.
Anyway,Im not saying hes not a big puncher. Somebody give me some details please.

He's the kind of guy whose record on paper doesn't do him any justice in the ring, at least in regards to his punching power. Hardly a world beater, as a lack of dedication and self-belief staved him from that path, but a murderous puncher with awesome physical talent. There's a good bit of footage of him on Youtube, actually, albeit some of it being in less than stellar quality. What was stellar was the quality of his KO's, though. He knocked 'em dead like Bob Foster used to. One shot to the jaw and it was lights out. Scary stuff.

Diamond WEAPON wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:DW, I take it your prefer a fighter who leads with his face.

No, I just think Pernell gets too much credit for clowning around like a jackass and making opponents look "Foolish" when they're still making contact with him and not getting credit because he feigns like they missed then dances around and does other retarded poop. People say he was robbed way too much. The fights with Chavez and Ramirez were closer than people like to believe and since they all had chips on their shoulder over those "robberies" they decided to cry wolf with the De La Hoya fight which Oscar clearly won based on Pernell not doing enough in enough rounds because he was too busy backpeddling and avoiding the left hook at all costs, including victory. I'm honestly surprised people don't call his fights with Nelson and Paez robberies to and start insisting that he won every round against both with at least two 10-8 rounds considering how much people like to bow down to the guy.

You need some new material, these jokes are stale and weren't funny to begin with. Although the one about Oscar doing more than Whitaker and clearly winning is a knee slapper. Sadly, that's something you're serious about.

I'd love to hear 4 rounds that Ramirez won. You will have to manufacture 2 or 3 of them, but it would definitely be funnier than your typical and daily rant.

Expug wrote:Somebody give me the rundown on Pat Barrett.
I looked up his record and hes got a bunch of kos,but Im not seeing any big time stuff.
He went the distance with Dwayne Swift who I remember from my time.I think we fought on a couple am cards at the same time.
I could be wrong. Anyway Dwayne dropped a dec to Reggie Strickland.
He took out Tony Willis,that looks like his best kayo. I remember Tony also hes from these parts also.Thats a nice win.
Anyway,Im not saying hes not a big puncher. Somebody give me some details please.

That is a different Tony Willis, expug.

Barrett could dig and some of the KO's, including the one over Willis, were spectacular one punch, out before they hit the floor finishes.

He got well outboxed against the very average Manning Galloway though and lost his way after that.

In fact, I think he ended up in prison for a while.

He was an exciting banger on the Brit scene for a while though and I guess a few of us remember some of those nights when The Black Flash was on form.

barrett was one of those naturally explosive guys expug, had a lot of what that MMA trainer guy would call fast twitch fibers.
he fought pretty square-on, i think because his left hook was devastating, and he got a lot of leverage through the hips and shoulders on his shots
in a european p4p chart of the time i'm pretty sure he'd have been a top 3 puncher. and like the other guys have said it wasn't just the KO's, it was the manner of them and the fact that guys fell to the floor looking like they'd been shot.

Expug

Terry Dooley, who posts here, knows Pat and knows a lot about his life. It’s very fascinating. I pitch a script treatment to a film-maker in the UK because I think his story is so good. Unfortunately I think the large media bias towards London prevented the project from going any further. Even so, Terry can tell you naything you need to know.

Ensley Bingham could drop a monster left hook in.

good shout simon

crawford ashley's overhand right?

I remember some insane Gary delaney knock outs

Thanks for the info on Barrett guys.

Young Stribling is an older fighter who doesn't get much love.

Of course, the definitive answer is Aurelio Herrera. When the topic of the hardest hitters in Featherweight history is brought up, the usual suspects (Hamed, Lopez, Arguello, Saddler, etc.) always take the spotlight away. Fact is, Herrera likely hit harder than all of them. He was still being lauded as the hardest pound for pound puncher of all time by many ring historians even after the careers of such men as Jimmy Wilde, Barbados Joe Walcott, Sam Langford, Bob Fitzsimmons, etc.

King Carlos wrote:Of course, the definitive answer is Aurelio Herrera. When the topic of the hardest hitters in Featherweight history is brought up, the usual suspects (Hamed, Lopez, Arguello, Saddler, etc.) always take the spotlight away. Fact is, Herrera likely hit harder than all of them. He was still being lauded as the hardest pound for pound puncher of all time by many ring historians even after the careers of such men as Jimmy Wilde, Barbados Joe Walcott, Sam Langford, Bob Fitzsimmons, etc.

Which ring historians have lauded Herrera as the hardest pound for pound puncher of all time?