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The undercard would need good to 30000 to 40000 though?

leforge wrote:The undercard would need good to 30000 to 40000 though?

Nah the haye ruiz undercard was rubbish and he still sold out the men - but chuck in a few names along the lines of warmachine, chisora, fury, groves, something like that and you've got a massive night - look how well mitchell v katsidis did at westham.

SteveDow wrote:

Jesus wrote:

SteveDow wrote:It's a shame this is being held in Manchester as while I think the atmosphere at the MEN is great these are two London fighters and a venue in London would have been excellent. I believe the O2 Arena is unavailable on the 13th November and I guess an outdoor arena couldn't be used with the weather and the football season being on.

Anyone planning to go to the fight? I may go with a couple of mates.

is it certain to be held in manchester? if it was at the 02 arena i would go....but im not travelling up north just to see audley get the sheeeet beat out of him!!!

I think it's almost certain yes. I know that the O2 is not available and I can't think of another indoor arena in London which would have the capacity to hold it. Living in London this is a bit annoying but could be a good lads trip.

This fight will not be held in Manchester. That would be a terrible decision commercially. This is a London fight between two Londoners. It should be held at Wembley Arena. If it is in Manchester, I and my mates would not bother schlepping all the way up there, when we can watch it on tv. If the fight is staged in London, as it should be, I will buy a ticket.

kingfinn wrote:

leforge wrote:The undercard would need good to 30000 to 40000 though?

Nah the haye ruiz undercard was rubbish and he still sold out the men - but chuck in a few names along the lines of warmachine, chisora, fury, groves, something like that and you've got a massive night - look how well mitchell v katsidis did at westham.

bet he puts on a rubbish undercard so that the headliners get even more money.

MachoMan09 wrote:Haye vs Valuev did 800,000 PPV worldwide? That surprises me. I didn't think it would be that many.

I'm just going on the figures quoted at the time as below. The Guardian (and other sources as I recall) reckon there were between 900,00 and 1m buys. I don't think it's that unbelievable when you consider the excellent UK promotion of the fight by Haye and the fact that Hatton-PBF did 1.1m buys

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/no ... matic-haye

McCannW14 wrote:

SteveDow wrote:

Jesus wrote: is it certain to be held in manchester? if it was at the 02 arena i would go....but im not travelling up north just to see audley get the sheeeet beat out of him!!!

I think it's almost certain yes. I know that the O2 is not available and I can't think of another indoor arena in London which would have the capacity to hold it. Living in London this is a bit annoying but could be a good lads trip.

This fight will not be held in Manchester. That would be a terrible decision commercially. This is a London fight between two Londoners. It should be held at Wembley Arena. If it is in Manchester, I and my mates would not bother schlepping all the way up there, when we can watch it on tv. If the fight is staged in London, as it should be, I will buy a ticket.

Thing is mate - it will be a 22,000 sell out at the MEN so it makes more sense than a 12,000 sell out at Wembley arena. The O2 is booked already for the 13th - unless the fight is staged on a different date.

McCannW14 wrote:

SteveDow wrote:

Jesus wrote: is it certain to be held in manchester? if it was at the 02 arena i would go....but im not travelling up north just to see audley get the sheeeet beat out of him!!!

I think it's almost certain yes. I know that the O2 is not available and I can't think of another indoor arena in London which would have the capacity to hold it. Living in London this is a bit annoying but could be a good lads trip.

This fight will not be held in Manchester. That would be a terrible decision commercially. This is a London fight between two Londoners. It should be held at Wembley Arena. If it is in Manchester, I and my mates would not bother schlepping all the way up there, when we can watch it on tv. If the fight is staged in London, as it should be, I will buy a ticket.

You say it will not be held in Manchester but all of the pre-fight reports have mentioned the MEN as the venue. Wembley Arena is way too small for a fight of this size and given that the O2 Arena is unavailable that day I can't see where else in London they could hold it. I too am disappointed that it will be in Manchester but will probably still go.

MachoMan09 wrote:

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:

Deserter wrote: I have no idea to be frank, but returning to my original point, it's also worth noting that the key phrase in one of the newspaper reports you referenced was "may have" - hardly categorical proof.

The day after the fight, the word was that it had done huge, unexpected numbers having really caught the imagination of the British public in fight week. Sky apparently had to draft in extra staff after being caught on the hop.

Hatton sold 1.1 million for his Mayweather fight at daft o'clock so a charismatic, good looking Brit going abroad to fight a 7ft freak for 'the heavyweight championship of the world' at a decent hour could have sold 800k.

The thing is, Ian, I don't believe that 1 in 20 households bought the Hatton PPV (in the UK) either. Think about that number, it is huge. It defies all reasoned logic to me and is almost certainly misinformation and/or number manipulation by the broadcasters, in my opinion.

Sky very rarely release any figures - but this was their info. One doesn't need to have Sky to buy the PPV, and, as far as I can remember, in the run up to it every man and his dog was talking about it and the general media coverage was huge. I know what you mean though - it's a huge number.

kingfinn wrote:

leforge wrote:The undercard would need good to 30000 to 40000 though?

Nah the haye ruiz undercard was rubbish and he still sold out the men - but chuck in a few names along the lines of warmachine, chisora, fury, groves, something like that and you've got a massive night - look how well mitchell v katsidis did at westham.

You can't really chuck those names in though as they are all with different promoters.

If this is a Matchroom - Hayemaker bill expect Groves to be on with an undercard made up of Hearn's fighters.

MachoMan09 wrote:This is a BIG fight commercially. I don't know exactly how big but it is BIG. There hasn't been a domestic heavyweight encounter between two guys who more than 20% of the 18-60 demographic have heard of since Lennox and Franklyn boxed each other. With hype, it will sell.

This fight will make £Millions.

IF Harrison comes out and uses his reach and punches on the way in he has a great chance against a HAYE that imo is not active enough.

I know AH is not active either but itall evens it up, imo.

Could turnover 10 Million as much as I hate to say it. Crap match as a real fight maybe, but it will sell due to public interest. And as much as I hate to say it, If Audley comes good and gets lucky on the right night and it all comes together at the right time, he could throw one and get lucky. Please God no as it will sap the last little bit of kudos from what used to be known the greatest prize in Sport but it could happen.

jizzle wrote:So Barry's little boy reckons that the fight which is due to be signed is worth a whopping £10 million...

Either Haye/Booth/Hearn/Harrison/Mini-Me are absolutely riding SKY/HBO like £30 hooker or I am seriously underestimating how much fights in today's sport go for!

Does £10 million sound right to you lot?

In terms of what the fight actually generates his figures are off as i'd say it generates nearly double that at £18 million

Make no mistake this fight would generate 1 million PPV's on Sky Box office as Haye has already proved his PPV credentials with Valuev(800k ppv sold) and Ruiz(500k sold) so if you factor into that a British household name like Audley Harrison who has a high public profile and can talk smack(bang on about Haye being a 'False Prophet') and sell a fight then 1 million is more then doable especially when the British tabloid press would get on board in a big way as both Harrison and Haye would make great cover and be full of usable quotes and also bring people like Bruno back to talk about it.

PPV SALES: 1 million = £15 milllion
M.E.N Gate receipts would be 20,000 at an average of about £60 = £1,200,000
Radio 5live plus Foreign tv rights(especially Australia) = roughly around £1.5 million
Sponsorship and merchandise = roughly around £300,000

Total = £18 million

of that Haye would make around £4.5 million and Audley around £850,000

I doubt i'd be off by more then 1 million either way so really this fight makes total sense financially and outside of the Klitschko brothers is the only fight to make economically and marketing wise.

I'm actually all for the fight as it'd be great for British boxing and give it the much needed coverage in sports pages and television. Also i'd actually fancy Audley's chances quite a lot too so LETS GET IT ON :)

MachoMan09 wrote:
I'm not going to out and out accuse Sky of bullshitting but I would have to look at their stats to be even close to convinced. 1.1 million worldwide, I would believe. The fight did 850,000 buys in the US (according to HBO). The US population is over six times that of the UK. PPV has been a part of their sporting culture for much longer than it has here. Despite what SKY may have stated there is no way 250,000 more people bought Hatton vs Mayweather in the UK than they did in the US. No way.

HBO's all time boxing PPV record is 2.4 million buys for Mayweather vs de La Hoya. This figure includes all the international PPV buys from broadcasters (e.g. SKY) who have bought rights to show the fight outside of the US.

I concede that PPVs are more expensive in the US but I maintain my viewpoint nonetheless.

Also, for a bit of additional perspective, Sky Sports 1's Super Sunday football gets about 1.5 million UK viewers. The Charity Shield got 1.1 million. Neither are PPV, neither are on at oh eff hundred hours, and both are football - far more popular than boxing.

difficult to argue with that logic

its not really a fight is it? shows you how boxing fans have been starved of proper fights over the past 10-15 years that there seems to be excitement over this mis match...if you think fraudley can pull this one off, think again...

bad mamma jamma wrote:its not really a fight is it? shows you how boxing fans have been starved of proper fights over the past 10-15 years that there seems to be excitement over this mis match...if you think fraudley can pull this one off, think again...

ITS EASILY EQUAL TO ANY KLITSCHKO FIGHT OF THE LAST FEW YEARS.

If AH lands one good left hand......

MachoMan09 wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:

MachoMan09 wrote:
I'm not going to out and out accuse Sky of bullshitting but I would have to look at their stats to be even close to convinced. 1.1 million worldwide, I would believe. The fight did 850,000 buys in the US (according to HBO). The US population is over six times that of the UK. PPV has been a part of their sporting culture for much longer than it has here. Despite what SKY may have stated there is no way 250,000 more people bought Hatton vs Mayweather in the UK than they did in the US. No way.

HBO's all time boxing PPV record is 2.4 million buys for Mayweather vs de La Hoya. This figure includes all the international PPV buys from broadcasters (e.g. SKY) who have bought rights to show the fight outside of the US.

I concede that PPVs are more expensive in the US but I maintain my viewpoint nonetheless.

Also, for a bit of additional perspective, Sky Sports 1's Super Sunday football gets about 1.5 million UK viewers. The Charity Shield got 1.1 million. Neither are PPV, neither are on at oh eff hundred hours, and both are football - far more popular than boxing.

difficult to argue with that logic

I know. D

And the 1.5 million viewers that watch Super Sunday are watching 600-700K TV sets, not 1.5 million. So, in reality, these people stating - and it's not their fault that the papers re-publish bullshit stats - that Haye vs Valuev did 800,000 PPVs in the UK alone etc... are miles off the money. More TV set owners subscribed to a boxing PPV than watch Sky Sports 1's most popular football show? Come off it.

don't let it go to your head

it amuses me somewhat, that if figured were given by a certain newspaper, they wouldn't be believed, but if they come from a tv media platform with not dissimilar ownership....

So Haye's more or less come out today and said the fight will happen? WTF...he's either a genius in marketing or just taking the piss.

He's got everyone talking about a fight that no-one really wants to see and some people are actually saying Audley has a chance of winning...he's got everyone else doing his marketing for him, before he's even signed for the fight.

Yeah I wouldn't believe any of the newspaper PPV figures - the fact that Sky keep them under wraps mean they can't be that great, I'd imagine.

It's a rubbish fight - Haye calls himself champ but is yet to beat a good heavyweight, and Aud doesn't deserve a shot, but hate to admit it will generate excitement as it nears - then probably end in one or two rounds, by the first decent punch that EITHER of them land.
Let's just pray it's DH that lands first, otherwise the sport of boxing will never live it down.

exittored wrote:

jizzle wrote:So Barry's little boy reckons that the fight which is due to be signed is worth a whopping £10 million...

Either Haye/Booth/Hearn/Harrison/Mini-Me are absolutely riding SKY/HBO like £30 hooker or I am seriously underestimating how much fights in today's sport go for!

Does £10 million sound right to you lot?

In terms of what the fight actually generates his figures are off as i'd say it generates nearly double that at £18 million

Make no mistake this fight would generate 1 million PPV's on Sky Box office as Haye has already proved his PPV credentials with Valuev(800k ppv sold) and Ruiz(500k sold) so if you factor into that a British household name like Audley Harrison who has a high public profile and can talk smack(bang on about Haye being a 'False Prophet') and sell a fight then 1 million is more then doable especially when the British tabloid press would get on board in a big way as both Harrison and Haye would make great cover and be full of usable quotes and also bring people like Bruno back to talk about it.

PPV SALES: 1 million = £15 milllion
M.E.N Gate receipts would be 20,000 at an average of about £60 = £1,200,000
Radio 5live plus Foreign tv rights(especially Australia) = roughly around £1.5 million
Sponsorship and merchandise = roughly around £300,000

Total = £18 million

of that Haye would make around £4.5 million and Audley around £850,000

I doubt i'd be off by more then 1 million either way so really this fight makes total sense financially and outside of the Klitschko brothers is the only fight to make economically and marketing wise.

I'm actually all for the fight as it'd be great for British boxing and give it the much needed coverage in sports pages and television. Also i'd actually fancy Audley's chances quite a lot too so LETS GET IT ON :)

Hahhahaha, I actually think your 'final' figures probably won't be massively out, but the 1m PPV buys is laughable would say myself that Haye might get more like £3m and Audley £500k when it all comes down to it. I agree with others, that although this fight isn't exactly great, it's pretty much the equivalent of what the Klits have done for the last several years.

To the general UK public, Audley still holds some strange fascination and still hlds some 'fame' compared to a more worthy opponent like say Chagaev. I must admit I did give a cheer though when Haye pulled off the Sprott KO, something deep within me still likes him for being a bit deluded and feel slighlty sorry for him!

Do people understand that Sky Television is a Public company with shareholders and therefore any dishonesty regarding PPV figures thereby inflating value on the stockmarket especially if they came from any of the associated holdings of the biggest shareholder(News Corporation) would result in criminal proceedings.

Haye vs Valuev did do 800,000

Haye vs Ruiz did 500,000

if people continue to say different then post me your name and address and i'll gladly send round the Fraud squad to your house but if they are not willing to do this then STFU.

exittored wrote:Do people understand thats Sky Television is a Public company with shareholders and therefore any dishonesty regarding PPV figures thereby inflating value on the stockmarket especially if they came from any of the associated holdings of the biggest shareholder(News Corporation) would result in criminal proceedings.

Haye vs Valuev did do 800,000

Haye vs Ruiz did 500,000

if people continue to say different then post me your name and address and i'll gladly send round the Fraud squad to your house but if they are not willing to do this then STFU.

Work for Sky do you ?

And if the papers say "rumoured" to have made,which they probably do, is that fraud too ?

Although i think this fight is a joke fight i will definitly watch it just because fraudley has bombs when he wants to use them.

After this haye surely cant hide from the brothers any longer, if he does then im done with the heavyweights.

MachoMan09 wrote:

exittored wrote:Do people understand that Sky Television is a Public company with shareholders and therefore any dishonesty regarding PPV figures thereby inflating value on the stockmarket especially if they came from any of the associated holdings of the biggest shareholder(News Corporation) would result in criminal proceedings.

Haye vs Valuev did do 800,000

Haye vs Ruiz did 500,000

if people continue to say different then post me your name and address and i'll gladly send round the Fraud squad to your house but if they are not willing to do this then STFU.

800,000 individual PPV buys in the UK? I maintain that I do not believe that figure for a second.

Show me your source that shows Sky stating that (UK) figure as fact or you STFU.

Fraud squad

Those figures sound about right, i dont know about the ruiz fight but the valuev fight was widely heralded as excessing 600,000 buys - think how many pubs and bars bought the fight in for a start, you also have to bare in mind the uk is the land of professional supporters and sports mad people.

According to the telegraph (for the valuev fight) 8.4 million viewers on german free to air tv (45% of the people viewing tv that night in deutchland) and also reported upto 800,000 ppv buys in the uk and BBC news reported that sky had to hire in additional staff to cope with the ppv orders.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/others ... -Ruiz.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8348922.stm

MachoMan09 wrote:
I'm not going to out and out accuse Sky of bullshitting but I would have to look at their stats to be even close to convinced. 1.1 million worldwide, I would believe. The fight did 850,000 buys in the US (according to HBO). The US population is over six times that of the UK. PPV has been a part of their sporting culture for much longer than it has here. Despite what SKY may have stated there is no way 250,000 more people bought Hatton vs Mayweather in the UK than they did in the US. No way.

HBO's all time boxing PPV record is 2.4 million buys for Mayweather vs de La Hoya. This figure includes all the international PPV buys from broadcasters (e.g. SKY) who have bought rights to show the fight outside of the US.

I concede that PPVs are more expensive in the US but I maintain my viewpoint nonetheless.

Also, for a bit of additional perspective, Sky Sports 1's Super Sunday football gets about 1.5 million UK viewers. The Charity Shield got 1.1 million. Neither are PPV, neither are on at oh eff hundred hours, and both are football - far more popular than boxing.

Excellent support and reasoning there...very, very interesting.

I think Hatton-Mayweather may have done those figures.It was massive,virtually all my mates bought it and they dont even follow boxing.Whilst America is obviously huge,they dont have national heroes as such due to its size.Pavlik is regarded as a massively supported boxer because he takes a few thousand to Atlantic City.Hatton took 20,000 to Vegas.